accruing wages forward


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Rob

My wife started maternity in December . Her last monthly salary
was
accrued forward for four weeks , and then she went onto a weekly amount
of smp and a small amount of income support . Should she decide to return
to work after about 16 weeks (say 1st April ) she will not have qualified
for
any extra weeks of income support or the housing benefit run on to help her
until she
gets her first monthly salary. Whilst the dwp can seem to justify accruing
wages forward
what are they doing at the other end when people want to return to work
before 26 weeks?
It seems to me it is just a way of them getting out of paying benefit for a
month .
Also on another point......the new changes to the way the child
tax credit is going to be
paid is another sly rip off . Currently someone on income support gets (for
two children )
£ 77.00 plus £15.75 because you have children totalling £ 92.75
Under the new changes we will receive
£56.00 child tax credit plus child benefit of £26.00..totalling £ 82.00
Another sly way of reducing benefit by £10.00
Correct me if I'm wrong but I am sure that benefits only increase by
a few pounds every year so this to me is taking back all the increases over
the last five years.
 
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Paul Bolton

Have you taken into account the family element of child tax credit, £545 a
year per family, double that for a family with a baby?

http://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/pbr2003/pn02.htm

There is no increase in the family component of child tax credit this year,
but the increase in the child element is almost 12.5%, enormous compared
with the rates of increase in income support in some years.
 
Rob said:
My wife started maternity in December . Her last monthly salary
was
accrued forward for four weeks , and then she went onto a weekly amount
of smp and a small amount of income support . Should she decide to return
to work after about 16 weeks (say 1st April ) she will not have qualified
for
any extra weeks of income support or the housing benefit run on to help her
until she
gets her first monthly salary. Whilst the dwp can seem to justify accruing
wages forward
what are they doing at the other end when people want to return to work
before 26 weeks?
It seems to me it is just a way of them getting out of paying benefit for a
month .
Also on another point......the new changes to the way the child
tax credit is going to be
paid is another sly rip off . Currently someone on income support gets (for
two children )
£ 77.00 plus £15.75 because you have children totalling £ 92.75
Under the new changes we will receive
£56.00 child tax credit plus child benefit of £26.00..totalling £ 82.00
Another sly way of reducing benefit by £10.00
Correct me if I'm wrong
you are wrong.

HAND
 
R

Rob

Yes.......but I'm not sure if you know what I mean Paul.
At the moment people get a certain amount of income support for their
children ,
and whatever they get in child tax credit and child benefit is deducted from
that....
From April this year people will no longer recieve any income support for
thier children
and the only income they will have for them is ctc and cb.
In our case it means being £10 per week worse off
Like you say £545 per year or even doubled to£1090 is only £20 per week.
Plus cb of £26 making £46........it is still nowhere near the current amount
of £92.75 that can be
claimed under the current income support levels for children (that is
stopping in April)
 
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Rob said:
Yes.......but I'm not sure if you know what I mean Paul.
At the moment people get a certain amount of income support for their
children ,
and whatever they get in child tax credit and child benefit is deducted from
that....
From April this year people will no longer recieve any income support for
thier children
and the only income they will have for them is ctc and cb.
In our case it means being £10 per week worse off
Like you say £545 per year or even doubled to£1090 is only £20 per week.
Plus cb of £26 making £46........it is still nowhere near the current amount
of £92.75 that can be
claimed under the current income support levels for children (that is
stopping in April)
Just think of it like this, normal couple with 2 normal kids on IS who get
CTC should get (using this tax years rates):

£85.75 for the couple
£15.75 family premium
£77.00 for the kids

=£178.50 total. Take off £26.80 child benefit and £65.73 (assuming both kids
are over 1 this is the amount of CTC which is taken off at £9.39 a day) and
you are left with about £86 ie: the couple rate, which is what is meant to
happen. Now all that happens when it comes to April (but of course with the
new rates which i cant remember) is you get your £86 from the DWP, your
£65.73 CTC and your £26.80 CHB equalling the magic £178, ie: same as before.

This is the way I understand it, its quite confusing though and im tired and
under the influence.
 
R

Rob

..(dont work for the dwp by any chance do you)

Ahh...so in that case ...I'm left wondering why you didn't answer my
original
question as to ' how is she expected to survive for four weeks until her
first months salary
should she decide to return back to work before the 26 week benefit run on
payment rule .
 
R

Rob

Yes ....this is the way I understand it too.......but we are only getting
£56.00 CTC
Are you saying that this will rise to £65.73 automaticaly as soon as the
income support
(from the DWP) for the children stops , without us having to fill in any
forms or contact the
CTC people (inland revenue). ?
 
D

Donald McCaskey

Rob said:
Yes ....this is the way I understand it too.......but we are only getting
£56.00 CTC
Are you saying that this will rise to £65.73 automaticaly as soon as the
income support
(from the DWP) for the children stops , without us having to fill in any
forms or contact the
CTC people (inland revenue). ?
If you are in receipt of Income Support / JSA(IB), you should be entitled to
the full rate of CTC, i.e. £65 per week. If you are not receiving this,
check with the Inland Revenue why - are you perhaps repaying an overpayment
of tax credits?

Don
 
Rob said:
Yes ....this is the way I understand it too.......but we are only getting
£56.00 CTC
Are you saying that this will rise to £65.73 automaticaly as soon as the
income support
(from the DWP) for the children stops , without us having to fill in any
forms or contact the
CTC people (inland revenue). ?
You should get the full rate now unless your paying some back as Don says.
If you are paying some back the DWP will still take maximum rate (otherwise
they would be helping to pay the overpayment). When your circustances change
the IR should have been notified by you (like when you started on Income
Support). I'd give them a ring and see whats going on.
 
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Rob said:
.(dont work for the dwp by any chance do you)



Ahh...so in that case ...I'm left wondering why you didn't answer my
original
question as to ' how is she expected to survive for four weeks until her
first months salary
should she decide to return back to work before the 26 week benefit run on
payment rule .
i was tired and beiong arse, but ive answered something now!
 
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