ESA appeal & cold weather payments?

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  1. Niteawk

    Niteawk Guest

    8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not been given a
    date for a tribunal hearing.

    As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?
     
    Niteawk, Jan 9, 2010
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    Robbie Guest

    Niteawk wrote:
    > 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not been given a
    > date for a tribunal hearing.
    >
    > As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?


    You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the "main phase"
    of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences after you are into
    your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then you are in an "assessment
    phase" and you will remain in that phase until your appeal is heard. In
    a way, and pardon the pun, you are frozen into that phase until the
    appeal is heard.
     
    Robbie, Jan 9, 2010
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    "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Niteawk wrote:
    >> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not been given a
    >> date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>
    >> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?

    >
    > You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the "main phase"
    > of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences after you are into
    > your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then you are in an "assessment
    > phase" and you will remain in that phase until your appeal is heard. In a
    > way, and pardon the pun, you are frozen into that phase until the appeal
    > is heard.


    Oh well, shit happens.

    I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from 2005 to
    2008, I am one year short of full pension payment apparently. WTF is that
    about? I was signing the dole for that period, and should have my NIC's
    paid. JC staff fking about again methinks.

    Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to get a full
    pension.
     
    Niteawk, Jan 9, 2010
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  4. Niteawk

    Robbie Guest

    Niteawk wrote:
    >
    > "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Niteawk wrote:
    >>> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not been
    >>> given a date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>>
    >>> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?

    >>
    >> You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the "main
    >> phase" of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences after you
    >> are into your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then you are in an
    >> "assessment phase" and you will remain in that phase until your appeal
    >> is heard. In a way, and pardon the pun, you are frozen into that phase
    >> until the appeal is heard.

    >
    > Oh well, shit happens.
    >
    > I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from 2005 to
    > 2008, I am one year short of full pension payment apparently. WTF is
    > that about? I was signing the dole for that period, and should have my
    > NIC's paid. JC staff fking about again methinks.
    >
    > Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to get a
    > full pension.


    If you turn 65 after April this year (2010) you don't need to worry as
    the qualifying period for a full pension changes. It is changing to 30
    years of your adult working life, from the current 44 (?) years for a
    man. I think you will have nothing to worry about, though I can't say
    this with 100% certainty (Mike should know this more than I will).
     
    Robbie, Jan 9, 2010
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  5. Niteawk

    Niteawk Guest

    "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Niteawk wrote:
    >>
    >> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not been given
    >>>> a date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>>>
    >>>> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?
    >>>
    >>> You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the "main phase"
    >>> of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences after you are into
    >>> your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then you are in an "assessment
    >>> phase" and you will remain in that phase until your appeal is heard. In
    >>> a way, and pardon the pun, you are frozen into that phase until the
    >>> appeal is heard.

    >>
    >> Oh well, shit happens.
    >>
    >> I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from 2005 to
    >> 2008, I am one year short of full pension payment apparently. WTF is that
    >> about? I was signing the dole for that period, and should have my NIC's
    >> paid. JC staff fking about again methinks.
    >>
    >> Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to get a full
    >> pension.

    >
    > If you turn 65 after April this year (2010) you don't need to worry as the
    > qualifying period for a full pension changes. It is changing to 30 years
    > of your adult working life, from the current 44 (?) years for a man. I
    > think you will have nothing to worry about, though I can't say this with
    > 100% certainty (Mike should know this more than I will).



    I dont unfortunately, they say I have 29 yrs. The only reason they are doing
    that I suppose is to stop people claiming social.
     
    Niteawk, Jan 9, 2010
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  6. Niteawk

    Robbie Guest

    Niteawk wrote:
    >
    > "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>
    >>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not been
    >>>>> given a date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?
    >>>>
    >>>> You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the "main
    >>>> phase" of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences after you
    >>>> are into your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then you are in an
    >>>> "assessment phase" and you will remain in that phase until your
    >>>> appeal is heard. In a way, and pardon the pun, you are frozen into
    >>>> that phase until the appeal is heard.
    >>>
    >>> Oh well, shit happens.
    >>>
    >>> I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from 2005
    >>> to 2008, I am one year short of full pension payment apparently. WTF
    >>> is that about? I was signing the dole for that period, and should
    >>> have my NIC's paid. JC staff fking about again methinks.
    >>>
    >>> Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to get a
    >>> full pension.

    >>
    >> If you turn 65 after April this year (2010) you don't need to worry as
    >> the qualifying period for a full pension changes. It is changing to 30
    >> years of your adult working life, from the current 44 (?) years for a
    >> man. I think you will have nothing to worry about, though I can't say
    >> this with 100% certainty (Mike should know this more than I will).

    >
    >
    > I dont unfortunately, they say I have 29 yrs. The only reason they are
    > doing that I suppose is to stop people claiming social.


    But you're not 64? If so, you will be OK, you will fulfill the
    conditions for a full pension when you reach retirement age.

    One year off full contributions is only 1/44 at current rules, it
    amounts to next to nothing, less than £2.50 a week I think. Unless you
    are a millionaire it won't affect you much...
     
    Robbie, Jan 9, 2010
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  7. "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Niteawk wrote:
    >>
    >> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not been
    >>>>>> given a date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the "main
    >>>>> phase" of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences after you
    >>>>> are into your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then you are in an
    >>>>> "assessment phase" and you will remain in that phase until your appeal
    >>>>> is heard. In a way, and pardon the pun, you are frozen into that phase
    >>>>> until the appeal is heard.
    >>>>
    >>>> Oh well, shit happens.
    >>>>
    >>>> I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from 2005 to
    >>>> 2008, I am one year short of full pension payment apparently. WTF is
    >>>> that about? I was signing the dole for that period, and should have my
    >>>> NIC's paid. JC staff fking about again methinks.
    >>>>
    >>>> Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to get a
    >>>> full pension.
    >>>
    >>> If you turn 65 after April this year (2010) you don't need to worry as
    >>> the qualifying period for a full pension changes. It is changing to 30
    >>> years of your adult working life, from the current 44 (?) years for a
    >>> man. I think you will have nothing to worry about, though I can't say
    >>> this with 100% certainty (Mike should know this more than I will).

    >>
    >>
    >> I dont unfortunately, they say I have 29 yrs. The only reason they are
    >> doing that I suppose is to stop people claiming social.

    >
    > But you're not 64? If so, you will be OK, you will fulfill the conditions
    > for a full pension when you reach retirement age.
    >

    I hope Niteawk is not even over 60, because if he is, he should probably be
    on Pension Credits, not waiting for an ESA appeal, but the DWP would have
    told him this, wouldn't they?
    Have we been suffering for months when the obvious has been overlooked ;-)
     
    Harry Stottle, Jan 10, 2010
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  8. Niteawk

    Robbie Guest

    Harry Stottle wrote:
    > "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>
    >>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:...
    >>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not been
    >>>>>>> given a date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the "main
    >>>>>> phase" of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences after
    >>>>>> you are into your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then you are
    >>>>>> in an "assessment phase" and you will remain in that phase until
    >>>>>> your appeal is heard. In a way, and pardon the pun, you are frozen
    >>>>>> into that phase until the appeal is heard.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Oh well, shit happens.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from
    >>>>> 2005 to 2008, I am one year short of full pension payment
    >>>>> apparently. WTF is that about? I was signing the dole for that
    >>>>> period, and should have my NIC's paid. JC staff fking about again
    >>>>> methinks.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to get
    >>>>> a full pension.
    >>>>
    >>>> If you turn 65 after April this year (2010) you don't need to worry
    >>>> as the qualifying period for a full pension changes. It is changing
    >>>> to 30 years of your adult working life, from the current 44 (?)
    >>>> years for a man. I think you will have nothing to worry about,
    >>>> though I can't say this with 100% certainty (Mike should know this
    >>>> more than I will).
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I dont unfortunately, they say I have 29 yrs. The only reason they
    >>> are doing that I suppose is to stop people claiming social.

    >>
    >> But you're not 64? If so, you will be OK, you will fulfill the
    >> conditions for a full pension when you reach retirement age.
    >>

    > I hope Niteawk is not even over 60, because if he is, he should probably
    > be on Pension Credits, not waiting for an ESA appeal, but the DWP would
    > have told him this, wouldn't they?
    > Have we been suffering for months when the obvious has been overlooked ;-)


    Indeed! I'm guessing he hasn't quite turned 60 yet...
     
    Robbie, Jan 10, 2010
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  9. Niteawk

    Niteawk Guest

    "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Harry Stottle wrote:
    >> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not been
    >>>>>>>> given a date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the "main
    >>>>>>> phase" of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences after you
    >>>>>>> are into your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then you are in an
    >>>>>>> "assessment phase" and you will remain in that phase until your
    >>>>>>> appeal is heard. In a way, and pardon the pun, you are frozen into
    >>>>>>> that phase until the appeal is heard.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Oh well, shit happens.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from 2005
    >>>>>> to 2008, I am one year short of full pension payment apparently. WTF
    >>>>>> is that about? I was signing the dole for that period, and should
    >>>>>> have my NIC's paid. JC staff fking about again methinks.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to get a
    >>>>>> full pension.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If you turn 65 after April this year (2010) you don't need to worry as
    >>>>> the qualifying period for a full pension changes. It is changing to 30
    >>>>> years of your adult working life, from the current 44 (?) years for a
    >>>>> man. I think you will have nothing to worry about, though I can't say
    >>>>> this with 100% certainty (Mike should know this more than I will).
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I dont unfortunately, they say I have 29 yrs. The only reason they are
    >>>> doing that I suppose is to stop people claiming social.
    >>>
    >>> But you're not 64? If so, you will be OK, you will fulfill the
    >>> conditions for a full pension when you reach retirement age.
    >>>

    >> I hope Niteawk is not even over 60, because if he is, he should probably
    >> be on Pension Credits, not waiting for an ESA appeal, but the DWP would
    >> have told him this, wouldn't they?
    >> Have we been suffering for months when the obvious has been overlooked
    >> ;-)

    >
    > Indeed! I'm guessing he hasn't quite turned 60 yet...


    Unforunately I am well short of the 60 mark, at least it shows I have worked
    most of my life, its only since the country has been fcked up by our looney
    government allowing every one in, that I have not been able to get a
    worthwhile job. The irony of that is, you dont need a passport to get here
    but the bastards expect you to pay through the nose for some biometric shite
    if you want to leave.

    Still no date for my tribunal, my GP never seems happy writing out certs, I
    must go back again in 2 weeks time as I have only been signed off for
    another 4 weeks. Why the hell dont they sign people off for 6 months, whats
    going on there? Why are doctors prepared to waste time like that, I think
    she could sign me off permanently if she wanted to, or have GP's been
    nobbled by the government.

    Anyway she knows I am appealing against a decision for ESA, yet seems quite
    happy to **** about writing out certs for 4 weeks, sometimes 8 weeks until
    my appeal date comes round. I cant help but think there is something not
    right with this situation.
     
    Niteawk, Jan 11, 2010
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  10. Niteawk

    Guest

    On 11 Jan, 03:52, "Niteawk" <> wrote:
    <snipped>
    >
    > Unforunately I am well short of the 60 mark, at least it shows I have worked
    > most of my life, its only since the  country has been fcked up by our looney
    > government allowing every one in, that I have not been able to get a
    > worthwhile job. The irony of that is, you dont need a passport to get here
    > but the bastards expect you to pay through the nose for some biometric shite
    > if you want to leave.
    >
    > Still no date for my tribunal, my GP never seems happy writing out certs,I
    > must go back again in 2 weeks time as I have only been signed off for
    > another 4 weeks. Why the hell dont they sign people off for 6 months, whats
    > going on there? Why are doctors prepared to waste time like that, I think
    > she could sign me off permanently if she wanted to, or have GP's been
    > nobbled by the government.
    >
    > Anyway she knows I am appealing against a decision for ESA, yet seems quite
    > happy to **** about writing out certs for 4 weeks, sometimes 8 weeks until
    > my appeal date comes round. I cant help but think there is something not
    > right with this situation.- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    Why would she want to sign you off permanently?

    Martin <><
     
    , Jan 11, 2010
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  11. Niteawk

    Robbie Guest

    On 11/01/2010 03:52, Niteawk wrote:
    >
    > "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> Harry Stottle wrote:
    >>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:...
    >>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not
    >>>>>>>>> been given a date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the
    >>>>>>>> "main phase" of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences
    >>>>>>>> after you are into your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then
    >>>>>>>> you are in an "assessment phase" and you will remain in that
    >>>>>>>> phase until your appeal is heard. In a way, and pardon the pun,
    >>>>>>>> you are frozen into that phase until the appeal is heard.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Oh well, shit happens.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from
    >>>>>>> 2005 to 2008, I am one year short of full pension payment
    >>>>>>> apparently. WTF is that about? I was signing the dole for that
    >>>>>>> period, and should have my NIC's paid. JC staff fking about again
    >>>>>>> methinks.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to
    >>>>>>> get a full pension.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> If you turn 65 after April this year (2010) you don't need to
    >>>>>> worry as the qualifying period for a full pension changes. It is
    >>>>>> changing to 30 years of your adult working life, from the current
    >>>>>> 44 (?) years for a man. I think you will have nothing to worry
    >>>>>> about, though I can't say this with 100% certainty (Mike should
    >>>>>> know this more than I will).
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I dont unfortunately, they say I have 29 yrs. The only reason they
    >>>>> are doing that I suppose is to stop people claiming social.
    >>>>
    >>>> But you're not 64? If so, you will be OK, you will fulfill the
    >>>> conditions for a full pension when you reach retirement age.
    >>>>
    >>> I hope Niteawk is not even over 60, because if he is, he should
    >>> probably be on Pension Credits, not waiting for an ESA appeal, but
    >>> the DWP would have told him this, wouldn't they?
    >>> Have we been suffering for months when the obvious has been
    >>> overlooked ;-)

    >>
    >> Indeed! I'm guessing he hasn't quite turned 60 yet...

    >
    > Unforunately I am well short of the 60 mark, at least it shows I have
    > worked most of my life, its only since the country has been fcked up by
    > our looney government allowing every one in, that I have not been able
    > to get a worthwhile job. The irony of that is, you dont need a passport
    > to get here but the bastards expect you to pay through the nose for some
    > biometric shite if you want to leave.
    >
    > Still no date for my tribunal, my GP never seems happy writing out
    > certs, I must go back again in 2 weeks time as I have only been signed
    > off for another 4 weeks. Why the hell dont they sign people off for 6
    > months, whats going on there? Why are doctors prepared to waste time
    > like that, I think she could sign me off permanently if she wanted to,
    > or have GP's been nobbled by the government.
    >
    > Anyway she knows I am appealing against a decision for ESA, yet seems
    > quite happy to **** about writing out certs for 4 weeks, sometimes 8
    > weeks until my appeal date comes round. I cant help but think there is
    > something not right with this situation.


    Why should she sign you off permanently? You've only been on the sick in
    the past year and it's unlikely you have a permanently disabling
    condition. Your GP could refuse to give you a sick note if she wanted
    to. She also has to follow guidance from the Department of Health about
    how long she can issue a note for and she obviously doesn't believe you
    will be forever incapable of working She's a GP and not just a passport
    to benefits which is all you want her to be by giving you a longer cert.
     
    Robbie, Jan 11, 2010
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  12. Niteawk

    Niteawk Guest

    "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On 11/01/2010 03:52, Niteawk wrote:
    >>
    >> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> Harry Stottle wrote:
    >>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not
    >>>>>>>>>> been given a date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the
    >>>>>>>>> "main phase" of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences
    >>>>>>>>> after you are into your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then
    >>>>>>>>> you are in an "assessment phase" and you will remain in that
    >>>>>>>>> phase until your appeal is heard. In a way, and pardon the pun,
    >>>>>>>>> you are frozen into that phase until the appeal is heard.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Oh well, shit happens.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from
    >>>>>>>> 2005 to 2008, I am one year short of full pension payment
    >>>>>>>> apparently. WTF is that about? I was signing the dole for that
    >>>>>>>> period, and should have my NIC's paid. JC staff fking about again
    >>>>>>>> methinks.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to
    >>>>>>>> get a full pension.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> If you turn 65 after April this year (2010) you don't need to
    >>>>>>> worry as the qualifying period for a full pension changes. It is
    >>>>>>> changing to 30 years of your adult working life, from the current
    >>>>>>> 44 (?) years for a man. I think you will have nothing to worry
    >>>>>>> about, though I can't say this with 100% certainty (Mike should
    >>>>>>> know this more than I will).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I dont unfortunately, they say I have 29 yrs. The only reason they
    >>>>>> are doing that I suppose is to stop people claiming social.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> But you're not 64? If so, you will be OK, you will fulfill the
    >>>>> conditions for a full pension when you reach retirement age.
    >>>>>
    >>>> I hope Niteawk is not even over 60, because if he is, he should
    >>>> probably be on Pension Credits, not waiting for an ESA appeal, but
    >>>> the DWP would have told him this, wouldn't they?
    >>>> Have we been suffering for months when the obvious has been
    >>>> overlooked ;-)
    >>>
    >>> Indeed! I'm guessing he hasn't quite turned 60 yet...

    >>
    >> Unforunately I am well short of the 60 mark, at least it shows I have
    >> worked most of my life, its only since the country has been fcked up by
    >> our looney government allowing every one in, that I have not been able
    >> to get a worthwhile job. The irony of that is, you dont need a passport
    >> to get here but the bastards expect you to pay through the nose for some
    >> biometric shite if you want to leave.
    >>
    >> Still no date for my tribunal, my GP never seems happy writing out
    >> certs, I must go back again in 2 weeks time as I have only been signed
    >> off for another 4 weeks. Why the hell dont they sign people off for 6
    >> months, whats going on there? Why are doctors prepared to waste time
    >> like that, I think she could sign me off permanently if she wanted to,
    >> or have GP's been nobbled by the government.
    >>
    >> Anyway she knows I am appealing against a decision for ESA, yet seems
    >> quite happy to **** about writing out certs for 4 weeks, sometimes 8
    >> weeks until my appeal date comes round. I cant help but think there is
    >> something not right with this situation.

    >
    > Why should she sign you off permanently? You've only been on the sick in
    > the past year and it's unlikely you have a permanently disabling
    > condition. Your GP could refuse to give you a sick note if she wanted to.
    > She also has to follow guidance from the Department of Health about how
    > long she can issue a note for and she obviously doesn't believe you will
    > be forever incapable of working. She's a GP and not just a passport to
    > benefits which is all you want her to be by giving you a longer cert.



    Why does she keep giving me sick notes then? I expect the medical profession
    to show some intelligence when it comes to dealing with patients like me. I
    think you are right, she is following guide lines from the health dept, this
    is their idea of saving the NHS money. Using GP's to keep people on pills
    instead of sending them to hospital for the operations they need, and the
    reason why she keeps giving me certs, its cheaper for them to treat people
    like this.
     
    Niteawk, Jan 11, 2010
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  13. Niteawk

    Robbie Guest

    Niteawk wrote:
    >
    > "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On 11/01/2010 03:52, Niteawk wrote:
    >>>
    >>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>> Harry Stottle wrote:
    >>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:...
    >>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not
    >>>>>>>>>>> been given a date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the
    >>>>>>>>>> "main phase" of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences
    >>>>>>>>>> after you are into your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then
    >>>>>>>>>> you are in an "assessment phase" and you will remain in that
    >>>>>>>>>> phase until your appeal is heard. In a way, and pardon the pun,
    >>>>>>>>>> you are frozen into that phase until the appeal is heard.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Oh well, shit happens.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from
    >>>>>>>>> 2005 to 2008, I am one year short of full pension payment
    >>>>>>>>> apparently. WTF is that about? I was signing the dole for that
    >>>>>>>>> period, and should have my NIC's paid. JC staff fking about again
    >>>>>>>>> methinks.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to
    >>>>>>>>> get a full pension.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> If you turn 65 after April this year (2010) you don't need to
    >>>>>>>> worry as the qualifying period for a full pension changes. It is
    >>>>>>>> changing to 30 years of your adult working life, from the current
    >>>>>>>> 44 (?) years for a man. I think you will have nothing to worry
    >>>>>>>> about, though I can't say this with 100% certainty (Mike should
    >>>>>>>> know this more than I will).
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I dont unfortunately, they say I have 29 yrs. The only reason they
    >>>>>>> are doing that I suppose is to stop people claiming social.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> But you're not 64? If so, you will be OK, you will fulfill the
    >>>>>> conditions for a full pension when you reach retirement age.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> I hope Niteawk is not even over 60, because if he is, he should
    >>>>> probably be on Pension Credits, not waiting for an ESA appeal, but
    >>>>> the DWP would have told him this, wouldn't they?
    >>>>> Have we been suffering for months when the obvious has been
    >>>>> overlooked ;-)
    >>>>
    >>>> Indeed! I'm guessing he hasn't quite turned 60 yet...
    >>>
    >>> Unforunately I am well short of the 60 mark, at least it shows I have
    >>> worked most of my life, its only since the country has been fcked up by
    >>> our looney government allowing every one in, that I have not been able
    >>> to get a worthwhile job. The irony of that is, you dont need a passport
    >>> to get here but the bastards expect you to pay through the nose for some
    >>> biometric shite if you want to leave.
    >>>
    >>> Still no date for my tribunal, my GP never seems happy writing out
    >>> certs, I must go back again in 2 weeks time as I have only been signed
    >>> off for another 4 weeks. Why the hell dont they sign people off for 6
    >>> months, whats going on there? Why are doctors prepared to waste time
    >>> like that, I think she could sign me off permanently if she wanted to,
    >>> or have GP's been nobbled by the government.
    >>>
    >>> Anyway she knows I am appealing against a decision for ESA, yet seems
    >>> quite happy to **** about writing out certs for 4 weeks, sometimes 8
    >>> weeks until my appeal date comes round. I cant help but think there is
    >>> something not right with this situation.

    >>
    >> Why should she sign you off permanently? You've only been on the sick
    >> in the past year and it's unlikely you have a permanently disabling
    >> condition. Your GP could refuse to give you a sick note if she wanted
    >> to. She also has to follow guidance from the Department of Health
    >> about how long she can issue a note for and she obviously doesn't
    >> believe you will be forever incapable of working. She's a GP and not
    >> just a passport to benefits which is all you want her to be by giving
    >> you a longer cert.

    >
    >
    > Why does she keep giving me sick notes then?


    Perhaps she feels under pressure to have to do so. Sje knows you only
    want a sick note while you're pursuing your appeal: if you win then she
    doesn't have to give you anymore. if you lose then the med certs have no
    value to you getting any further benefit. She will have other patients
    in the same position as you and she probably can't be bothered with all
    the hassle refusing to issue a cert would bring.

    I expect the medical
    > profession to show some intelligence when it comes to dealing with
    > patients like me.


    She could just strike you off her list if you start getting stroppy with
    her. Again, you're making out that someone else - this time your GP - is
    causing you hassle. It's all because they are putting slight obstacles
    (in her case, you making an appointment to see her every 28 days) in the
    way of you getting your own way over everything.

    I think you are right, she is following guide lines
    > from the health dept, this is their idea of saving the NHS money.


    The guidelines have existed for many years. Back to the 1940s in fact. A
    first sick note can only be for a maximum length of time, then it's
    usually 28 days at a time unless they know in advance the exact date you
    may be fit for work once again. Longer certs eg 6 months or even open
    ended ones, are not for someone in your position. Be happy she even
    gives you a cert. Some people are pursuing appeals against ESA without a
    cert from their Doctor because the Doctor has refused to issue one and
    are having to sign on. That could have been you. But it's not good
    enough for you that it's not the case - you now want the Doctor to issue
    a sick note that suits you.

    Using
    > GP's to keep people on pills instead of sending them to hospital for the
    > operations they need, and the reason why she keeps giving me certs, its
    > cheaper for them to treat people like this.


    Oh, stop feeling sorry for yourself and thinking everyone is against you
    or doing things to get your back up. You sound so pitiful. She probably
    can't find much wrong with you. You're just an awkward sod who wants to
    pick fights all the time. Pick one with your GP and unlike the DWP - who
    have no choice but to deal with you - she doesn't have to bother with
    you. She can tell you to shut the door on the way out and then strike
    you off her list.

    For once, be grateful to someone you have to deal with.
    >
    >
    >
     
    Robbie, Jan 11, 2010
    #13
  14. Niteawk

    Niteawk Guest

    "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > Niteawk wrote:
    >>
    >> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> On 11/01/2010 03:52, Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:...
    >>>>> Harry Stottle wrote:
    >>>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> "Robbie" <> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>> news:...
    >>>>>>>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>>>> 8 months have passed since I appealed, and I still have not
    >>>>>>>>>>>> been given a date for a tribunal hearing.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> As I am on the sick, do I qualify for cold weather payments?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> You don't as entitlement to a CWP requires you to be in the
    >>>>>>>>>>> "main phase" of your ESA claim and the main phase only commences
    >>>>>>>>>>> after you are into your 92nd day of your ESA claim. Until then
    >>>>>>>>>>> you are in an "assessment phase" and you will remain in that
    >>>>>>>>>>> phase until your appeal is heard. In a way, and pardon the pun,
    >>>>>>>>>>> you are frozen into that phase until the appeal is heard.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Oh well, shit happens.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I got a letter from HMRC saying there is a gap in my NIC's from
    >>>>>>>>>> 2005 to 2008, I am one year short of full pension payment
    >>>>>>>>>> apparently. WTF is that about? I was signing the dole for that
    >>>>>>>>>> period, and should have my NIC's paid. JC staff fking about again
    >>>>>>>>>> methinks.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Anyone know anything about this? fcked if I am paying £7.75 to
    >>>>>>>>>> get a full pension.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> If you turn 65 after April this year (2010) you don't need to
    >>>>>>>>> worry as the qualifying period for a full pension changes. It is
    >>>>>>>>> changing to 30 years of your adult working life, from the current
    >>>>>>>>> 44 (?) years for a man. I think you will have nothing to worry
    >>>>>>>>> about, though I can't say this with 100% certainty (Mike should
    >>>>>>>>> know this more than I will).
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I dont unfortunately, they say I have 29 yrs. The only reason they
    >>>>>>>> are doing that I suppose is to stop people claiming social.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> But you're not 64? If so, you will be OK, you will fulfill the
    >>>>>>> conditions for a full pension when you reach retirement age.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>> I hope Niteawk is not even over 60, because if he is, he should
    >>>>>> probably be on Pension Credits, not waiting for an ESA appeal, but
    >>>>>> the DWP would have told him this, wouldn't they?
    >>>>>> Have we been suffering for months when the obvious has been
    >>>>>> overlooked ;-)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Indeed! I'm guessing he hasn't quite turned 60 yet...
    >>>>
    >>>> Unforunately I am well short of the 60 mark, at least it shows I have
    >>>> worked most of my life, its only since the country has been fcked up by
    >>>> our looney government allowing every one in, that I have not been able
    >>>> to get a worthwhile job. The irony of that is, you dont need a passport
    >>>> to get here but the bastards expect you to pay through the nose for
    >>>> some
    >>>> biometric shite if you want to leave.
    >>>>
    >>>> Still no date for my tribunal, my GP never seems happy writing out
    >>>> certs, I must go back again in 2 weeks time as I have only been signed
    >>>> off for another 4 weeks. Why the hell dont they sign people off for 6
    >>>> months, whats going on there? Why are doctors prepared to waste time
    >>>> like that, I think she could sign me off permanently if she wanted to,
    >>>> or have GP's been nobbled by the government.
    >>>>
    >>>> Anyway she knows I am appealing against a decision for ESA, yet seems
    >>>> quite happy to **** about writing out certs for 4 weeks, sometimes 8
    >>>> weeks until my appeal date comes round. I cant help but think there is
    >>>> something not right with this situation.
    >>>
    >>> Why should she sign you off permanently? You've only been on the sick in
    >>> the past year and it's unlikely you have a permanently disabling
    >>> condition. Your GP could refuse to give you a sick note if she wanted
    >>> to. She also has to follow guidance from the Department of Health about
    >>> how long she can issue a note for and she obviously doesn't believe you
    >>> will be forever incapable of working. She's a GP and not just a passport
    >>> to benefits which is all you want her to be by giving you a longer cert.

    >>
    >>
    >> Why does she keep giving me sick notes then?

    >
    > Perhaps she feels under pressure to have to do so. Sje knows you only want
    > a sick note while you're pursuing your appeal: if you win then she doesn't
    > have to give you anymore. if you lose then the med certs have no value to
    > you getting any further benefit. She will have other patients in the same
    > position as you and she probably can't be bothered with all the hassle
    > refusing to issue a cert would bring.



    You posed a question that you cant answer. I can tell you why she has to
    give me a cert, basically she knows I am not fit to work. But twats from the
    DWP are trying to ignore that fact, so she continues to give me certs based
    on my current condition.



    >
    > I expect the medical
    >> profession to show some intelligence when it comes to dealing with
    >> patients like me.

    >
    > She could just strike you off her list if you start getting stroppy with
    > her. Again, you're making out that someone else - this time your GP - is
    > causing you hassle. It's all because they are putting slight obstacles (in
    > her case, you making an appointment to see her every 28 days) in the way
    > of you getting your own way over everything.


    That is one of the symptoms of my condition, I see people as a threat,
    sometimes I feel everyone is a threat, I might actually do harm to someone
    if they put me in what I consider to be a difficult situation. I only feel
    relatively safe if I have a weapon to protect myself.


    >
    > I think you are right, she is following guide lines
    >> from the health dept, this is their idea of saving the NHS money.

    >
    > The guidelines have existed for many years. Back to the 1940s in fact. A
    > first sick note can only be for a maximum length of time, then it's
    > usually 28 days at a time unless they know in advance the exact date you
    > may be fit for work once again. Longer certs eg 6 months or even open
    > ended ones, are not for someone in your position. Be happy she even gives
    > you a cert. Some people are pursuing appeals against ESA without a cert
    > from their Doctor because the Doctor has refused to issue one and are
    > having to sign on. That could have been you. But it's not good enough for
    > you that it's not the case - you now want the Doctor to issue a sick note
    > that suits you.
    >


    Well if their GP thinks they are fit to work, there is no need to issue them
    with a cert. My GP knows I am not fit to work, my medical history goes back
    a long way, so cant be ignored just like that. Even the DVLA has been
    notified about me, due to my condition I may have to take a medical to renew
    my driving licence or it might not be renewed at all. Even when in work over
    the years, I was off sick fairly regularly, so plenty of evidence to show in
    my case.




    > Using
    >> GP's to keep people on pills instead of sending them to hospital for the
    >> operations they need, and the reason why she keeps giving me certs, its
    >> cheaper for them to treat people like this.

    >
    > Oh, stop feeling sorry for yourself and thinking everyone is against you
    > or doing things to get your back up. You sound so pitiful. She probably
    > can't find much wrong with you. You're just an awkward sod who wants to
    > pick fights all the time. Pick one with your GP and unlike the DWP - who
    > have no choice but to deal with you - she doesn't have to bother with you.
    > She can tell you to shut the door on the way out and then strike you off
    > her list.
    >


    Yeah yeah yeah, BS Mr Hann man.


    > For once, be grateful to someone you have to deal with.


    That is the whole point, I dont want to deal with anyone, they are driving
    me mad. Whatever happened to H&S, I am sure those people would not want to
    deal with me if they knew the risks they were taking, I am actually
    surprised I have not been sectioned, but then that costs money which the NHS
    does not have, just another example of the crazy system we have to put up
    with ;)
     
    Niteawk, Jan 11, 2010
    #14
  15. Niteawk

    Guest

    On 11 Jan, 15:29, "Niteawk" <> wrote:
    <snipped>
    >
    > > Why should she sign you off permanently? You've only been on the sick in
    > > the past year and it's unlikely you have a permanently disabling
    > > condition. Your GP could refuse to give you a sick note if she wanted to.
    > > She also has to follow guidance from the Department of Health about how
    > > long she can issue a note for and she obviously doesn't believe you will
    > > be forever incapable of working. She's a GP and not just a passport to
    > > benefits which is all you want her to be by giving you a longer cert.

    >
    > Why does she keep giving me sick notes then? I expect the medical profession
    > to show some intelligence when it comes to dealing with patients like me. I
    > think you are right, she is following guide lines from the health dept, this
    > is their idea of saving the NHS money. Using GP's to keep people on pills
    > instead of sending them to hospital for the operations they need, and the
    > reason why she keeps giving me certs, its cheaper for them to treat people
    > like this.- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    So are you wanting her to give you sick notes or not?
    If you want her to show some intelligence in dealing with patients
    like you, is that to stop you having sick notes for malingering? Or to
    give sick notes for genuine illness?

    Most doctors will try to get to the root of a problem, though waiting
    lists can be longer than a year for some issues.....

    Martin <><
     
    , Jan 12, 2010
    #15
  16. Niteawk

    Guest

    On 11 Jan, 19:11, "Niteawk" <> wrote:
    <snipped>
    >
    > You posed a question that you cant answer. I can tell you why she has to
    > give me a cert, basically she knows I am not fit to work. But twats from the
    > DWP are trying to ignore that fact, so she continues to give me certs based
    > on my current condition.
    >
    >
    ><snipped>


    She will know no such thing about you, without tests or psychological
    reports.

    Doctors have to go on the facts - often the initial source of facts
    (or fiction) is the patient.
    She won't have a clue about your fitness to work without taking a lot
    more time and possibly having a lot more specialisation than GPs
    usually have.

    So, what are you going to do when the tribunal decides the DWP are
    correct? DWP aren't always wrong.

    Funny really, when they give people exactly what they want they are
    making correct decisions and can do no wrong. When they don't give
    people what they want they suddenly cannot make correct decisions and
    are seen as a load of tossers, twats, SS, prison guards and any other
    insult someone can come up with.
    Yet the same people making those decisions either way. With the same
    training, the same guidelines. Go figure. :)

    Of course, some people are never happy until they get their own way.
    Parents may try and teach their kids not to have tantrums but it
    doesn't seem to always work.....

    Martin <><
     
    , Jan 12, 2010
    #16
  17. Niteawk

    Niteawk Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On 11 Jan, 19:11, "Niteawk" <> wrote:
    > <snipped>
    >>
    >> You posed a question that you cant answer. I can tell you why she has to
    >> give me a cert, basically she knows I am not fit to work. But twats from
    >> the
    >> DWP are trying to ignore that fact, so she continues to give me certs
    >> based
    >> on my current condition.
    >>
    >>
    >><snipped>

    >
    > She will know no such thing about you, without tests or psychological
    > reports.
    >
    > Doctors have to go on the facts - often the initial source of facts
    > (or fiction) is the patient.
    > She won't have a clue about your fitness to work without taking a lot
    > more time and possibly having a lot more specialisation than GPs
    > usually have.
    >


    Yes, you would have to see your doctor before a diagnosis can be made. Very
    useful information that ;)

    Then again there is such a thing as medical history which can also be used.


    <snipped>
     
    Niteawk, Jan 12, 2010
    #17
  18. Niteawk

    Niteawk Guest

    <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On 11 Jan, 15:29, "Niteawk" <> wrote:
    > <snipped>
    >>
    >> > Why should she sign you off permanently? You've only been on the sick
    >> > in
    >> > the past year and it's unlikely you have a permanently disabling
    >> > condition. Your GP could refuse to give you a sick note if she wanted
    >> > to.
    >> > She also has to follow guidance from the Department of Health about how
    >> > long she can issue a note for and she obviously doesn't believe you
    >> > will
    >> > be forever incapable of working. She's a GP and not just a passport to
    >> > benefits which is all you want her to be by giving you a longer cert.

    >>
    >> Why does she keep giving me sick notes then? I expect the medical
    >> profession
    >> to show some intelligence when it comes to dealing with patients like me.
    >> I
    >> think you are right, she is following guide lines from the health dept,
    >> this
    >> is their idea of saving the NHS money. Using GP's to keep people on pills
    >> instead of sending them to hospital for the operations they need, and the
    >> reason why she keeps giving me certs, its cheaper for them to treat
    >> people
    >> like this.- Hide quoted text -
    >>
    >> - Show quoted text -

    >
    > So are you wanting her to give you sick notes or not?
    > If you want her to show some intelligence in dealing with patients
    > like you, is that to stop you having sick notes for malingering? Or to
    > give sick notes for genuine illness?
    >


    I dont understand why she gives me a cert for 4 weeks one day, then on my
    next visit she writes one out for 8 weeks, it doesnt make sense.


    > Most doctors will try to get to the root of a problem, though waiting
    > lists can be longer than a year for some issues.....
    >


    And they may go down the cheaper route and use drugs instead of sending you
    to see a specalist.
     
    Niteawk, Jan 12, 2010
    #18
  19. Niteawk

    Guest

    On 12 Jan, 13:49, "Niteawk" <> wrote:
    > <> wrote in message
    >
    > news:...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On 11 Jan, 15:29, "Niteawk" <> wrote:
    > > <snipped>

    >
    > >> > Why should she sign you off permanently? You've only been on the sick
    > >> > in
    > >> > the past year and it's unlikely you have a permanently disabling
    > >> > condition. Your GP could refuse to give you a sick note if she wanted
    > >> > to.
    > >> > She also has to follow guidance from the Department of Health about how
    > >> > long she can issue a note for and she obviously doesn't believe you
    > >> > will
    > >> > be forever incapable of working. She's a GP and not just a passport to
    > >> > benefits which is all you want her to be by giving you a longer cert.

    >
    > >> Why does she keep giving me sick notes then? I expect the medical
    > >> profession
    > >> to show some intelligence when it comes to dealing with patients like me.
    > >> I
    > >> think you are right, she is following guide lines from the health dept,
    > >> this
    > >> is their idea of saving the NHS money. Using GP's to keep people on pills
    > >> instead of sending them to hospital for the operations they need, and the
    > >> reason why she keeps giving me certs, its cheaper for them to treat
    > >> people
    > >> like this.- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > >> - Show quoted text -

    >
    > > So are you wanting her to give you sick notes or not?
    > > If you want her to show some intelligence in dealing with patients
    > > like you, is that to stop you having sick notes for malingering? Or to
    > > give sick notes for genuine illness?

    >
    > I dont understand why she gives me a cert for 4 weeks one day, then on my
    > next visit she writes one out for 8 weeks, it doesnt make sense.
    >
    > > Most doctors will try to get to the root of a problem, though waiting
    > > lists can be longer than a year for some issues.....

    >
    > And they may go down the cheaper route and use drugs instead of sending you
    > to see a specalist.- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    Good doctors seem to do both.
    Drugs to help in the meantime, specialist help to remove the need for
    drugs.
    Root causes aren't always treatable, but some can be managed.
    And some of us are on drugs the rest of our life anyway.

    Martin <><
     
    , Jan 12, 2010
    #19
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