DLA

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  1. Gazz

    Gazz Guest

    Do they still routinely refuse the first application for DLA? or is that
    just a rumour by people who hate the system, and they are really very nice
    people with our best interests at heart... lol.

    Just my conditions have been getting steadily worse, so we were told to
    claim dla, as they rekoned we more than meet the criteria, and people with
    less problems get it (that was the cab welfare type bod, and the doctor
    agreed too)

    so put in an application, got help to fill it in at the cab, so hopefully
    put the right things in the boxes... like for hobbies, list nothing but
    breathing and farting, as owt else shows you have a life outside being
    misserable from your medical problems :)

    Got the refusal letter today, listed a lot of things saying stuff like 'you
    do no need help getting in or out of bed, or being re-positioned during the
    night, or help cooking a meal'
    even tho we told them i do need help with those things on the form,

    it's almost as if they were reading a blank application form, as almost
    everything that was put down, they said i dont need help with,

    Obviousely we will be going back to the cab on monday to see what to do
    next, but it just seems weird how they have said i cant get it, due to not
    needing help with things on the form, when over half of them i do,
     
    Gazz, Dec 18, 2010
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  2. Gazz

    Guest

    On Dec 18, 12:02 pm, "Gazz" <> wrote:
    > Do they still routinely refuse the first application for DLA? or is that
    > just a rumour by people who hate the system, and they are really very nice
    > people with our best interests at heart... lol.
    >
    > Just my conditions have been getting steadily worse, so we were told to
    > claim dla, as they rekoned we more than meet the criteria, and people with
    > less problems get it (that was the cab welfare type bod, and the doctor
    > agreed too)
    >
    > so put in an application, got help to fill it in at the cab, so hopefully
    > put the right things in the boxes... like for hobbies, list nothing but
    > breathing and farting, as owt else shows you have a life outside being
    > misserable from your medical problems :)
    >
    > Got the refusal letter today, listed a lot of things saying stuff like 'you
    > do no need help getting in or out of bed, or being re-positioned during the
    > night, or help cooking a meal'
    > even tho we told them i do need help with those things on the form,
    >
    > it's almost as if they were reading a blank application form, as almost
    > everything that was put down, they said i dont need help with,
    >
    > Obviousely we will be going back to the cab on monday to see what to do
    > next, but it just seems weird how they have said i cant get it, due to not
    > needing help with things on the form, when over half of them i do,


    Not noticed them routinely refusing the first application for DLA. Is
    this something new in the last 4 weeks?

    Martin <><
     
    , Dec 18, 2010
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  3. Gazz

    Robbie Guest

    On 18/12/2010 16:07, wrote:
    > On Dec 18, 12:02 pm, "Gazz"<> wrote:
    >> Do they still routinely refuse the first application for DLA? or is that
    >> just a rumour by people who hate the system, and they are really very nice
    >> people with our best interests at heart... lol.
    >>
    >> Just my conditions have been getting steadily worse, so we were told to
    >> claim dla, as they rekoned we more than meet the criteria, and people with
    >> less problems get it (that was the cab welfare type bod, and the doctor
    >> agreed too)
    >>
    >> so put in an application, got help to fill it in at the cab, so hopefully
    >> put the right things in the boxes... like for hobbies, list nothing but
    >> breathing and farting, as owt else shows you have a life outside being
    >> misserable from your medical problems :)
    >>
    >> Got the refusal letter today, listed a lot of things saying stuff like 'you
    >> do no need help getting in or out of bed, or being re-positioned during the
    >> night, or help cooking a meal'
    >> even tho we told them i do need help with those things on the form,
    >>
    >> it's almost as if they were reading a blank application form, as almost
    >> everything that was put down, they said i dont need help with,
    >>
    >> Obviousely we will be going back to the cab on monday to see what to do
    >> next, but it just seems weird how they have said i cant get it, due to not
    >> needing help with things on the form, when over half of them i do,

    >
    > Not noticed them routinely refusing the first application for DLA. Is
    > this something new in the last 4 weeks?
    >
    > Martin<><


    There seems to be a trend that initial claims for DLA are often refused
    then a second application is accepted. The failure rate for first claims
    is well over 50%, for second applications the failure rate is less.

    The OP has two choices - appeal the decision or wait 6 months and
    reapply if he thinks he does qualify.

    Incidentally DLA is being abolished in 2013 and is being replaced by a
    new benefit called PIP! That stands for Personal Independence Payment.
    In what seems like a move back to the old style Attendance Allowance
    pre-DLA days, all initial claims except for terminally ill claimants
    will require an ATOS medical before any decision on a claim can be made
    and the lowest rate of the new style care component is being abolished
    completely, removing the "cooking test" lowest rate payment that many
    people currently receive.

    --
    Robbie
     
    Robbie, Dec 19, 2010
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  4. Gazz

    Guest

    On Dec 19, 12:02 am, Robbie <> wrote:
    > On 18/12/2010 16:07, wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Dec 18, 12:02 pm, "Gazz"<>  wrote:
    > >> Do they still routinely refuse the first application for DLA? or is that
    > >> just a rumour by people who hate the system, and they are really very nice
    > >> people with our best interests at heart... lol.

    >
    > >> Just my conditions have been getting steadily worse, so we were told to
    > >> claim dla, as they rekoned we more than meet the criteria, and people with
    > >> less problems get it (that was the cab welfare type bod, and the doctor
    > >> agreed too)

    >
    > >> so put in an application, got help to fill it in at the cab, so hopefully
    > >> put the right things in the boxes... like for hobbies, list nothing but
    > >> breathing and farting, as owt else shows you have a life outside being
    > >> misserable from your medical problems :)

    >
    > >> Got the refusal letter today, listed a lot of things saying stuff like'you
    > >> do no need help getting in or out of bed, or being re-positioned during the
    > >> night, or help cooking a meal'
    > >> even tho we told them i do need help with those things on the form,

    >
    > >> it's almost as if they were reading a blank application form, as almost
    > >> everything that was put down, they said i dont need help with,

    >
    > >> Obviousely we will be going back to the cab on monday to see what to do
    > >> next, but it just seems weird how they have said i cant get it, due tonot
    > >> needing help with things on the form, when over half of them i do,

    >
    > > Not noticed them routinely refusing the first application for DLA. Is
    > > this something new in the last 4 weeks?

    >
    > > Martin<><

    >
    > There seems to be a trend that initial claims for DLA are often refused
    > then a second application is accepted. The failure rate for first claims
    > is well over 50%, for second applications the failure rate is less.
    >
    > The OP has two choices - appeal the decision or wait 6 months and
    > reapply if he thinks he does qualify.
    >
    > Incidentally DLA is being abolished in 2013 and is being replaced by a
    > new benefit called PIP! That stands for Personal Independence Payment.
    > In what seems like a move back to the old style Attendance Allowance
    > pre-DLA days, all initial claims except for terminally ill claimants
    > will require an ATOS medical before any decision on a claim can be made
    > and the lowest rate of the new style care component is being abolished
    > completely, removing the "cooking test" lowest rate payment that many
    > people currently receive.
    >
    > --
    > Robbie- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    If there is such a trend, then should the training of decision makers
    making first decisions therefore not be looked at?
    Or have they made a policy of turning down?

    Not noticed much change myself but I only help a few claim DLA each
    year these days.

    PIP? The old attendance allowance days (and mobility allowance while
    it was around) people used to complain bitterly taht they always had
    to have a medical. And how the doctor saw them on a good day, how the
    doctor saw them for only 10 minutes etc.
    So bringing in DLA it was basically self assessment - no need for a
    medical. And people complained bitterly that they had no medical, that
    no-one had seen their problems.

    Just can't win with people.

    Martin <><
     
    , Dec 19, 2010
    #4
  5. Gazz

    Robbie Guest

    wrote:
    > On Dec 19, 12:02 am, Robbie <> wrote:
    >> On 18/12/2010 16:07, wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> On Dec 18, 12:02 pm, "Gazz"<> wrote:
    >>>> Do they still routinely refuse the first application for DLA? or is that
    >>>> just a rumour by people who hate the system, and they are really very nice
    >>>> people with our best interests at heart... lol.
    >>>> Just my conditions have been getting steadily worse, so we were told to
    >>>> claim dla, as they rekoned we more than meet the criteria, and people with
    >>>> less problems get it (that was the cab welfare type bod, and the doctor
    >>>> agreed too)
    >>>> so put in an application, got help to fill it in at the cab, so hopefully
    >>>> put the right things in the boxes... like for hobbies, list nothing but
    >>>> breathing and farting, as owt else shows you have a life outside being
    >>>> misserable from your medical problems :)
    >>>> Got the refusal letter today, listed a lot of things saying stuff like 'you
    >>>> do no need help getting in or out of bed, or being re-positioned during the
    >>>> night, or help cooking a meal'
    >>>> even tho we told them i do need help with those things on the form,
    >>>> it's almost as if they were reading a blank application form, as almost
    >>>> everything that was put down, they said i dont need help with,
    >>>> Obviousely we will be going back to the cab on monday to see what to do
    >>>> next, but it just seems weird how they have said i cant get it, due to not
    >>>> needing help with things on the form, when over half of them i do,
    >>> Not noticed them routinely refusing the first application for DLA. Is
    >>> this something new in the last 4 weeks?
    >>> Martin<><

    >> There seems to be a trend that initial claims for DLA are often refused
    >> then a second application is accepted. The failure rate for first claims
    >> is well over 50%, for second applications the failure rate is less.
    >>
    >> The OP has two choices - appeal the decision or wait 6 months and
    >> reapply if he thinks he does qualify.
    >>
    >> Incidentally DLA is being abolished in 2013 and is being replaced by a
    >> new benefit called PIP! That stands for Personal Independence Payment.
    >> In what seems like a move back to the old style Attendance Allowance
    >> pre-DLA days, all initial claims except for terminally ill claimants
    >> will require an ATOS medical before any decision on a claim can be made
    >> and the lowest rate of the new style care component is being abolished
    >> completely, removing the "cooking test" lowest rate payment that many
    >> people currently receive.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
    >>
    >> - Show quoted text -

    >
    > If there is such a trend, then should the training of decision makers
    > making first decisions therefore not be looked at?
    > Or have they made a policy of turning down?
    >
    > Not noticed much change myself but I only help a few claim DLA each
    > year these days.
    >
    > PIP? The old attendance allowance days (and mobility allowance while
    > it was around) people used to complain bitterly taht they always had
    > to have a medical. And how the doctor saw them on a good day, how the
    > doctor saw them for only 10 minutes etc.
    > So bringing in DLA it was basically self assessment - no need for a
    > medical. And people complained bitterly that they had no medical, that
    > no-one had seen their problems.
    >
    > Just can't win with people.
    >
    > Martin <><


    The reason for(re)introducing the medical is that the Government have
    said that the amount of people claiming DLA is now reaching
    unsustainable levels with currently over 3 million awards (1.8m of which
    are made to people of working age) and the numbers are continuing to
    grow at a high rate. Two thirds of payments are indefinite awards,
    meaning no formal review procedure is factored into the claim. Not only
    are the Government bringing in the medical as the gateway to the new PIP
    benefit but almost everyone will have to be re-examined via another
    medical at a set point and indefinite awards will end. The intention is
    pretty obvious, to return to DLA award levels of the early 90s.

    As for DM training needs when deciding on first claims, this has been
    mentioned numerous times by disability organisations over the years
    given the fact that first claims do seem to have such a high failure
    rate (and a high appeal success rate) but nothing ever seems to have
    happened. Another Government proposal is that the PIP decision making
    process will be more transparent which should reduce inconsistencies. I
    imagine that just means turning down more people whether it is their
    first or subsequent claim!

    --
    Robbie
     
    Robbie, Dec 19, 2010
    #5
  6. Gazz

    Guest

    On Dec 19, 11:40 am, Robbie <> wrote:
    > wrote:
    > > On Dec 19, 12:02 am, Robbie <> wrote:
    > >> On 18/12/2010 16:07, wrote:

    >
    > >>> On Dec 18, 12:02 pm, "Gazz"<>  wrote:
    > >>>> Do they still routinely refuse the first application for DLA? or is that
    > >>>> just a rumour by people who hate the system, and they are really very nice
    > >>>> people with our best interests at heart... lol.
    > >>>> Just my conditions have been getting steadily worse, so we were toldto
    > >>>> claim dla, as they rekoned we more than meet the criteria, and people with
    > >>>> less problems get it (that was the cab welfare type bod, and the doctor
    > >>>> agreed too)
    > >>>> so put in an application, got help to fill it in at the cab, so hopefully
    > >>>> put the right things in the boxes... like for hobbies, list nothing but
    > >>>> breathing and farting, as owt else shows you have a life outside being
    > >>>> misserable from your medical problems :)
    > >>>> Got the refusal letter today, listed a lot of things saying stuff like 'you
    > >>>> do no need help getting in or out of bed, or being re-positioned during the
    > >>>> night, or help cooking a meal'
    > >>>> even tho we told them i do need help with those things on the form,
    > >>>> it's almost as if they were reading a blank application form, as almost
    > >>>> everything that was put down, they said i dont need help with,
    > >>>> Obviousely we will be going back to the cab on monday to see what todo
    > >>>> next, but it just seems weird how they have said i cant get it, due to not
    > >>>> needing help with things on the form, when over half of them i do,
    > >>> Not noticed them routinely refusing the first application for DLA. Is
    > >>> this something new in the last 4 weeks?
    > >>> Martin<><
    > >> There seems to be a trend that initial claims for DLA are often refused
    > >> then a second application is accepted. The failure rate for first claims
    > >> is well over 50%, for second applications the failure rate is less.

    >
    > >> The OP has two choices - appeal the decision or wait 6 months and
    > >> reapply if he thinks he does qualify.

    >
    > >> Incidentally DLA is being abolished in 2013 and is being replaced by a
    > >> new benefit called PIP! That stands for Personal Independence Payment.
    > >> In what seems like a move back to the old style Attendance Allowance
    > >> pre-DLA days, all initial claims except for terminally ill claimants
    > >> will require an ATOS medical before any decision on a claim can be made
    > >> and the lowest rate of the new style care component is being abolished
    > >> completely, removing the "cooking test" lowest rate payment that many
    > >> people currently receive.

    >
    > >> --
    > >> Robbie- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > >> - Show quoted text -

    >
    > > If there is such a trend, then should the training of decision makers
    > > making first decisions therefore not be looked at?
    > > Or have they made a policy of turning down?

    >
    > > Not noticed much change myself but I only help a few claim DLA each
    > > year these days.

    >
    > > PIP? The old attendance allowance days (and mobility allowance while
    > > it was around) people used to complain bitterly taht they always had
    > > to have a medical. And how the doctor saw them on a good day, how the
    > > doctor saw them for only 10 minutes etc.
    > > So bringing in DLA it was basically self assessment - no need for a
    > > medical. And people complained bitterly that they had no medical, that
    > > no-one had seen their problems.

    >
    > > Just can't win with people.

    >
    > > Martin  <><

    >
    > The reason for(re)introducing the medical is that the Government have
    > said that the amount of people claiming DLA is now reaching
    > unsustainable levels with currently over 3 million awards (1.8m of which
    > are made to people of working age) and the numbers are continuing to
    > grow at a high rate. Two thirds of payments are indefinite awards,
    > meaning no formal review procedure is factored into the claim. Not only
    > are the Government bringing in the medical as the gateway to the new PIP
    > benefit but almost everyone will have to be re-examined via another
    > medical at a set point and indefinite awards will end. The intention is
    > pretty obvious, to return to DLA award levels of the early 90s.
    >
    > As for DM training needs when deciding on first claims, this has been
    > mentioned numerous times by disability organisations over the years
    > given the fact that first claims do seem to have such a high failure
    > rate (and a high appeal success rate) but nothing ever seems to have
    > happened. Another Government proposal is that the PIP decision making
    > process will be more transparent which should reduce inconsistencies. I
    > imagine that just means turning down more people whether it is their
    > first or subsequent claim!
    >
    > --
    > Robbie- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    I get suspicious when government talk about transparency. Generally it
    means 'muddy the waters still more'.
    Its one of the more recent buzzwords, another year or two it will be
    replaced by something else. In the meantime it shows up in suprising
    places.

    The advantage of a medical, for all concerned, is that a medical
    professional records on a standard (ish) form the answers to certain
    questions - like 'How far can they walk?'.
    Disadvantages is cost, quality of medical professional (used to be
    masses of complaints against them in the early 1990s), and might see
    someone on a good day rather than a bad day.

    You wouldn't expect 3 million people to meet the rather limited
    criteria for DLA. Not sure there's even 3 million people in the UK who
    would be classed as disabled.
    And plenty who are disabled who don't meet DLA criteria.

    Martin <><
     
    , Dec 19, 2010
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  7. Gazz

    Ben Short Guest

    Mart

    My cousin worked for the DLA in Blackpool and they were told routinely to
    put new applications in the bin with a refusal letter. Some were not even
    opened and they were told to wait for the applicant to write in again asking
    about the first application. They said only 6 on average would redo their
    application.

    He is now no longer in their employment but told me on several occasion
    where they simply refused regardless. Quite often someone who has been
    refused will not reapply. Yes some will and some won't.

    Ben
    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    On Dec 19, 12:02 am, Robbie <> wrote:
    > On 18/12/2010 16:07, wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Dec 18, 12:02 pm, "Gazz"<> wrote:
    > >> Do they still routinely refuse the first application for DLA? or is
    > >> that
    > >> just a rumour by people who hate the system, and they are really very
    > >> nice
    > >> people with our best interests at heart... lol.

    >
    > >> Just my conditions have been getting steadily worse, so we were told to
    > >> claim dla, as they rekoned we more than meet the criteria, and people
    > >> with
    > >> less problems get it (that was the cab welfare type bod, and the doctor
    > >> agreed too)

    >
    > >> so put in an application, got help to fill it in at the cab, so
    > >> hopefully
    > >> put the right things in the boxes... like for hobbies, list nothing but
    > >> breathing and farting, as owt else shows you have a life outside being
    > >> misserable from your medical problems :)

    >
    > >> Got the refusal letter today, listed a lot of things saying stuff like
    > >> 'you
    > >> do no need help getting in or out of bed, or being re-positioned during
    > >> the
    > >> night, or help cooking a meal'
    > >> even tho we told them i do need help with those things on the form,

    >
    > >> it's almost as if they were reading a blank application form, as almost
    > >> everything that was put down, they said i dont need help with,

    >
    > >> Obviousely we will be going back to the cab on monday to see what to do
    > >> next, but it just seems weird how they have said i cant get it, due to
    > >> not
    > >> needing help with things on the form, when over half of them i do,

    >
    > > Not noticed them routinely refusing the first application for DLA. Is
    > > this something new in the last 4 weeks?

    >
    > > Martin<><

    >
    > There seems to be a trend that initial claims for DLA are often refused
    > then a second application is accepted. The failure rate for first claims
    > is well over 50%, for second applications the failure rate is less.
    >
    > The OP has two choices - appeal the decision or wait 6 months and
    > reapply if he thinks he does qualify.
    >
    > Incidentally DLA is being abolished in 2013 and is being replaced by a
    > new benefit called PIP! That stands for Personal Independence Payment.
    > In what seems like a move back to the old style Attendance Allowance
    > pre-DLA days, all initial claims except for terminally ill claimants
    > will require an ATOS medical before any decision on a claim can be made
    > and the lowest rate of the new style care component is being abolished
    > completely, removing the "cooking test" lowest rate payment that many
    > people currently receive.
    >
    > --
    > Robbie- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    If there is such a trend, then should the training of decision makers
    making first decisions therefore not be looked at?
    Or have they made a policy of turning down?

    Not noticed much change myself but I only help a few claim DLA each
    year these days.

    PIP? The old attendance allowance days (and mobility allowance while
    it was around) people used to complain bitterly taht they always had
    to have a medical. And how the doctor saw them on a good day, how the
    doctor saw them for only 10 minutes etc.
    So bringing in DLA it was basically self assessment - no need for a
    medical. And people complained bitterly that they had no medical, that
    no-one had seen their problems.

    Just can't win with people.

    Martin <><
     
    Ben Short, Jan 9, 2011
    #7
  8. Gazz

    Niteawk Guest

    "Ben Short" <> wrote in message
    news:igb1if$he2$-september.org...
    > Mart
    >
    > My cousin worked for the DLA in Blackpool and they were told routinely to
    > put new applications in the bin with a refusal letter. Some were not even
    > opened and they were told to wait for the applicant to write in again
    > asking about the first application. They said only 6 on average would redo
    > their application.
    >
    > He is now no longer in their employment but told me on several occasion
    > where they simply refused regardless. Quite often someone who has been
    > refused will not reapply. Yes some will and some won't.
    >
    > Ben



    Thats why I always make several copies, and when applying, I will send in 3
    copies. One for them to lose, one to ignore and one to acknowledge. ;)
     
    Niteawk, Jan 9, 2011
    #8
  9. Gazz

    Guest

    On Jan 9, 1:04 am, "Ben Short" <> wrote:
    > Mart
    >
    > My cousin worked for the DLA in Blackpool and they were told routinely to
    > put new applications in the bin with a refusal letter. Some were not even
    > opened and they were told to wait for the applicant to write in again asking
    > about the first application. They said only 6 on average would redo their
    > application.
    >
    > He is now no longer in their employment but told me on several occasion
    > where they simply refused regardless. Quite often someone who has been
    > refused will not reapply. Yes some will and some won't.
    >
    > Ben<> wrote in message
    >


    I spent 4 years at DLA in Blackpool, back when we first moved into
    Warbreck House.
    We were snowed under with work, unlimited overtime for years. We
    weren't told to bin claims, though at one point the adjudication
    officers
    were told to award for a year as an award was far quicker to do a
    letter for than a rejection.
    Got through work quickly but caused problems for years down the line,
    as people who had been awarded once could not accept that later they
    weren't entitled. When in reality they weren't entitled anyway, just
    awarded for a year to satisfy the civil service desire to meet
    targets.

    My wife recently applied for DLA, turned down and now going through
    appeal. Had a letter saying the appeal will probably be July before
    its heard. Claimed near the start of last year.....


    Martin <><
     
    , Jan 9, 2011
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