accounting being outsourced, blah blah blah

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    Question Guest

    Question, Oct 2, 2003
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    Eurogroover Guest

    I'll tell you what is really bleak, having a US CPA designation and
    working your ass off for PricewaterhouseCoopers Egypt for $ 350-500 a
    month.
    That's why many individuals from developing countries dream/fantasize
    about going to the US or Canada.
     
    Eurogroover, Oct 3, 2003
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    Eurogroover Guest

    You complain about not being able to find a suitable job with you
    bachelor degree. Which university did you graduate from ? Is it the
    norm for the graduates from this university to get decent jobs ?
    I would feel real compassion if you are a graduate from a ranking
    university and are facing these problems. I would consider you to be
    unfortunate.

    By the way, What university did you graduate from
     
    Eurogroover, Oct 3, 2003
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  4. IMO, what you get on such fora (as here) is a preponderance of negative
    reports--same as the newspaper: good news doesn't sell.

    It's not great, certainly, but there are jobs available--perhaps not as
    cushy or as lucrative as one might like, but as one who did on-campus
    recruiting for a number of years, I've been through similar periods
    before--it'll turn around again as well. But, I'd caution strongly
    against thinking (as apparently does another naysayer who posts his own
    "doom-n-gloom" here regularly) that such sources as monster.com are a
    premier job locater....
     
    Duane Bozarth, Oct 3, 2003
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    Ron Todd Guest

    That is consistant with what I have read. Works out to a buck or two
    an hour. With our really stupid implementation of the concept of
    'free trade' without any quid pro quo, the International Accounting
    Firms would be foolish not to export all the work they possibly can.

    But, on the other issue,, you have to look at the salary versus the
    cost of living in Egypt. Egypt as a socialist country provides a
    great number of services that you would have to pay for in the US. I
    would imagine, within the concept of 'social justice' the subject CPA
    would live in a comparable situation.




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    Shagnasty Guest

    So, it would be unfortunate for a Harvard grad to be unable to find a decent
    job, but OK for a graduate of Sam Houston Institute of Technology to be
    unemployable. (note: I did not graduate from either Harvard or S.H.I.T.)
     
    Shagnasty, Oct 4, 2003
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    Eurogroover Guest

    You just supported what I have been writing in some of my posts. Sure
    there are ordinary accounting and other business related jobs out
    there, but it's extremely difficult to get one at a top firm. That's
    why I always brag about getting into a top B-school.
     
    Eurogroover, Oct 5, 2003
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    Eurogroover Guest

    That's not what I meant. It's normal for any Harvard or other top
    ranking university graduate to be employed at top tier firms. So I
    would sympathize with one who was unlucky to find a decent job,
    specially after trying so hard to be admitted and paying a whole load
    of cash for tuition. On the other hand, only a handful of graduates
    from the S.H.I.T type get decent offers. They shouldn't really
    complain about not getting the "perfect" job.
     
    Eurogroover, Oct 5, 2003
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  9. Well, that's no new news--if one is intent on a particular career path,
    one had best prepare oneself to be able to compete in that market or
    face the likelihood of being unsuccessful in that niche. That includes
    facing the reality of one's level of capability and choosing the
    appropriate method of achieving the goal. There's a certain amount of
    incestuousness in the system, granted, but for the <most> part, if
    you're <really> capable and willing to sacrifice sufficiently, you've
    got a reasonable chance. The number of dunderheads in posh
    universities, while not zero, is not a large fraction, either. Not
    everyone <is> going to be "x"....and, of course, being prepared and
    capable isn't necessarily going to mean you'll end up being President,
    either--there's the "individual outcome" vis a vis the "statistical
    average" argument that's been a recurring theme here recently as well.
     
    Duane Bozarth, Oct 5, 2003
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    Question Guest

    My thinking was that basically, a college degree doesn't get you
    nearly as far as you did in the past. Many students go in thinking
    that a degree will lead them to some sort of career opportunities if
    they work hard and do well. But what they don't tell you in school is
    that much of that opportunity depends on the economy, timing,
    location, and luck. Even as late as 2000, my school was pushing
    business/computer information systems as a viable major.
    Computer-science grads finding jobs--maybe. But a general business
    degree with a CIS major has led to nowhere for everyone I've talked to
    (whereas in the late 90's, grads with no experience were starting out
    at $40K).

    I now have majors in both CIS and accounting (from a state school),
    but had to move after graduation (and will have to move again) due to
    my husband being in the military. I haven't had difficulty finding
    jobs, but they aren't really what I expected. I guess another issue
    is that I don't really want a super-stressful career that requires me
    to work 80 hours a week (well, outside of tax season). I want a
    balanced life--to make a nice home, to have children one day, to spend
    time with family, etc. I'm not solely driven by the pursuit of money.
    I want to have monetary security, but I'm not the sort of person who
    defines myself by what I do.

    I'm hoping that once I pass the CPA exam and pick up some accounting
    software skills that I'll be able to one day find some flexibility and
    have more options.
     
    Question, Oct 6, 2003
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  11. ....saga of experience w/school and job hunting plus wish list...

    Nothing any different in this than was true when I graduated more years
    ago than now seems possible...opportunities are, have always been and
    always will be predicated on the overall economic situation and other
    factors including the "quality of life" issues you mention. As I've
    noted previously, I spent over 20 years doing on-campus college
    recruiting and it varied enormously from year to year over the business
    cycle and particular corporate needs...now is really nothing all that
    unusual in the bigger picture. And as for the value of the degree, if
    you're finding difficulty now, think what your opportunities would be if
    you were holding a HS diploma only...
     
    Duane Bozarth, Oct 6, 2003
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    Steve Guest


    unfortunately being a military spouse and moving with your husband can
    present difficulties in a career. I live in a military community and
    employers recognize this type of turnover and may subtly discriminate
    against promoting. But on the plus side you can build up varied and
    valuable experience that may be beneficial.
     
    Steve, Oct 6, 2003
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  13. BTW, good luck and God bless and thank him for us...

    -dpb
     
    Duane Bozarth, Oct 6, 2003
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  14. This could be bad. Although the greatest number of H-1B visas are used
    for Information Technology, other fields are already being targeted by
    this visa. I'm not sure exactly what extent it has effected the
    accounting field. Also, outsourcing usually involves using workers
    from other countries with a lower cost of living (and therefore a
    lower salary).

    A solution is to get involved as much as possible: write congressmen,
    tell your friends about this, do research on the H-1B visa, etc.

    it_worker250
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/antih1b
     
    IT Worker 250, Oct 7, 2003
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    Question Guest

    Thanks so much! Luckily, he's a bit older than me and can get
    military retirement in six years if all goes well (with the grace of
    God--even military jobs aren't immune to being lost due to downsizing
    [or injury])! I'd give up ANY career opportunity to be with my
    husband, he's so worth it! I only want to work to help contribute to
    our financial security and to take some of the pressure off of his
    back.
     
    Question, Oct 7, 2003
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    scottlouie123

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    Accounting is already outsourced to external firms, so its not unimaginable. The Big4 and such make too much money to go anywhere anytime soon though.
     
    scottlouie123, May 25, 2013
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