Restore Problems Quicken 2000

Discussion in 'Quicken' started by Mindy, Apr 17, 2008.

  1. Mindy

    Mindy Guest

    WinXP 2 Media Center...Quicken 2000

    I just reformatted my computer....backed up the Quicken files to a zip
    drive, second HD and even copied the whole Quicken file off C/Programs
    before zeroing the drive....now when I reinstalled the software and use the
    backed up files I get everything back up to 2006....from there to last weeks
    date is not shown or to be found....I am at wits end and my other is about
    to shot me for losing our financial info.....I let her do the backing up but
    what does that matter....in worst case scenario, can I somehow use the copy
    of the Quicken fold I backed up...any help would be really appreciated..
     
    Mindy, Apr 17, 2008
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  2. Mindy

    danbrown Guest

    Since all of the transaction data stored in Quicken is in a single
    file, frequently named QDATA.QDF, AND since you're missing recent
    data ... the implication is that after you re-installed Q you either
    restored from an OLD data file, or you in some other manner opened an
    OLD data file.

    Try restoring (NOT opening) from the zip drive. Try restoring from
    the second HD, etc.

    Keep looking, in the various places where you put the info, for files
    with a QDF extension ... all indications are that you've just got the
    wrong one.

    db
     
    danbrown, Apr 17, 2008
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  3. Mindy

    Andrew Guest

    danbrown wrote:
    > Since all of the transaction data stored in Quicken is in a single
    > file, frequently named QDATA.QDF, AND since you're missing recent
    > data ... the implication is that after you re-installed Q you either
    > restored from an OLD data file, or you in some other manner opened an
    > OLD data file.
    >
    > Try restoring (NOT opening) from the zip drive. Try restoring from
    > the second HD, etc.
    >
    > Keep looking, in the various places where you put the info, for files
    > with a QDF extension ... all indications are that you've just got the
    > wrong one.
    >
    > db


    Dan - I think that the OP needs to restore the complete fileset taken at the
    time of the backup, not just the .QDF file. Admittedly, some of the others
    in the same fileset (like the .qph's) might not be needed, but perhaps .idx
    is an important file (the index file). Depending on how they program Q, the
    index file might be critical and can't be rebuilt.

    My point is that when the OP finds his latest .qdf file, he should consider
    copying over the entire fileset at the time he took his backups.

    Just a thought.

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    - Andrew
     
    Andrew, Apr 18, 2008
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  4. Mindy

    John Pollard Guest

    Andrew wrote:
    > danbrown wrote:
    >> Since all of the transaction data stored in Quicken is in a
    >> single
    >> file, frequently named QDATA.QDF, AND since you're missing
    >> recent
    >> data ... the implication is that after you re-installed Q you
    >> either
    >> restored from an OLD data file, or you in some other manner
    >> opened an
    >> OLD data file.
    >>
    >> Try restoring (NOT opening) from the zip drive. Try
    >> restoring from
    >> the second HD, etc.
    >>
    >> Keep looking, in the various places where you put the info,
    >> for files
    >> with a QDF extension ... all indications are that you've just
    >> got the
    >> wrong one.
    >>
    >> db

    >
    > Dan - I think that the OP needs to restore the complete
    > fileset taken
    > at the time of the backup, not just the .QDF file.


    > Admittedly, some
    > of the others in the same fileset (like the .qph's) might not
    > be
    > needed,


    The QPH file is the price history file; if one has prices older
    than 5 years, or prices for securities not downloadable via
    Quicken quote downloads, then the price history can be fairly
    important.

    > but perhaps .idx is an important file (the index file).
    > Depending on how they program Q, the index file might be
    > critical and
    > can't be rebuilt.


    The index file is totally unnecessary; if not present, Quicken
    rebuilds it.

    > My point is that when the OP finds his latest .qdf file, he
    > should
    > consider copying over the entire fileset at the time he took
    > his
    > backups.


    Basically, I agree.

    But the QDF file contains the most important, and hardest to
    reconstruct, data. If you were only going to have one file out
    of the fileset, the QDF file is the one to have.

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    John Pollard, Apr 18, 2008
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  5. Mindy

    John Pollard Guest

    John Pollard wrote:

    > The QPH file is the price history file; if one has prices
    > older
    > than 5 years, or prices for securities not downloadable via
    > Quicken quote downloads, then the price history can be fairly
    > important.


    I meant to add that there is no QPH file for Q2000 (so the op
    shouldn't be worried at not finding one); that came along later
    .... either Q2001 or Q2002.

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    John Pollard, Apr 18, 2008
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  6. Mindy

    Stubby Guest

    "John Pollard" <> wrote in message
    news:Lk0Oj.72008$TT4.50520@attbi_s22...
    > John Pollard wrote:
    >
    > > The QPH file is the price history file; if one has prices
    > > older
    > > than 5 years, or prices for securities not downloadable via
    > > Quicken quote downloads, then the price history can be fairly
    > > important.

    >
    > I meant to add that there is no QPH file for Q2000 (so the op
    > shouldn't be worried at not finding one); that came along later
    > ... either Q2001 or Q2002.


    I suggest you run a File>Validate on a copy of your data file. Also, a
    Super Validate function (hold down shift while clicking on the command).
    This function should pick up the pieces and make a useable fileset out of
    them, but it can't do magic. For instance if you turned off your computer
    while a file was being saved, it's not going to invent missing data.
     
    Stubby, Apr 18, 2008
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  7. Mindy

    danbrown Guest

    NOTHING that I wrote said "copy over". I, in several sentences, said
    RESTORE.

    And the appropriate fileset to restore from is the one with the most
    recent QDF file.

    db
     
    danbrown, Apr 18, 2008
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  8. Mindy

    Andrew Guest

    John Pollard wrote:
    >
    > The index file is totally unnecessary; if not present, Quicken
    > rebuilds it.
    >


    Thanks for the amplification John. Serious question, what if the index file
    is present, but several versions downleveled from the singlely-restored QDF?
    Is Q smart enough to 'know' the two don't go together?

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    - Andrew
     
    Andrew, Apr 19, 2008
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  9. Mindy

    John Pollard Guest

    Andrew wrote:
    > John Pollard wrote:
    >>
    >> The index file is totally unnecessary; if not present,
    >> Quicken
    >> rebuilds it.
    >>


    > Thanks for the amplification John. Serious question, what if
    > the
    > index file is present, but several versions downleveled from
    > the
    > singlely-restored QDF? Is Q smart enough to 'know' the two
    > don't go
    > together?


    I'm not sure I follow your question.

    I always assume that one deals with a Quicken fileset; I never
    assume one combines files from one fileset with files from
    another fileset (though there are situations when one can do
    that, if one knows what one is doing: see below).

    Looking at this thread, as I originally understood it, the user
    may not have had all the files available that make up a
    legitmate fileset.

    My comments related as follows:

    1.) If you have a QDF file and no other files (from your Quicken
    "fileset"), you can regain the vast majority of your original
    Quicken data from just that QDF file - Quicken will "open" that
    file (and may "restore" it; I haven't tried it).
    2.) If you have a current-enough version of Quicken; you may be
    able to, and should try to, recover your most recent QPH file
    (even if it does not correlate directly to the QDF file (not
    part of the fileset that the QDF file came from): QPH files will
    "attach" to any QDF file that knows about QPH files ... Quicken
    versions later than Q2000, I think; but defintely Quicken
    versions Q2002 and later).
    3.) The IDX file has never mattered in any verson of Quicken
    that I have used.

    If you are suggesting the there might be a problem if you had a
    Quicken fileset that contained an IDX file that was totally
    unrelated to the other files in the fileset; I can't answer your
    question. But then: I can't think how that would happen.

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    John Pollard, Apr 19, 2008
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  10. Mindy

    Andrew Guest

    John Pollard wrote:

    > But then: I can't think how that would happen.


    Just in the way that the OP might have inadvertently made this happen.

    Suppose the fileset was several days/weeks old, and the OP *only* copied the
    ..qdf file as he originally was told all he to do. Then, the other files in
    the fileset MIGHT be downleveled (this is all hypothetical of course). I
    was just curious if you've ever had any experience with a 'mish-mush' of
    files that do indeed 'complete' the entire fileset in name only, but their
    dates (and thus, data consistently) are all out of whack!

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    - Andrew
     
    Andrew, Apr 19, 2008
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  11. Mindy

    John Pollard Guest

    Andrew wrote:
    > John Pollard wrote:
    >
    >> But then: I can't think how that would happen.

    >
    > Just in the way that the OP might have inadvertently made this
    > happen.
    >
    > Suppose the fileset was several days/weeks old, and the OP
    > *only*
    > copied the .qdf file as he originally was told all he to do.
    > Then,
    > the other files in the fileset MIGHT be downleveled (this is
    > all
    > hypothetical of course). I was just curious if you've ever
    > had any
    > experience with a 'mish-mush' of files that do indeed
    > 'complete' the
    > entire fileset in name only, but their dates (and thus, data
    > consistently) are all out of whack!


    If you only copy the qdf file, you don't have ANY "idx" file.

    The only way to produce the result you opined would be to copy a
    qdf file from one fileset, then copy an idx file from another
    fileset.

    It's not impossible to do: I just can't imagine the conditions
    under which someone would do that.

    [And even if you did that very strange thing: I'm not convinced
    that it would create a problem for Quicken. Since it's so
    unlikely, I'm not much interested in trying to check it out.]

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    John Pollard, Apr 20, 2008
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  12. Mindy

    John Pollard Guest

    John Pollard wrote:
    > The only way to produce the result you opined would be to copy
    > a
    > qdf file from one fileset, then copy an idx file from another
    > fileset.
    >
    > It's not impossible to do: I just can't imagine the conditions
    > under which someone would do that.
    >
    > [And even if you did that very strange thing: I'm not
    > convinced
    > that it would create a problem for Quicken. Since it's so
    > unlikely, I'm not much interested in trying to check it out.]


    I should have added: But it would easy enough for you to test.
    :)

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    John Pollard, Apr 20, 2008
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  13. Mindy

    danbrown Guest

    On Apr 19, 9:59 am, "Andrew" <> wrote:
    > Andrew wrote:
    >
    > Suppose the fileset was several days/weeks old, and the OP *only* copied the
    > .qdf file as he originally was told all he to do.


    I made ABSOLUTELY no such statement. I repeatedly said RESTORE,
    RESTORE. You're the one who keeps bringing up the TOTALLY ERRONEOUS
    practice of copying Q files, rather than using the backup/restore
    procedures.


    db
     
    danbrown, Apr 20, 2008
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  14. Mindy

    Andrew Guest

    danbrown wrote:
    > NOTHING that I wrote said "copy over". I, in several sentences, said
    > RESTORE.
    >
    > And the appropriate fileset to restore from is the one with the most
    > recent QDF file.
    >
    > db


    Danbrown - relax! I said 'hypothetical a while back on these subsequent
    questions!

    I was just curious**IF** one had a mish-mash of .qdf and .idx files with the
    same filename what the implications might be. As John Pollard suggested, I
    might try it myself using some copies of my own files just for the hell of
    it.

    (I keep daily backups of all my Q data files for 3 months, so for me, it's
    easy to set up such a test scenario.)

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    - Andrew
     
    Andrew, Apr 21, 2008
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