Mandatory courses?

Discussion in 'UK Tax Credits and Benefits' started by Niteawk, Oct 1, 2009.

  1. Niteawk

    Niteawk Guest

    Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses for
    months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.

    Held in over crowded rooms for 30 hrs per week, could this be a breach of
    human rights?

    Is it reasonable to waste billions of tax payers money like that?
     
    Niteawk, Oct 1, 2009
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    Colin Wilson Guest

    > Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses for
    > months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.


    Do they disappear off the jobless figures while they're on the
    "courses" ?
     
    Colin Wilson, Oct 1, 2009
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  3. Niteawk

    Robbie Guest

    Colin Wilson wrote:
    >> Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses for
    >> months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.

    >
    > Do they disappear off the jobless figures while they're on the
    > "courses" ?


    Off the JSA count yes as far as I am aware, but not the larger (and
    largely sampled) ILO count that now appears to be the favoured way of
    measuring unemployment. The latter figure is just based on a sample of
    the population as a whole and isn't a measure of people in receipt of
    JSA. The sample size used to be a mere 5,000 people.
     
    Robbie, Oct 1, 2009
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  4. Niteawk

    Robbie Guest

    Robbie wrote:
    > Colin Wilson wrote:
    >>> Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory
    >>> courses for months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one
    >>> page crap CV.

    >>
    >> Do they disappear off the jobless figures while they're on the
    >> "courses" ?

    >
    > Off the JSA count yes as far as I am aware, but not the larger (and
    > largely sampled) ILO count that now appears to be the favoured way of
    > measuring unemployment. The latter figure is just based on a sample of
    > the population as a whole and isn't a measure of people in receipt of
    > JSA. The sample size used to be a mere 5,000 people.


    Looking National Statistics website at:

    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBase/Product.asp?vlnk=2054&Pos=1&ColRank=2&Rank=352

    direct link to file:
    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloads/theme_labour/unemployment.pdf

    it appears that people on courses may be included in the JSA figures (as
    was always the case many years ago). It depends on the long term nature
    of the course of training or employment.

    The PDF file at that link reveals that the ILO survey is of about 53,000
    households in any three month period, consisting of about 101,000
    people aged 16+. From that sample an unemployment figure for each region
    and for GB and the UK as a whole is calculated.
     
    Robbie, Oct 1, 2009
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    mogga Guest

    On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:40:42 +0100, "Niteawk" <>
    wrote:

    >Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses for
    >months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.
    >
    >Held in over crowded rooms for 30 hrs per week, could this be a breach of
    >human rights?
    >
    >Is it reasonable to waste billions of tax payers money like that?
    >
    >


    I did the CV course back in about 1992.
    It was rubbish. Got a nice printed CV out of it though which I never
    used to apply for jobs.

    I got sent for an interview next. Despite my best efforts they offered
    me the job - selling insurance. Declined the slightly crazy training
    that went with it and decided in the end it'd be better for me to find
    myself a job and get on with being employed rather than harrassed by
    insane[1] job centre staff.

    I found an easy relatively well paid job with the local council and
    that was the end of my working career for some time.
    ;)

    I do think it's utterly unreasonable to expect the deliberately
    unemployed to drag themselves away from their sofa just for a CV
    course.
    It'd be much better to let ambition take it's course, that and
    stopping benefits[2] of course.


    [1] They never got the joke when I pointed out that we could only
    take one job number up to them as they were short-staffed.

    [2] What would get you to go find a job?
    --
    http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk
    http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk
     
    mogga, Oct 4, 2009
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  6. Niteawk

    Guest

    On 4 Oct, 20:37, mogga <> wrote:
    > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:40:42 +0100, "Niteawk" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses for
    > >months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.

    >
    > >Held in over crowded rooms for 30 hrs per week, could this be a breach of
    > >human rights?

    >
    > >Is it reasonable to waste billions of tax payers money like that?

    >
    > I did the CV course back in about 1992.
    > It was rubbish. Got a nice printed CV out of it though which I never
    > used to apply for jobs.
    >
    > I got sent for an interview next. Despite my best efforts they offered
    > me the job - selling insurance. Declined the slightly crazy training
    > that went with it and decided in the end it'd be better for me to find
    > myself a job and get on with being employed rather than harrassed by
    > insane[1] job centre staff.
    >
    > I found an easy relatively well paid job with the local council and
    > that was the end of my working career for some time.
    > ;)
    >
    > I do think it's utterly unreasonable to expect the deliberately
    > unemployed to drag themselves away from their sofa just for a CV
    > course.
    > It'd be much better to let ambition take it's course, that and
    > stopping benefits[2]  of course.
    >
    > [1] They never got the joke when I pointed out  that we could only
    > take one job number up to them as they were short-staffed.
    >
    > [2] What would get you to go find a job?
    > --http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.ukhttp://www.holidayunder100.co.uk


    Well, this from todays news.

    "A £25-a-week state help cut for up to half a million claimants
    expected to be proved by tests to be fit for work is planned to help
    pay for plans to use more private firms to get people into jobs."

    At least this time he's said how he's going to fund a
    scheme........ :)

    Martin <><
     
    , Oct 5, 2009
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  7. Niteawk

    Niteawk Guest

    "mogga" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:40:42 +0100, "Niteawk" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Why are the unemployed being forced to attend useless mandatory courses
    >>for
    >>months at a time, when all they get out of it is a one page crap CV.
    >>
    >>Held in over crowded rooms for 30 hrs per week, could this be a breach of
    >>human rights?
    >>
    >>Is it reasonable to waste billions of tax payers money like that?
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I did the CV course back in about 1992.
    > It was rubbish. Got a nice printed CV out of it though which I never
    > used to apply for jobs.
    >
    > I got sent for an interview next. Despite my best efforts they offered
    > me the job - selling insurance. Declined the slightly crazy training
    > that went with it and decided in the end it'd be better for me to find
    > myself a job and get on with being employed rather than harrassed by
    > insane[1] job centre staff.
    >
    > I found an easy relatively well paid job with the local council and
    > that was the end of my working career for some time.
    > ;)
    >
    > I do think it's utterly unreasonable to expect the deliberately
    > unemployed to drag themselves away from their sofa just for a CV
    > course.


    Quite right, offering worthwhile training as incentive to get them off sofas
    is beyond their remit, they would rather waste the time and money to drag
    them off, they get nothing and the state gets nothing. Even stevens ;)



    > It'd be much better to let ambition take it's course, that and
    > stopping benefits[2] of course.
    >
    >
    > [1] They never got the joke when I pointed out that we could only
    > take one job number up to them as they were short-staffed.
    >



    > [2] What would get you to go find a job?


    The cost of living should be a big clue here.

    --------------
    How can the government get away with wasting billions of £'s on crap CV
    courses and then tell us that they need to make cuts to save money by
    attacking the NHS or some other essential public service.
     
    Niteawk, Oct 5, 2009
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