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Vijay Sharma
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      06-22-2006, 02:55 AM
I understand that the excess of Distribution over
Shareholder Basis in a S Corp is reported on Schedule D of
Form 1040 as Capital Gain. What line of Schedule D does
this go on? I tried reading the instructions but did not
find anything about excess of distribution over shareholder
basis. The excess distribution would throw the
Shareholder's Basis into negative on the Books, correct?

Also, is the excess treated the same (reported on Schedule D
as Capital Gain) in a LLC elected as a partnership for tax
purposes?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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      06-22-2006, 06:28 AM
Vijay Sharma <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I understand that the excess of Distribution over
> Shareholder Basis in a S Corp is reported on Schedule D of
> Form 1040 as Capital Gain. What line of Schedule D does
> this go on? I tried reading the instructions but did not
> find anything about excess of distribution over shareholder
> basis.


Report on Line 1 or 8, depending if short or long term.

> The excess distribution would throw the Shareholder's Basis
> into negative on the Books, correct?


It would if shareholder basis could be negatve, but it can't.

It's sort of part of the religion of tax accounting: "Basis
cannot go negative."

> Also, is the excess treated the same (reported on Schedule D
> as Capital Gain) in a LLC elected as a partnership for tax
> purposes?


And that rule holds for partnerships too.

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      06-23-2006, 12:58 AM
Arthur Kamlet wrote:
> Vijay Sharma <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>> I understand that the excess of Distribution over
>> Shareholder Basis in a S Corp is reported on Schedule D of
>> Form 1040 as Capital Gain. What line of Schedule D does
>> this go on? I tried reading the instructions but did not
>> find anything about excess of distribution over shareholder
>> basis.


> Report on Line 1 or 8, depending if short or long term.


>> The excess distribution would throw the Shareholder's Basis
>> into negative on the Books, correct?


> It would if shareholder basis could be negatve, but it can't.
>
> It's sort of part of the religion of tax accounting: "Basis
> cannot go negative."


>> Also, is the excess treated the same (reported on Schedule D
>> as Capital Gain) in a LLC elected as a partnership for tax
>> purposes?


> And that rule holds for partnerships too.


Thanks for answering my question. I have a follow up
question -

>> It would if shareholder basis could be negatve, but it can't.


>> It's sort of part of the religion of tax accounting: "Basis
>> cannot go negative."


Is this true for financial accounting (books) as well?

Say basis on the books is $20K and Distribution comes out to
$25K. On the S Corp or LLC's books the g/l entry would be
Debit R/E $20K, Credit Cash $25K, what is the remaining
debit entry for the $5K then?

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      06-23-2006, 07:10 AM
>>> It would if shareholder basis could be negatve, but it can't.
>>>
>>> It's sort of part of the religion of tax accounting: "Basis
>>> cannot go negative."


> Is this true for financial accounting (books) as well?
>
> Say basis on the books is $20K and Distribution comes out to
> $25K. On the S Corp or LLC's books the g/l entry would be
> Debit R/E $20K, Credit Cash $25K, what is the remaining
> debit entry for the $5K then?


If you have no imagination, you can create a dull-sounding
line entry and call it "Excess of Distribution over Basis"
and account for it there. Or do the same thing with a
sexier sounding title like "Distribution Gain" which will be
guaranteed to confuse almost everyone :-)

When you get through with it, Sch K will call for it to be
transferred to a 1040 Sch D.

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      06-24-2006, 02:18 AM
>>>> It would if shareholder basis could be negatve, but it can't.
>>>>
>>>> It's sort of part of the religion of tax accounting: "Basis
>>>> cannot go negative."


>> Is this true for financial accounting (books) as well?
>>
>> Say basis on the books is $20K and Distribution comes out to
>> $25K. On the S Corp or LLC's books the g/l entry would be
>> Debit R/E $20K, Credit Cash $25K, what is the remaining
>> debit entry for the $5K then?


> If you have no imagination, you can create a dull-sounding
> line entry and call it "Excess of Distribution over Basis"
> and account for it there. Or do the same thing with a
> sexier sounding title like "Distribution Gain" which will be
> guaranteed to confuse almost everyone :-)
>
> When you get through with it, Sch K will call for it to be
> transferred to a 1040 Sch D.


Thanks for your response.

>> When you get through with it, Sch K will call for it to

> be transferred to a 1040 Sch D.


Are you talking about the "total distribution" or just the
"excess of distribution over basis" being reported on
Schedule K? What line of Schedule K (Form 1065)?

I was under the impression that this capital gain is a
personal (shareholder) one and not a corporate one so
Schedules K and K-1s would not be involved just Schedule D
of Form 1040? I do realize that the "total distribution"
does go on line 19(a) "Distributions of cash and marketable
securities" of Schedule K.

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In the case of Excess Distribution, is it reported to the Shareholder uniquely on the K1 or just part of line 19?
 
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