Birth Certificate

Slightly off topic maybe, but I need to show this in order to complete a
business transaction.
I don't have it. Anyone know offhand how I can get a copy (or the
original?)?

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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

> Slightly off topic maybe, but I need to show this in order to complete a
> business transaction.
> I don't have it. Anyone know offhand how I can get a copy (or the
> original?)?

You get it from the Registrar of Births, Deaths, and Marriages where
your birth was reported. A fee will be charged.

All such "certificates" are extracts from the register, i.e. are
necessarily copies of the original entry. Accordingly there really is no
such thing as "the original certificate" unless you want to give that name
to the very first certificate which was issued to the person reporting the
birth. But any certificate subsequently issued is equivalent in every way.

So the distinction between "original" and "copy" is vacuous, unless you're
talking about photocopies.

Remember: Possession of a birth certificate proves very little, since
(AIUI) anybody can obtain anyone's. In particular it proves only that the
identity exists, not that it is yours.

Question: Why do you need one for a business transaction?

Ronald Raygun wrote:
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
>> Slightly off topic maybe, but I need to show this in order to complete a
>> business transaction.
>> I don't have it. Anyone know offhand how I can get a copy (or the
>> original?)?
>
> You get it from the Registrar of Births, Deaths, and Marriages where
> your birth was reported. A fee will be charged.
>
> All such "certificates" are extracts from the register, i.e. are
> necessarily copies of the original entry. Accordingly there really is no
> such thing as "the original certificate" unless you want to give that name
> to the very first certificate which was issued to the person reporting the
> birth. But any certificate subsequently issued is equivalent in every way.
>
> So the distinction between "original" and "copy" is vacuous, unless you're
> talking about photocopies.
>
> Remember: Possession of a birth certificate proves very little, since
> (AIUI) anybody can obtain anyone's. In particular it proves only that the
> identity exists, not that it is yours.
>
> Question: Why do you need one for a business transaction?

Don't know.
Scottish Widows insists, however.

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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

> Ronald Raygun wrote:
>>
>> Question: Why do you need one for a business transaction?
>
> Don't know.
> Scottish Widows insists, however.

Then they are fools. It seems likely that they need to verify your
identity under the money laundering rules, but it seems highly
unlikely that they would insist on a BC. More likely they would
require you to submit one item of your choice from a list which might
typically include your BC, but with your passport, driving licence,
etc, being other (and frankly better) alternatives. There would be
a separate list of suitable documents for verifying your address.

>> Ronald Raygun wrote:
>>> Question: Why do you need one for a business transaction?
>>
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>> Don't know.
>> Scottish Widows insists, however.
>
"Ronald Raygun" wrote
> Then they are fools...

Eh?!!

"Ronald Raygun" wrote
> ... It seems likely that they need to verify your identity...

Are you sure they don't want the BC to verify his
*age*, eg for a life assurance / annuity policy?

John wrote:
>>> Ronald Raygun wrote:
>>>> Question: Why do you need one for a business transaction?
>> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>> Don't know.
>>> Scottish Widows insists, however.
> "Ronald Raygun" wrote
>> Then they are fools...
>
> Eh?!!
>
> "Ronald Raygun" wrote
>> ... It seems likely that they need to verify your identity...
>
> Are you sure they don't want the BC to verify his
> *age*, eg for a life assurance / annuity policy?

Probably age.
But passport would be better IMO.

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Dirk

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Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:

> John wrote:
>>>> Ronald Raygun wrote:
>>>>> Question: Why do you need one for a business transaction?
>>> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>>> Don't know.
>>>> Scottish Widows insists, however.
>> "Ronald Raygun" wrote
>>> Then they are fools...
>>
>> Eh?!!

Yes, they are fools because the BC proves nothing beyond the fact that
someone registered a birth under that name on that date. There is
nothing which unequivocally establishes that it's the same person now
using that name.

If it is more advantageous to be able to demonstrate having a different
age than the correct one, it isn't very difficult to get hold of a
suitable certificate relating to someone else with the same name but
a better date of birth. It helps to have a very common name. :-)

>> "Ronald Raygun" wrote
>>> ... It seems likely that they need to verify your identity...
>>
>> Are you sure they don't want the BC to verify his
>> *age*, eg for a life assurance / annuity policy?

That sounds plausible.

> Probably age.
> But passport would be better IMO.

Agreed.

"Ronald Raygun" <> wrote in message
news:mZzbn.37202$ m...
> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>
>> John wrote:
>>>>> Ronald Raygun wrote:
>>>>>> Question: Why do you need one for a business transaction?
>>>> Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
>>>>> Don't know.
>>>>> Scottish Widows insists, however.
>>> "Ronald Raygun" wrote
>>>> Then they are fools...
>>>
>>> Eh?!!
>
> Yes, they are fools because the BC proves nothing beyond the fact that
> someone registered a birth under that name on that date. There is
> nothing which unequivocally establishes that it's the same person now
> using that name.
>
> If it is more advantageous to be able to demonstrate having a different
> age than the correct one, it isn't very difficult to get hold of a
> suitable certificate relating to someone else with the same name but
> a better date of birth. It helps to have a very common name. :-)
>
>>> "Ronald Raygun" wrote
>>>> ... It seems likely that they need to verify your identity...
>>>
>>> Are you sure they don't want the BC to verify his
>>> *age*, eg for a life assurance / annuity policy?
>
> That sounds plausible.
>
>> Probably age.
>> But passport would be better IMO.
>
> Agreed.
>

All true but all you need fora Passport is a recent photo, someone
"responsible" who will sign a bit of paper to say its you and your or a
Birth Certificate.

Good init!

Simon wrote:

> All true but all you need fora Passport is a recent photo, someone
> "responsible" who will sign a bit of paper to say its you and your or a
> Birth Certificate.
>
> Good init!

Yep. Actually you need a fingerprint as well these days.

Ronald Raygun wrote:
> Simon wrote:
>
>> All true but all you need fora Passport is a recent photo, someone
>> "responsible" who will sign a bit of paper to say its you and your or a
>> Birth Certificate.
>>
>> Good init!
>
> Yep. Actually you need a fingerprint as well these days.
>
Have to get some fake ones, CSI style.

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