Advice on New Deal


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paulmccann1984

Hello

I have been told to sign on to the New Deal after been unemployed for
about 7 months. I am looking for jobs, placements etc. But the thing
that confuses me is that my ND advisor was very vague about the whole
setup. I am currently doing a HNC in software enginnering partime, on
Monday and Tuesady form 9 to 3:30, but as i dont have any good
mathatamical qualifcations he wants me to go on a course entilted
"Essential Skils" he keep banging on about doing this for 30 hours a
week for i think 26 weeks. I am confused as to does this mean I have to
do 30 hours a week for my numeracy, or 30 hours total?
The guy who is my ND advisor is very vague about this.

Thanx
 
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Robbie

Hello

I have been told to sign on to the New Deal after been unemployed for
about 7 months. I am looking for jobs, placements etc. But the thing
that confuses me is that my ND advisor was very vague about the whole
setup. I am currently doing a HNC in software enginnering partime, on
Monday and Tuesady form 9 to 3:30, but as i dont have any good
mathatamical qualifcations he wants me to go on a course entilted
"Essential Skils" he keep banging on about doing this for 30 hours a
week for i think 26 weeks. I am confused as to does this mean I have to
do 30 hours a week for my numeracy, or 30 hours total?
The guy who is my ND advisor is very vague about this.

Thanx
I'd ask him to explain fully what it is he wants you to do - since once
you agree you're effectively stuck with your decision, at the risk of
receiving nothing to live on if you then refuse to do it after having
signed an agreement.

See him asap and ask him to spell out what it is he is suggesting. 30
hours a week for a course sounds rather a lot. That's 6 hours per day, 5
days a week. More like a (almost) full-time job / training scheme.

Your current course, the HNC. Are they aware of it?

Robbie
 
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paulmccann1984

Thats great mate sounds like a plan. Do that ASAP as I can.

See Its the first time I have ever been on the dole/JSA and Its quite
scary I know its for like 7 months but I got layed off and nothings
really appeared locally as I live in middle of nowwhere and cant drive,
but few things hopefully in the pipeline.

Yeah the HNC crew know about it as well and say have to take it up
with them as they dont know about it.

Cheers mate appreciate the reply.
 
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Cash converter

Hello

I have been told to sign on to the New Deal after been unemployed for
about 7 months. I am looking for jobs, placements etc. But the thing
that confuses me is that my ND advisor was very vague about the whole
setup. I am currently doing a HNC in software enginnering partime, on
Monday and Tuesady form 9 to 3:30, but as i dont have any good
mathatamical qualifcations he wants me to go on a course entilted
"Essential Skils" he keep banging on about doing this for 30 hours a
week for i think 26 weeks. I am confused as to does this mean I have to
do 30 hours a week for my numeracy, or 30 hours total?
The guy who is my ND advisor is very vague about this.

Thanx
What your ND adviser is saying is, you will be removed from your HNC course
which is likely to get you a job and put on a BS ND course which will not
improve your chances of getting a job thus wasting your time for the next 6
months :)

The only way out of this is to tell the jobsworth that you are currently on
a course which is likely to lead to employment therefore you do not need to
attend a ND course, or compromise and say you will attend ND 3 days and do
your HNC for the other two.

My bet is you will be forced to attend the ND course full time under threat
of loss of benefit, its what they do.
 
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Pat Winstanley

I have been told to sign on to the New Deal after been unemployed for
about 7 months. I am looking for jobs, placements etc. But the thing
that confuses me is that my ND advisor was very vague about the whole
setup. I am currently doing a HNC in software enginnering partime, on
Monday and Tuesady form 9 to 3:30, but as i dont have any good
mathatamical qualifcations he wants me to go on a course entilted
"Essential Skils" he keep banging on about doing this for 30 hours a
week for i think 26 weeks. I am confused as to does this mean I have to
do 30 hours a week for my numeracy, or 30 hours total?
The guy who is my ND advisor is very vague about this.
Given the HNC study, I'd be surprised if you can cope with that unless
your maths is around GCSE level at least. The New Deal "Essential
Skills" courses as far as I can tell also go to about that level (GCSE).

You may be better off arranging to brush up your maths as an extra
module alongside the modules you are doing for HNC. A few years ago the
HND course in computing included a module on maths (a lot of it was
about statistics) and you may find there is still one. If so your
college is likely to have courses suitable for you (andf dovetailing
with your HNC studies) already that you could arrange to join. If you
see your tutors about this they should be able to assess the relative
strengths of the Essental skills course and the (part of ) HND course.
From that they may be able to assure the ND advisor that you are already
doing or about to do an equivalent or better level maths course for your
HNC. You may need to swap in and out with the HND students for one or
more other modules too to reorganise timetabling.

Apart from that, 30 hrs a week for half a year sounds very excessive for
a qualification that is broadly GCSE standard at best, as far as I know,
especially as you must be *using* maths of around that level already
when programming even if you don't have a paper qualification!

On the other hand, it may be that your advisor wants you to do the full
course, including the literacy part, not just the maths, which would
make things different.

Basically though, if what you are doing (or could arrange to be doing)
at college meets/surpasses the level of the course the ND offers, the
college should be able to furnish the ND advisor with proof of that.
 
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paulmccann1984

Thanx for all your help folks appreciate it. Gonna explain to him all
what your talking, about but suppose best is to get back into work as
soon as possible I suppose.

Thanx
 
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axel

Given the HNC study, I'd be surprised if you can cope with that unless
your maths is around GCSE level at least. The New Deal "Essential
Skills" courses as far as I can tell also go to about that level (GCSE).
Really? There is very little mathematics involved in software
engineering - beyond basic numeracy that is. Caertainly most of the
things that I assume a GCSE includes (having done 'O' levels
myself)... trigonometry, calculus, and such like.

Now set theory is another matter.

Axel
 
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Pat Winstanley

Really? There is very little mathematics involved in software
engineering - beyond basic numeracy that is.
Depends what you are doing. :) In the HND course I did those with poor
GCSE maths struggled on the coding and the maths when what was involved
was more complex than simple +-/*. Algebra, at least, is a necessity -
think of variables... ;-)

Caertainly most of the
things that I assume a GCSE includes (having done 'O' levels
myself)... trigonometry, calculus, and such like.
I don't think the GCSE includes <hawk, spit> calculus these days (yes, I
was 'O' level era too). From what I've seen of the GCSE syllabus it's
about the same level as we were at at 14 or 15 in the O level course,
rather than 16.
 
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Paul Bolton

Really? There is very little mathematics involved in software
engineering - beyond basic numeracy that is. Caertainly most of the
things that I assume a GCSE includes (having done 'O' levels
myself)... trigonometry, calculus, and such like.
Well it depends on your definition of calculus of course. A GCSE syllabus
will almost certainly not include any differentiation or integration.

Regardless even a GCSE in mathematics is likely to cover more material than
the New Deal course, which probably only covers everyday mathematics to
around NVQ level one. I doubt you would see anything so abstract as a
quadratic equation.
Now set theory is another matter.
Of course. The maths required for formal methods is intensive.
 
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Niteawk

Paul Bolton said:
Well it depends on your definition of calculus of course. A GCSE syllabus
will almost certainly not include any differentiation or integration.

Regardless even a GCSE in mathematics is likely to cover more material than
the New Deal course, which probably only covers everyday mathematics to
around NVQ level one. I doubt you would see anything so abstract as a
quadratic equation.


Of course. The maths required for formal methods is intensive.
I knew nothing about maths when I went on a C&G electrical course, part one,
that was my first lesson in maths, part one I deduced must be the first part
of the electrical course, walks with a limp and owns a small dog, possibly a
jack russel terrier I presume said Holmes having just examined a walking
stick.
Anyway once the tutor explained it to me I soon became an expert, this thing
goes there and that thing goes in front of that one, put in simple terms V=I
x R.
The moral of the tale is no matter how bad your maths are the tutors will
show you how to do the calculations required to see you through the course.
 

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