accounting software


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Oshiponga

Hi

Wonder if anyone could point me in the direction of some simple
accountancy software for use in a small business. Doesn't have to do
payroll, but I'm flexible about it.

I've been using Sage instant accounting V6 for the last few years and
have never liked it, its a bit too intuitive for non accountants as
far as I'm concerened.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Andy.
 
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Dave

andy_hodson said:
Hi

Wonder if anyone could point me in the direction of some simple
accountancy software for use in a small business. Doesn't have to do
payroll, but I'm flexible about it.

I've been using Sage instant accounting V6 for the last few years and
have never liked it, its a bit too intuitive for non accountants as
far as I'm concerened.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Andy.
Get a pen and some paper, it's cheaper than sage, it's more functional
and easier to use.

Failing that "small business" covers a multitude of sins and without a
proper description of what you are up to, well you'll end up with
something that doesn't work (again).

Dave
 
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Ronald Raygun

Oshiponga said:
Hi

Wonder if anyone could point me in the direction of some simple
accountancy software for use in a small business. Doesn't have to do
payroll, but I'm flexible about it.

I've been using Sage instant accounting V6 for the last few years and
have never liked it, its a bit too intuitive for non accountants as
far as I'm concerened.
Do you mean too intuitive or not intuitive enough?

What do you want your simple software to do?
 
O

Oshiponga

Failing that "small business" covers a multitude of sins and without a
proper description of what you are up to, well you'll end up with
something that doesn't work (again).

Dave
Well, really I want to raise invoices, keep track of purchase invoices
and keep the bank account reconcilled. If there are suggestions of
options, then I can check out the most suitable.

Andy
 
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Peter Saxton

Hi

Wonder if anyone could point me in the direction of some simple
accountancy software for use in a small business. Doesn't have to do
payroll, but I'm flexible about it.

I've been using Sage instant accounting V6 for the last few years and
have never liked it, its a bit too intuitive for non accountants as
far as I'm concerened.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Andy.
Can you explain what the problem is? Being too intuitive for non
accountants doesn't really make sense. To be honest you may find you
have problems with all accounting software.



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Doug Ramage

Peter Saxton said:
Can you explain what the problem is? Being too intuitive for non
accountants doesn't really make sense. To be honest you may find you
have problems with all accounting software.



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Assuming you left out a negative in your first post, QuickBooks by Intuit
is probably the easiest to use for non accountants. Payroll can be included,
if required.
 
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Oshiponga

Can you explain what the problem is? Being too intuitive for non
accountants doesn't really make sense. To be honest you may find you
have problems with all accounting software.



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Yes Peter, the problem is the totally non-windows user interface, its
clunky, its slow, its overly complicated all in a drive to make people
pay for 'technical' support. Thats why I don't like it.

Andy.
 
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Peter Saxton

Yes Peter, the problem is the totally non-windows user interface, its
clunky, its slow, its overly complicated all in a drive to make people
pay for 'technical' support. Thats why I don't like it.

Andy.
What are you trying to do with it and what is one of the specific
problems?



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Oshiponga

What are you trying to do with it and what is one of the specific
problems?



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From previous post:

"Well, really I want to raise invoices, keep track of purchase
invoices
and keep the bank account reconcilled. If there are suggestions of
options, then I can check out the most suitable."

There are no specific problems, I just don't like the way it works.
It doesn't comply with Windows conventions, making it more difficult
to use. Personally and this is just my opinion, its been written with
the emphasis on accountants, not on lay users. There's two.
 
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Peter Saxton

From previous post:

"Well, really I want to raise invoices, keep track of purchase
invoices
and keep the bank account reconcilled. If there are suggestions of
options, then I can check out the most suitable."

There are no specific problems, I just don't like the way it works.
It doesn't comply with Windows conventions, making it more difficult
to use. Personally and this is just my opinion, its been written with
the emphasis on accountants, not on lay users. There's two.
I guarantee that you will not be happy with any accounts program then.
They all have a large element of accounting in them! You may like
programs like QuickBooks or MYOB better but they have plenty of
problems with them.



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Oshiponga

Quite frankly I find "Windows conventions" a pain in the proverbial,
they invariably get in the way of almost everything I want to do,
and so they make everything more difficult.
Well, as I said, its only my opinion on the way Sage works. I do find
it overblown and requiring too much accounting knowledge.
The other thing is that if you want to keep books and prepare accounts,
I fail to see how this can be done at all without strong prominence in
the user interface of such bookkeeping basics as which internal accounts
each transaction is tied to.
ok, well you appear to have answered my initial question there. That
is that, no there is no alternative package which doesn't require the
same level of understanding of book-keeping basics. Thats fine, I
appreciate your help.
Let me ask again what you want to do with it, and please don't just
repeat your simple answer. What we need to know is how you want to
"drive" the thing.
Right here goes, I'll see if I can explain it any better. I want to
enter invoices, enter purchase invoices and have the software do the
work, without me having to know how it comes to the conclusions that
it comes to.

I know I'm maybe not explaining this very well - I'm not an
accountant. I can't make it any simpler than, 'Sage is too
complicated, is there an alternative I can review and see if its any
better for me?'

I know that Sage is probably very good when you know how it works
properly and know the booking conventions that it works to. I have an
idea but for me Sage is to complex. If there isn't an alternative,
great, I'll crack on with what I've got.

I know how to drive a car, but I don't know exactly how it works,
thats what I want to achieve with my accounts software.
You presumably also want it to generate at regular intervals a full
account summary, involving Trading Account, Profit & Loss Account,
and Balance Sheet. Right?
Yes, thats exactly what I'd like to do.
 
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Oshiponga

I guarantee that you will not be happy with any accounts program then.
They all have a large element of accounting in them! You may like
programs like QuickBooks or MYOB better but they have plenty of
problems with them.
Smashing, that answer will do. I'll find out about those and see if
they are any better for me.

thanks again.
 
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Ronald Raygun

Oshiponga said:
Right here goes, I'll see if I can explain it any better. I want to
enter invoices, enter purchase invoices and have the software do the
work, without me having to know how it comes to the conclusions that
it comes to.

I know that Sage is probably very good
I wouldn't be so sure. :) Judging by the amount of questions
asked about it here, it sounds like a heap of shit.
when you know how it works
properly and know the booking conventions that it works to. I have an
idea but for me Sage is to complex. If there isn't an alternative,
great, I'll crack on with what I've got.

I know how to drive a car, but I don't know exactly how it works,
thats what I want to achieve with my accounts software.
Yes, well, you don't need to know about when to change the oil or
how deep the tread grooves in your tyres need to be to remain legal,
you delegate that to your garage. But you do refuel it yourself,
and tax and insure it.

You don't need to know how the accounting software works, but you do
need to know what you want to put in and get out.
Yes, thats exactly what I'd like to do.
Well, then you need to tell it rather more than that you issued an
invoice to cash for stuff or on credit to a trusted customer for
services, or that you bought some stock. VAT might be an issue.
What about things like when a customer brings something back for
a refund, or you have to return something to a supplier? And what
about expenses like insurance, postage, travel, cleaning, rates,
heating? What about assets? What about loans?

Getting something to manage all that for you does fundamentally
require you to understand at least some basic bookkeeping concepts
so that you can communicate meaningfully with it. You don't need
to know how it works, but you need to know what it does. It can't
create meaning out of bare figures.
 

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