Mandatory courses?

Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses for
months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.

Held in over crowded rooms for 30 hrs per week, could this be a breach of
human rights?

Is it reasonable to waste billions of tax payers money like that?

> Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses for
> months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.

Do they disappear off the jobless figures while they're on the
"courses" ?

Colin Wilson wrote:
>> Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses for
>> months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.
>
> Do they disappear off the jobless figures while they're on the
> "courses" ?

Off the JSA count yes as far as I am aware, but not the larger (and
largely sampled) ILO count that now appears to be the favoured way of
measuring unemployment. The latter figure is just based on a sample of
the population as a whole and isn't a measure of people in receipt of
JSA. The sample size used to be a mere 5,000 people.

Robbie wrote:
> Colin Wilson wrote:
>>> Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory
>>> courses for months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one
>>> page crap CV.
>>
>> Do they disappear off the jobless figures while they're on the
>> "courses" ?
>
> Off the JSA count yes as far as I am aware, but not the larger (and
> largely sampled) ILO count that now appears to be the favoured way of
> measuring unemployment. The latter figure is just based on a sample of
> the population as a whole and isn't a measure of people in receipt of
> JSA. The sample size used to be a mere 5,000 people.

Looking National Statistics website at:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBas...ank=2&Rank=352

direct link to file:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloa...employment.pdf

it appears that people on courses may be included in the JSA figures (as
was always the case many years ago). It depends on the long term nature
of the course of training or employment.

The PDF file at that link reveals that the ILO survey is of about 53,000
households in any three month period, consisting of about 101,000
people aged 16+. From that sample an unemployment figure for each region
and for GB and the UK as a whole is calculated.

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:40:42 +0100, "Niteawk" <>
wrote:

>Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses for
>months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.
>
>Held in over crowded rooms for 30 hrs per week, could this be a breach of
>human rights?
>
>Is it reasonable to waste billions of tax payers money like that?
>
>

I did the CV course back in about 1992.
It was rubbish. Got a nice printed CV out of it though which I never
used to apply for jobs.

I got sent for an interview next. Despite my best efforts they offered
me the job - selling insurance. Declined the slightly crazy training
that went with it and decided in the end it'd be better for me to find
myself a job and get on with being employed rather than harrassed by
insane[1] job centre staff.

I found an easy relatively well paid job with the local council and
that was the end of my working career for some time.


I do think it's utterly unreasonable to expect the deliberately
unemployed to drag themselves away from their sofa just for a CV
course.
It'd be much better to let ambition take it's course, that and
stopping benefits[2] of course.


[1] They never got the joke when I pointed out that we could only
take one job number up to them as they were short-staffed.

[2] What would get you to go find a job?
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On 4 Oct, 20:37, mogga <d...@NOSPAMPLEASEmogga.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:40:42 +0100, "Niteawk" <nos...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses for
> >months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.
>
> >Held in over crowded rooms for 30 hrs per week, could this be a breach of
> >human rights?
>
> >Is it reasonable to waste billions of tax payers money like that?
>
> I did the CV course back in about 1992.
> It was rubbish. Got a nice printed CV out of it though which I never
> used to apply for jobs.
>
> I got sent for an interview next. Despite my best efforts they offered
> me the job - selling insurance. Declined the slightly crazy training
> that went with it and decided in the end it'd be better for me to find
> myself a job and get on with being employed rather than harrassed by
> insane[1] job centre staff.
>
> I found an easy relatively well paid job with the local council and
> that was the end of my working career for some time.
>
>
> I do think it's utterly unreasonable to expect the deliberately
> unemployed to drag themselves away from their sofa just for a CV
> course.
> It'd be much better to let ambition take it's course, that and
> stopping benefits[2] *of course.
>
> [1] They never got the joke when I pointed out *that we could only
> take one job number up to them as they were short-staffed.
>
> [2] What would get you to go find a job?
> --http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.ukhttp://www.holidayunder100.co.uk

Well, this from todays news.

"A £25-a-week state help cut for up to half a million claimants
expected to be proved by tests to be fit for work is planned to help
pay for plans to use more private firms to get people into jobs."

At least this time he's said how he's going to fund a
scheme........

Martin <><

"mogga" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:40:42 +0100, "Niteawk" <>
> wrote:
>
>>Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses
>>for
>>months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.
>>
>>Held in over crowded rooms for 30 hrs per week, could this be a breach of
>>human rights?
>>
>>Is it reasonable to waste billions of tax payers money like that?
>>
>>
>
> I did the CV course back in about 1992.
> It was rubbish. Got a nice printed CV out of it though which I never
> used to apply for jobs.
>
> I got sent for an interview next. Despite my best efforts they offered
> me the job - selling insurance. Declined the slightly crazy training
> that went with it and decided in the end it'd be better for me to find
> myself a job and get on with being employed rather than harrassed by
> insane[1] job centre staff.
>
> I found an easy relatively well paid job with the local council and
> that was the end of my working career for some time.
>
>
> I do think it's utterly unreasonable to expect the deliberately
> unemployed to drag themselves away from their sofa just for a CV
> course.

Quite right, offering worthwhile training as incentive to get them off sofas
is beyond their remit, they would rather waste the time and money to drag
them off, they get nothing and the state gets nothing. Even stevens



> It'd be much better to let ambition take it's course, that and
> stopping benefits[2] of course.
>
>
> [1] They never got the joke when I pointed out that we could only
> take one job number up to them as they were short-staffed.
>


> [2] What would get you to go find a job?

The cost of living should be a big clue here.

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How can the government get away with wasting billions of £'s on crap CV
courses and then tell us that they need to make cuts to save money by
attacking the NHS or some other essential public service.