Accountant Forums


Reply
Thread Tools

ESA appeal has been launched. Thunderbirds are go.

 
 
Niteawk
Guest
Posts: n/a
Thanked:
 
      06-09-2009, 10:30 PM
The clock is ticking, how long will it take from now until I get to
tribunal.

A DM might reverse the decision, but I doubt it.

How long will it take to reinstate ESA pending the appeal.

What happens if I lose the appeal.

All the above will be answered in due course.





 
Reply With Quote
 
 
 
 
Robbie
Guest
Posts: n/a
Thanked:
 
      06-10-2009, 01:00 AM
Niteawk wrote:
> The clock is ticking, how long will it take from now until I get to
> tribunal.
>
> A DM might reverse the decision, but I doubt it.
>
> How long will it take to reinstate ESA pending the appeal.
>
> What happens if I lose the appeal.
>
> All the above will be answered in due course.
>


You'll end up back on JSA.

And back on the numpty courses you hate.

Enjoy!


--
Robbie
 
Reply With Quote
 
 
 
 
Niteawk
Guest
Posts: n/a
Thanked:
 
      06-10-2009, 11:22 AM

"Robbie" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Niteawk wrote:
>> The clock is ticking, how long will it take from now until I get to
>> tribunal.
>>
>> A DM might reverse the decision, but I doubt it.
>>
>> How long will it take to reinstate ESA pending the appeal.
>>
>> What happens if I lose the appeal.
>>
>> All the above will be answered in due course.
>>

>
> You'll end up back on JSA.
>
> And back on the numpty courses you hate.
>
> Enjoy!
>


By wrongly underscoring my medical assessment, at the very least they
acknowledged a problem, they cant make you do things that affects you
health. Of course they will try to ignore the problem and force me back to
JSA, if I let them get away it. It doesnt look like thats happening, does
it.

 
Reply With Quote
 
mart2306@hotmail.com
Guest
Posts: n/a
Thanked:
 
      06-10-2009, 02:06 PM
On 10 June, 12:22, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Robbie" <ngrobbi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Niteawk wrote:
> >> The clock is ticking, how long will it take from now until I get to
> >> tribunal.

>
> >> A DM might reverse the decision, but I doubt it.

>
> >> How long will it take to reinstate ESA pending the appeal.

>
> >> What happens if I lose the appeal.

>
> >> All the above will be answered in due course.

>
> > You'll end up back on JSA.

>
> > And back on the numpty courses you hate.

>
> > Enjoy!

>
> By wrongly underscoring my medical assessment, at the very least they
> acknowledged a problem, they cant make you do things that affects you
> health. Of course they will try to ignore the problem and force me back to
> JSA, if I let them get away it. It doesnt look like thats happening, does
> it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


An appeal decision can go either way. Or can agree with the score
given.
Be nice if tribunals stuck to the facts but seen too many decisions
that were based on a different reality. Including directions to
contact a dead man, directions to use alternative methods of
calculating distance and so on.

Martin <><
 
Reply With Quote
 
Niteawk
Guest
Posts: n/a
Thanked:
 
      06-11-2009, 01:11 PM

<> wrote in message
news:d5adb0ca-5b4b-4b54-8169-...
> On 10 June, 12:22, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> "Robbie" <ngrobbi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Niteawk wrote:
>> >> The clock is ticking, how long will it take from now until I get to
>> >> tribunal.

>>
>> >> A DM might reverse the decision, but I doubt it.

>>
>> >> How long will it take to reinstate ESA pending the appeal.

>>
>> >> What happens if I lose the appeal.

>>
>> >> All the above will be answered in due course.

>>
>> > You'll end up back on JSA.

>>
>> > And back on the numpty courses you hate.

>>
>> > Enjoy!

>>
>> By wrongly underscoring my medical assessment, at the very least they
>> acknowledged a problem, they cant make you do things that affects you
>> health. Of course they will try to ignore the problem and force me back
>> to
>> JSA, if I let them get away it. It doesnt look like thats happening, does
>> it.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> An appeal decision can go either way. Or can agree with the score
> given.
> Be nice if tribunals stuck to the facts but seen too many decisions
> that were based on a different reality. Including directions to
> contact a dead man, directions to use alternative methods of
> calculating distance and so on.


You can appeal against a decision made by a tribunal. There are several
stages, an appeal is only the first stage in the process. Going to the HOL,
the European court, judicial review, the commissioner, who ever the hell
s/he is, the Secretary of State. The court of human rights. I forget what
order you go in, but my legal advise will know. That should help the
government, me keeping all those people in highly paid jobs, they might give
me an award for services to industry, its a wonderful system

 
Reply With Quote
 
Robbie
Guest
Posts: n/a
Thanked:
 
      06-11-2009, 02:31 PM
Niteawk wrote:
>
> <> wrote in message
> news:d5adb0ca-5b4b-4b54-8169-...
>> On 10 June, 12:22, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> "Robbie" <ngrobbi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Niteawk wrote:
>>> >> The clock is ticking, how long will it take from now until I get to
>>> >> tribunal.
>>>
>>> >> A DM might reverse the decision, but I doubt it.
>>>
>>> >> How long will it take to reinstate ESA pending the appeal.
>>>
>>> >> What happens if I lose the appeal.
>>>
>>> >> All the above will be answered in due course.
>>>
>>> > You'll end up back on JSA.
>>>
>>> > And back on the numpty courses you hate.
>>>
>>> > Enjoy!
>>>
>>> By wrongly underscoring my medical assessment, at the very least they
>>> acknowledged a problem, they cant make you do things that affects you
>>> health. Of course they will try to ignore the problem and force me
>>> back to
>>> JSA, if I let them get away it. It doesnt look like thats happening,
>>> does
>>> it.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -

>>
>> An appeal decision can go either way. Or can agree with the score
>> given.
>> Be nice if tribunals stuck to the facts but seen too many decisions
>> that were based on a different reality. Including directions to
>> contact a dead man, directions to use alternative methods of
>> calculating distance and so on.

>
> You can appeal against a decision made by a tribunal. There are several
> stages, an appeal is only the first stage in the process. Going to the
> HOL, the European court, judicial review, the commissioner, who ever the
> hell s/he is, the Secretary of State. The court of human rights. I
> forget what order you go in, but my legal advise will know. That should
> help the government, me keeping all those people in highly paid jobs,
> they might give me an award for services to industry, its a wonderful
> system


The ability to continue to claim ESA while persuing an appeal stops at
the first stage of the appeals process - that is the Tribunal stage, now
commonly referred to as the First Tier stage. After that there is a
second tier of appeals to what used to be the Commissioner, now the
Upper Tribunal, that may only be made on a point of law and not simply
because you think you should have had more points. You can't ask for a
judicial review or appeal to anywhere else if your appeal is going
through the proper channels. The Upper Tribunal may refer the case back
to a lower tribunal if necessary which would add yet more delay.

It may be a wonderful system but if you fail at the Tribunal / First
Tier stage you won't get another penny of ESA - not so wonderful for you
then nor the year long wait for the next stage to be heard, if it gets
that far. And no, they don't have to give you anything to live on before
you state otherwise. You would have no choice but to either starve or
claim JSA but remember that you can also have that refused if you say
your health problems prevent you from working at all. Though by then you
could use the services of the Shaw Trust as you will probably meet their
criteria for accessing their services. Though as they are a not for
profit organisation they would probably not appreciate time wasters who
are more concerned with living a life on benefits than actually doing
something constructive.

You'll have to do a few more baccy runs to get money to live on if you
lose the appeal...

--
Robbie
 
Reply With Quote
 
mart2306@hotmail.com
Guest
Posts: n/a
Thanked:
 
      06-11-2009, 03:36 PM
On 11 June, 16:11, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> "Robbie" <ngrobbi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Niteawk wrote:

>
> >> <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:d5adb0ca-5b4b-4b54-8169-...
> >>> On 10 June, 12:22, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >>>> "Robbie" <ngrobbi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>
> >>>>news:...

>
> >>>> > Niteawk wrote:
> >>>> >> The clock is ticking, how long will it take from now until I get to
> >>>> >> tribunal.

>
> >>>> >> A DM might reverse the decision, but I doubt it.

>
> >>>> >> How long will it take to reinstate ESA pending the appeal.

>
> >>>> >> What happens if I lose the appeal.

>
> >>>> >> All the above will be answered in due course.

>
> >>>> > You'll end up back on JSA.

>
> >>>> > And back on the numpty courses you hate.

>
> >>>> > Enjoy!

>
> >>>> By wrongly underscoring my medical assessment, at the very least they
> >>>> acknowledged a problem, they cant make you do things that affects you
> >>>> health. Of course they will try to ignore the problem and force me back
> >>>> to
> >>>> JSA, if I let them get away it. It doesnt look like thats happening,
> >>>> does
> >>>> it.- Hide quoted text -

>
> >>>> - Show quoted text -

>
> >>> An appeal decision can go either way. Or can agree with the score
> >>> given.
> >>> Be nice if tribunals stuck to the facts but seen too many decisions
> >>> that were based on a different reality. Including directions to
> >>> contact a dead man, directions to use alternative methods of
> >>> calculating distance and so on.

>
> >> You can appeal against a decision made by a tribunal. There are several
> >> stages, an appeal is only the first stage in the process. Going to the
> >> HOL, the European court, judicial review, the commissioner, who ever the
> >> hell s/he is, the Secretary of State. The court of human rights. I forget
> >> what order you go in, but my legal advise will know. That should help the
> >> government, me keeping all those people in highly paid jobs, they might
> >> give me an award for services to industry, its a wonderful system

>
> > The ability to continue to claim ESA while persuing an appeal stops at the
> > first stage of the appeals process - that is the Tribunal stage, now
> > commonly referred to as the First Tier stage. After that there is a second
> > tier of appeals to what used to be the Commissioner, now the Upper
> > Tribunal, that may only be made on a point of law and not simply because
> > you think you should have had more points. You can't ask for a judicial
> > review or appeal to anywhere else if your appeal is going through the
> > proper channels. The Upper Tribunal may refer the case back to a lower
> > tribunal if necessary which would add yet more delay.

>
> > It may be a wonderful system but if you fail at the Tribunal / First Tier
> > stage you won't get another penny of ESA - not so wonderful for you then
> > nor the year long wait for the next stage to be heard, if it gets that
> > far. And no, they don't have to give you anything to live on before you
> > state otherwise. You would have no choice but to either starve or claim
> > JSA but remember that you can also have that refused if you say your
> > health problems prevent you from working at all. Though by then you could
> > use the services of the Shaw Trust as you will probably meet their
> > criteria for accessing their services. Though as they are a not for profit
> > organisation they would probably not appreciate time wasters who are more
> > concerned with living a life on benefits than actually doing something
> > constructive.

>
> Bloody hell, you can half paint a grim picture. None of that crap bothers
> me. If I fail at the first tier I can claim IB while waiting for the second
> tier, or hardship payment. The bottom line is they cant leave me with no
> money to live on.
> Makes you wonder why they have such a convoluted system, doesnt it. Designed
> to put people off no doubt. They can squirm and wriggle as much as they
> like, they have to follow the letter of the law.
>
>
>
> > You'll have to do a few more baccy runs to get money to live on if you
> > lose the appeal...

>
> I suppose I will have to do something like that if they leave me with no
> money to live on, we will soon find out how far they can go when it comes to
> threatening someones right to life by starving them to death. Some kid died
> from starvation recently, the parents were charged with murder. The
> prosecution maintained that starving the girl to death was no different to
> someone shooting or strangling her, or beating her to death, the outcome was
> the same.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Yes, starved several children, of which one died and the others may
have health problems for years to come. Big story in the local press
at the time.
Thats parents choosing to do something - not government refusing to
give money.

How can you claim IB?

Martin <><
 
Reply With Quote
 
Robbie
Guest
Posts: n/a
Thanked:
 
      06-11-2009, 04:49 PM
wrote:
> On 11 June, 16:11, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> "Robbie" <ngrobbi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>> <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:d5adb0ca-5b4b-4b54-8169-...
>>>>> On 10 June, 12:22, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Robbie" <ngrobbi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>>>>> The clock is ticking, how long will it take from now until I get to
>>>>>>>> tribunal.
>>>>>>>> A DM might reverse the decision, but I doubt it.
>>>>>>>> How long will it take to reinstate ESA pending the appeal.
>>>>>>>> What happens if I lose the appeal.
>>>>>>>> All the above will be answered in due course.
>>>>>>> You'll end up back on JSA.
>>>>>>> And back on the numpty courses you hate.
>>>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>>> By wrongly underscoring my medical assessment, at the very least they
>>>>>> acknowledged a problem, they cant make you do things that affects you
>>>>>> health. Of course they will try to ignore the problem and force me back
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> JSA, if I let them get away it. It doesnt look like thats happening,
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> it.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> An appeal decision can go either way. Or can agree with the score
>>>>> given.
>>>>> Be nice if tribunals stuck to the facts but seen too many decisions
>>>>> that were based on a different reality. Including directions to
>>>>> contact a dead man, directions to use alternative methods of
>>>>> calculating distance and so on.
>>>> You can appeal against a decision made by a tribunal. There are several
>>>> stages, an appeal is only the first stage in the process. Going to the
>>>> HOL, the European court, judicial review, the commissioner, who ever the
>>>> hell s/he is, the Secretary of State. The court of human rights. I forget
>>>> what order you go in, but my legal advise will know. That should help the
>>>> government, me keeping all those people in highly paid jobs, they might
>>>> give me an award for services to industry, its a wonderful system
>>> The ability to continue to claim ESA while persuing an appeal stops at the
>>> first stage of the appeals process - that is the Tribunal stage, now
>>> commonly referred to as the First Tier stage. After that there is a second
>>> tier of appeals to what used to be the Commissioner, now the Upper
>>> Tribunal, that may only be made on a point of law and not simply because
>>> you think you should have had more points. You can't ask for a judicial
>>> review or appeal to anywhere else if your appeal is going through the
>>> proper channels. The Upper Tribunal may refer the case back to a lower
>>> tribunal if necessary which would add yet more delay.
>>> It may be a wonderful system but if you fail at the Tribunal / First Tier
>>> stage you won't get another penny of ESA - not so wonderful for you then
>>> nor the year long wait for the next stage to be heard, if it gets that
>>> far. And no, they don't have to give you anything to live on before you
>>> state otherwise. You would have no choice but to either starve or claim
>>> JSA but remember that you can also have that refused if you say your
>>> health problems prevent you from working at all. Though by then you could
>>> use the services of the Shaw Trust as you will probably meet their
>>> criteria for accessing their services. Though as they are a not for profit
>>> organisation they would probably not appreciate time wasters who are more
>>> concerned with living a life on benefits than actually doing something
>>> constructive.

>> Bloody hell, you can half paint a grim picture. None of that crap bothers
>> me. If I fail at the first tier I can claim IB while waiting for the second
>> tier, or hardship payment. The bottom line is they cant leave me with no
>> money to live on.
>> Makes you wonder why they have such a convoluted system, doesnt it. Designed
>> to put people off no doubt. They can squirm and wriggle as much as they
>> like, they have to follow the letter of the law.
>>
>>
>>
>>> You'll have to do a few more baccy runs to get money to live on if you
>>> lose the appeal...

>> I suppose I will have to do something like that if they leave me with no
>> money to live on, we will soon find out how far they can go when it comes to
>> threatening someones right to life by starving them to death. Some kid died
>> from starvation recently, the parents were charged with murder. The
>> prosecution maintained that starving the girl to death was no different to
>> someone shooting or strangling her, or beating her to death, the outcome was
>> the same.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Yes, starved several children, of which one died and the others may
> have health problems for years to come. Big story in the local press
> at the time.
> Thats parents choosing to do something - not government refusing to
> give money.
>
> How can you claim IB?
>
> Martin <><


He can't - it was replaced by ESA and even then he wouldn't have
qualified as it was contributions based. I think Niteawk means IS -
Income Support - but that isn't available to someone in his circumstances.

--
Robbie
 
Reply With Quote
 
Robbie
Guest
Posts: n/a
Thanked:
 
      06-11-2009, 04:55 PM
Niteawk wrote:
>
> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>
>>> <> wrote in message
>>> news:d5adb0ca-5b4b-4b54-8169-...
>>>> On 10 June, 12:22, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Robbie" <ngrobbi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Niteawk wrote:
>>>>> >> The clock is ticking, how long will it take from now until I get to
>>>>> >> tribunal.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> A DM might reverse the decision, but I doubt it.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> How long will it take to reinstate ESA pending the appeal.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> What happens if I lose the appeal.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> All the above will be answered in due course.
>>>>>
>>>>> > You'll end up back on JSA.
>>>>>
>>>>> > And back on the numpty courses you hate.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Enjoy!
>>>>>
>>>>> By wrongly underscoring my medical assessment, at the very least they
>>>>> acknowledged a problem, they cant make you do things that affects you
>>>>> health. Of course they will try to ignore the problem and force me
>>>>> back to
>>>>> JSA, if I let them get away it. It doesnt look like thats
>>>>> happening, does
>>>>> it.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> An appeal decision can go either way. Or can agree with the score
>>>> given.
>>>> Be nice if tribunals stuck to the facts but seen too many decisions
>>>> that were based on a different reality. Including directions to
>>>> contact a dead man, directions to use alternative methods of
>>>> calculating distance and so on.
>>>
>>> You can appeal against a decision made by a tribunal. There are
>>> several stages, an appeal is only the first stage in the process.
>>> Going to the HOL, the European court, judicial review, the
>>> commissioner, who ever the hell s/he is, the Secretary of State. The
>>> court of human rights. I forget what order you go in, but my legal
>>> advise will know. That should help the government, me keeping all
>>> those people in highly paid jobs, they might give me an award for
>>> services to industry, its a wonderful system

>>
>> The ability to continue to claim ESA while persuing an appeal stops at
>> the first stage of the appeals process - that is the Tribunal stage,
>> now commonly referred to as the First Tier stage. After that there is
>> a second tier of appeals to what used to be the Commissioner, now the
>> Upper Tribunal, that may only be made on a point of law and not simply
>> because you think you should have had more points. You can't ask for a
>> judicial review or appeal to anywhere else if your appeal is going
>> through the proper channels. The Upper Tribunal may refer the case
>> back to a lower tribunal if necessary which would add yet more delay.
>>
>> It may be a wonderful system but if you fail at the Tribunal / First
>> Tier stage you won't get another penny of ESA - not so wonderful for
>> you then nor the year long wait for the next stage to be heard, if it
>> gets that far. And no, they don't have to give you anything to live on
>> before you state otherwise. You would have no choice but to either
>> starve or claim JSA but remember that you can also have that refused
>> if you say your health problems prevent you from working at all.
>> Though by then you could use the services of the Shaw Trust as you
>> will probably meet their criteria for accessing their services. Though
>> as they are a not for profit organisation they would probably not
>> appreciate time wasters who are more concerned with living a life on
>> benefits than actually doing something constructive.

>
> Bloody hell, you can half paint a grim picture.


Just balancing up the over optimistic picture you were painting!

None of that crap bothers me. If I fail at the first tier I can claim
IB while waiting for
> the second tier, or hardship payment.


IB has been abolished although you wouldn't have qualified for it
anyway. The only hardship payment available to you is when you claim
JSA. There is no equivalent under ESA. There is a Crisis Loan but you
don't qualify for a Crisis Loan if you are unable to repay the money you
are loaned.

The bottom line is they cant leave
> me with no money to live on.
>


Oh yes they can. And it happens more frequently than what you think.

Makes you wonder why they have such a convoluted system, doesnt it.
> Designed to put people off no doubt. They can squirm and wriggle as much
> as they like, they have to follow the letter of the law.


Which lays down circumstances when they can and can't pay benefit. You
have to follow the law too which determines when these circumstances arise.


>
>
>>
>> You'll have to do a few more baccy runs to get money to live on if you
>> lose the appeal...
>>

>
> I suppose I will have to do something like that if they leave me with no
> money to live on


as if you weren't doing them anyway. You've already admitted you do them.

, we will soon find out how far they can go when it
> comes to threatening someones right to life by starving them to death.
> Some kid died from starvation recently, the parents were charged with
> murder. The prosecution maintained that starving the girl to death was
> no different to someone shooting or strangling her, or beating her to
> death, the outcome was the same.


The kid had no say in the matter. You do.
--
Robbie
 
Reply With Quote
 
Niteawk
Guest
Posts: n/a
Thanked:
 
      06-11-2009, 05:05 PM

<> wrote in message
news:ce25032d-0ccf-4e8e-bcc6-...
> On 11 June, 16:11, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> "Robbie" <ngrobbi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Niteawk wrote:

>>
>> >> <mart2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:d5adb0ca-5b4b-4b54-8169-...
>> >>> On 10 June, 12:22, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >>>> "Robbie" <ngrobbi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>>
>> >>>>news:...

>>
>> >>>> > Niteawk wrote:
>> >>>> >> The clock is ticking, how long will it take from now until I get
>> >>>> >> to
>> >>>> >> tribunal.

>>
>> >>>> >> A DM might reverse the decision, but I doubt it.

>>
>> >>>> >> How long will it take to reinstate ESA pending the appeal.

>>
>> >>>> >> What happens if I lose the appeal.

>>
>> >>>> >> All the above will be answered in due course.

>>
>> >>>> > You'll end up back on JSA.

>>
>> >>>> > And back on the numpty courses you hate.

>>
>> >>>> > Enjoy!

>>
>> >>>> By wrongly underscoring my medical assessment, at the very least
>> >>>> they
>> >>>> acknowledged a problem, they cant make you do things that affects
>> >>>> you
>> >>>> health. Of course they will try to ignore the problem and force me
>> >>>> back
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> JSA, if I let them get away it. It doesnt look like thats happening,
>> >>>> does
>> >>>> it.- Hide quoted text -

>>
>> >>>> - Show quoted text -

>>
>> >>> An appeal decision can go either way. Or can agree with the score
>> >>> given.
>> >>> Be nice if tribunals stuck to the facts but seen too many decisions
>> >>> that were based on a different reality. Including directions to
>> >>> contact a dead man, directions to use alternative methods of
>> >>> calculating distance and so on.

>>
>> >> You can appeal against a decision made by a tribunal. There are
>> >> several
>> >> stages, an appeal is only the first stage in the process. Going to the
>> >> HOL, the European court, judicial review, the commissioner, who ever
>> >> the
>> >> hell s/he is, the Secretary of State. The court of human rights. I
>> >> forget
>> >> what order you go in, but my legal advise will know. That should help
>> >> the
>> >> government, me keeping all those people in highly paid jobs, they
>> >> might
>> >> give me an award for services to industry, its a wonderful system

>>
>> > The ability to continue to claim ESA while persuing an appeal stops at
>> > the
>> > first stage of the appeals process - that is the Tribunal stage, now
>> > commonly referred to as the First Tier stage. After that there is a
>> > second
>> > tier of appeals to what used to be the Commissioner, now the Upper
>> > Tribunal, that may only be made on a point of law and not simply
>> > because
>> > you think you should have had more points. You can't ask for a judicial
>> > review or appeal to anywhere else if your appeal is going through the
>> > proper channels. The Upper Tribunal may refer the case back to a lower
>> > tribunal if necessary which would add yet more delay.

>>
>> > It may be a wonderful system but if you fail at the Tribunal / First
>> > Tier
>> > stage you won't get another penny of ESA - not so wonderful for you
>> > then
>> > nor the year long wait for the next stage to be heard, if it gets that
>> > far. And no, they don't have to give you anything to live on before you
>> > state otherwise. You would have no choice but to either starve or claim
>> > JSA but remember that you can also have that refused if you say your
>> > health problems prevent you from working at all. Though by then you
>> > could
>> > use the services of the Shaw Trust as you will probably meet their
>> > criteria for accessing their services. Though as they are a not for
>> > profit
>> > organisation they would probably not appreciate time wasters who are
>> > more
>> > concerned with living a life on benefits than actually doing something
>> > constructive.

>>
>> Bloody hell, you can half paint a grim picture. None of that crap bothers
>> me. If I fail at the first tier I can claim IB while waiting for the
>> second
>> tier, or hardship payment. The bottom line is they cant leave me with no
>> money to live on.
>> Makes you wonder why they have such a convoluted system, doesnt it.
>> Designed
>> to put people off no doubt. They can squirm and wriggle as much as they
>> like, they have to follow the letter of the law.
>>
>>
>>
>> > You'll have to do a few more baccy runs to get money to live on if you
>> > lose the appeal...

>>
>> I suppose I will have to do something like that if they leave me with no
>> money to live on, we will soon find out how far they can go when it comes
>> to
>> threatening someones right to life by starving them to death. Some kid
>> died
>> from starvation recently, the parents were charged with murder. The
>> prosecution maintained that starving the girl to death was no different
>> to
>> someone shooting or strangling her, or beating her to death, the outcome
>> was
>> the same.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> Yes, starved several children, of which one died and the others may
> have health problems for years to come. Big story in the local press
> at the time.
> Thats parents choosing to do something - not government refusing to
> give money.


Same difference when you rely on benefit to live.


>
> How can you claim IB?
>


Cos I B goin down there to gets it. I know what you are thinking, they have
scrapped IB and replaced it with ESA. Well they still have IB according to
direct.gov.uk

 
Reply With Quote
 
 
 
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Won my ESA appeal. Niteawk UK Tax Credits and Benefits 2 03-21-2010 01:38 AM
ESA appeal & cold weather payments? Niteawk UK Tax Credits and Benefits 18 01-12-2010 02:44 PM
ESA appeal update chamone. Niteawk UK Tax Credits and Benefits 23 09-30-2009 09:17 PM
ESA appeal update. Niteawk UK Tax Credits and Benefits 8 08-28-2009 03:22 PM
ESA appeal update. Thunderbirds are still go. Niteawk UK Tax Credits and Benefits 23 06-20-2009 06:27 PM


All times are GMT. The time now is 08:56 PM.
Posts in this forum do not constitute the advice of AccountantForums.com or its members. Financial advice should always be taken from qualified advisors before committing to a financial decision.