IRS REVENUE RULING 70-604

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  1. How does one find a copy of IRS REVENUE RULING 70-604?
    I searched for 70-604 at the IRS web site and got no hits.
    As I type this, I'm talking to the IRS Help desk.
    They have not been able to find it.

    I've been told by my condo's property manager that it
    affects how the condo association is classified and
    affects their tax rate.

    So, the condo association has asked us to vote pro/con
    on the ruling, but they do not even have a copy.

    Any pointers to the source?

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    Howard Kaikow, Dec 29, 2005
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  2. "Howard Kaikow" <> wrote:

    > How does one find a copy of IRS REVENUE RULING 70-604?
    > I searched for 70-604 at the IRS web site and got no hits.
    > As I type this, I'm talking to the IRS Help desk.
    > They have not been able to find it.


    The IRS doesn't have much if anything on their site from
    before 1990.

    > Any pointers to the source?


    My service doesn't have it. But if you go to your nearest
    law library (check the courthouse and law schools near you)
    you should be able to find it.

    Stu

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    Stuart A. Bronstein, Dec 29, 2005
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    > How does one find a copy of IRS REVENUE RULING 70-604?
    > I searched for 70-604 at the IRS web site and got no hits.
    > As I type this, I'm talking to the IRS Help desk.
    > They have not been able to find it.
    >
    > I've been told by my condo's property manager that it
    > affects how the condo association is classified and
    > affects their tax rate.
    >
    > So, the condo association has asked us to vote pro/con
    > on the ruling, but they do not even have a copy.
    >
    > Any pointers to the source?


    http://www.taxlinks.com/rulings/1970/revrul70-604.htm

    Bob Sandler

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    Bob Sandler, Dec 29, 2005
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  4. Howard Kaikow

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    > The IRS doesn't have much if anything on their site from
    > before 1990.
    >
    > My service doesn't have it. But if you go to your nearest
    > law library (check the courthouse and law schools near you)
    > you should be able to find it.


    TaxLinks, http://www.taxlinks.com/, has all revenue rulings
    from 1954 to the present (currently up to July 10, 2005). You
    can find them by year and number, or do a text search.

    Bob Sandler

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    Bob Sandler, Dec 29, 2005
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    "Stuart A. Bronstein" <> wrote:
    > "Howard Kaikow" <> wrote:


    >> How does one find a copy of IRS REVENUE RULING 70-604?
    >> I searched for 70-604 at the IRS web site and got no hits.
    >> As I type this, I'm talking to the IRS Help desk.
    >> They have not been able to find it.


    > The IRS doesn't have much if anything on their site from
    > before 1990.
    >
    > > Any pointers to the source?

    >
    > My service doesn't have it. But if you go to your nearest
    > law library (check the courthouse and law schools near you)
    > you should be able to find it.


    http://www.taxlinks.com/rulings/findinglist/revrulmaster.htm

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  6. "Stuart A. Bronstein" <> wrote:

    > The IRS doesn't have much if anything on their site from
    > before 1990.
    >
    > > Any pointers to the source?

    >
    > My service doesn't have it. But if you go to your nearest
    > law library (check the courthouse and law schools near you)
    > you should be able to find it.


    Thanx.

    I found a bunch of things using Google, but no official
    copy. Seems that it just has to do with whether a condo
    association returns unused assessment each year.

    My condo association is asking to vote on:

    IRS Revenue Ruling 70-604

    The choices are "Vote in favor" or "Vote Against", but
    there is no statement about what that means. Obviously,
    we cannot be voting on the ruling itself. As written,
    the ballot is ambiguous as it does not tell me what I'm
    voting in, so I guess I'll vote Against.

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    Howard Kaikow, Dec 29, 2005
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  7. "Howard Kaikow" <> wrote:

    > My condo association is asking to vote on:
    >
    > IRS Revenue Ruling 70-604
    >
    > The choices are "Vote in favor" or "Vote Against", but
    > there is no statement about what that means. Obviously,
    > we cannot be voting on the ruling itself. As written,
    > the ballot is ambiguous as it does not tell me what I'm
    > voting in, so I guess I'll vote Against.


    Using the taxlinks website as suggested by others here, I
    took a look at the ruling. All it says is that if you pay
    condo dues and they return some of what you paid at the end
    of the year, you don't pay tax on it because you're just
    getting back what you already paid.

    Frankly following the ruling is not optional, it's the law
    (well, sort of). So voting for or against is meaningless.

    Perhaps they mean to be asking, "if we have extra money at
    the end of the year should we refund it?" For that you'd
    need to have a constractor determine how much should be
    collected for deferred maintenance. Because the biggest
    problem I've seen with condos is that they don't collect
    enough, not that they collect too much.

    Stu

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    Stuart A. Bronstein, Dec 29, 2005
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  8. Thanx to all who responded.

    I had found the taxlinks reference via a Google search.
    I'm attaching thr following to my condo association ballot.
    ------------------------
    As the owner of the unit at XXX, I am attaching this note to
    my Proxy/Absentee Ballot for the 11 January 2006 annual
    meeting of the YYY Condominium Association.

    The subject ballot asks us vote on, among other things, an
    item titled "IRS REVENUE RULING 70-604". The choices given
    are "Vote in favor" and "Vote against".

    Neither choice makes any sense as the IRS ruling is a fact
    that cannot be altered by any such vote. Because of this, I
    had to choose "Vote against". I cannot vote for such a
    poorly drafted proposal.

    The proposal needs to state an explicit action that is to be
    authorized, or not, by the members of the condominium
    association.

    Even if the members of the YYY Condominium Association "Vote
    in favor", that vote is meaningless, as the proposal has no
    substance. Personally, I doubt that such a vote could serve
    as proof of the vote required by IRS Revenue Ruling 70-604.
    To satisfy the IRS, I expect that the vote has to explicitly
    state the effect of the vote.

    For further information, one might check the following:

    a.. http://www.caimichigan.org/articles/AvoidingAudits.htm
    b.. http://taxlinks.com/rulings/1970/revrul70-604.htm
    c.. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-wd/04-0231.pdf
    d.. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-wd/01-0176.pdf

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    Howard Kaikow, Dec 29, 2005
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  9. "Stuart A. Bronstein" <> wrote:

    > Using the taxlinks website as suggested by others here, I
    > took a look at the ruling. All it says is that if you pay
    > condo dues and they return some of what you paid at the end
    > of the year, you don't pay tax on it because you're just
    > getting back what you already paid.
    >
    > Frankly following the ruling is not optional, it's the law
    > (well, sort of). So voting for or against is meaningless.


    I also reached that conclusion.

    > Perhaps they mean to be asking, "if we have extra money at
    > the end of the year should we refund it?"


    I believe that was the intention.

    Searching on Google, I found many copies of minutes of condo
    associations discussing 70-604.

    I guess, as long as the association receives enough proxies
    to constitute a quorum, the board could come up with, and
    pass, a proper motion AT the meeting.

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    Howard Kaikow, Dec 30, 2005
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  10. Interestingly, I met somebody at the local post office
    today who's mother lives in another condo managed by
    the same property manager.

    He said that they were asked to vote on the samne thing,
    and he just tossed the ballot, as the vote made no sense.

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    Howard Kaikow, Dec 31, 2005
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