Working in a foreign country, paying into social security.

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  1. PeterL

    PeterL Guest

    My son is working in a foreign country for a non American company. He
    is paid in local currency. He is about 6 quarter shy of "vesting"
    with social security. Is it possible for him to pay into social
    security himself? He is an employee, not a contractor.

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    PeterL, Aug 29, 2008
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  2. In article <>,
    PeterL <> wrote:
    >My son is working in a foreign country for a non American company. He
    >is paid in local currency. He is about 6 quarter shy of "vesting"
    >with social security. Is it possible for him to pay into social
    >security himself? He is an employee, not a contractor.



    Social Security does not have voluntary payments, and you are
    limited to four quarters of social security credit in any
    calendar year.
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    ArtKamlet at a o l dot c o m Columbus OH K2PZH

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    Arthur Kamlet, Aug 29, 2008
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  3. PeterL wrote:
    > My son is working in a foreign country for a non American company. He
    > is paid in local currency. He is about 6 quarter shy of "vesting"
    > with social security. Is it possible for him to pay into social
    > security himself? He is an employee, not a contractor.
    >

    He is not required to pay into SS but he may choose to do so. Use
    Schedule SE with the US tax return to report the SS wages and pay the
    tax. He will have to pay both the employee and employer portions (i.e.
    the 15.3%.) Once he makes this choice, he must continue to make the
    annual payment for as long as he is employed by this company.

    Lanny K. Williams, C.P.A.
    Nawarat, Williams & Co., Ltd.
    Income Tax Services for Expatriate Americans

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  4. PeterL

    D. Stussy Guest

    "PeterL" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > My son is working in a foreign country for a non American company. He
    > is paid in local currency. He is about 6 quarter shy of "vesting"
    > with social security. Is it possible for him to pay into social
    > security himself? He is an employee, not a contractor.


    Some countries' tax treaties with the U.S. provide for credit with the U.S.
    system if he's paying into a foreign equivalent system. You need to check
    the treaty of the country he's in (if there is one).

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    D. Stussy, Aug 30, 2008
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  5. PeterL

    Alan Guest

    D. Stussy wrote:
    > "PeterL" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> My son is working in a foreign country for a non American company. He
    >> is paid in local currency. He is about 6 quarter shy of "vesting"
    >> with social security. Is it possible for him to pay into social
    >> security himself? He is an employee, not a contractor.

    >
    > Some countries' tax treaties with the U.S. provide for credit with the U.S.
    > system if he's paying into a foreign equivalent system. You need to check
    > the treaty of the country he's in (if there is one).
    >

    The Totalization Agreements (tax treaties) with other countries
    allow for receiving credit for work performed in a foreign
    country where you had to pay into that country's equivalent
    social security system. One can use those work credits to qualify
    for US benefits if one does not have enough work credits in the
    US. However, one does not receive any contribution credits for
    the time worked in a foreign country. In other words, you get the
    quarters worked but your foreign earnings stay with the foreign
    country. Your US benefit is based on contributions to the SSA
    system and quarters of work including foreign service. Obviously,
    a reduced benefit... but at least some benefit.

    As the earnings stay in the foreign country, it is also possible
    to qualify for a social security benefit from the foreign country
    using the same period of time worked in that country.

    Information on Totalization Agreements is at:
    http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=105254,00.html
    http://www.ssa.gov/international/totalization_agreements.html

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    Alan, Aug 30, 2008
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