Annual Return Fee


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Andy Turner

What exactly does this pay for? What service do I get for this fee?

They send me a form which I didn't want. Nothing is ever different
since you need to tell them immediately if anything changes anyway
(such as a change of address etc..). So I have to take time out to
check it, sign it and post it back to them at my own expense (no
pre-paid envelope either of course).

That in itself would seem to be a pointless pain in the bum. But then
they have the temerity to charge me a £15 for doing it! But I don't
want to do it, I certainly don't want to pay to do it?

And they can't even claim that the £15 covers any sort of admin (and
just how tricky is it for a computer operator to simply confirm that
nothing has changed on the form eh? Tick, click, next..), since
they're even cheeky enough to insist you pay this unjustifiable charge
when you fill in the details yourself online!

Am I missing something here, or are they just taking the mick?

I realise that it's 'only' £15, but then I think that's they get away
with it. If it were more then people would ask more questions about
it.



andyt
 
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DoobieDo

What exactly does this pay for? What service do I get for this fee?

They send me a form which I didn't want. Nothing is ever different
since you need to tell them immediately if anything changes anyway
(such as a change of address etc..). So I have to take time out to
check it, sign it and post it back to them at my own expense (no
pre-paid envelope either of course).
don't bother with it then, just let your company name expire and be
dissolved, cheapskate!
 
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Tony Bryer

Am I missing something here, or are they just taking the mick?

I realise that it's 'only' £15, but then I think that's they
get away with it.
IIRC it used to be £32 and they sent you a blank form which you
had to fill in. It's a rare government department that has
halved what it charges it clients whilst making life easier for
them so I'm not complaining.
 
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Peter Saxton

IIRC it used to be £32 and they sent you a blank form which you
had to fill in. It's a rare government department that has
halved what it charges it clients whilst making life easier for
them so I'm not complaining.
It's going to double if you send the return by post soon.
 
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Peter Saxton

What exactly does this pay for? What service do I get for this fee?

They send me a form which I didn't want. Nothing is ever different
since you need to tell them immediately if anything changes anyway
(such as a change of address etc..). So I have to take time out to
check it, sign it and post it back to them at my own expense (no
pre-paid envelope either of course).

That in itself would seem to be a pointless pain in the bum. But then
they have the temerity to charge me a £15 for doing it! But I don't
want to do it, I certainly don't want to pay to do it?

And they can't even claim that the £15 covers any sort of admin (and
just how tricky is it for a computer operator to simply confirm that
nothing has changed on the form eh? Tick, click, next..), since
they're even cheeky enough to insist you pay this unjustifiable charge
when you fill in the details yourself online!

Am I missing something here, or are they just taking the mick?

I realise that it's 'only' £15, but then I think that's they get away
with it. If it were more then people would ask more questions about
it.



andyt
You are ignoring too many aspects of actually having the company in
existence. You try making information available publicly for free and
see how much you would want to charge. - that is just one example.
 
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Andy Turner

don't bother with it then, just let your company name expire and be
dissolved, cheapskate!
Aha, y'see your "cheapskate", slur implies that you have fallen into
the 'it's only £15' trap. Whether it's £1000 or £1, it's still not
warranted and AFAIK, they do *nothing* to justify it. Tony's response
is kinda similar - that it used to be worse doesn't mean that the
current situation is acceptable.

I was hoping someone would point out what it supposedly pays for,
because I know of nothing that it does.


andyt
 
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Tony Bryer

Andy Turner said:
I was hoping someone would point out what it supposedly pays for,
because I know of nothing that it does.
You pay the £15 when you file your annual return, but you this also
has to cover the cost of processing other documents including filed
accounts, and it also has to cover the cost of things like the free
website Webcheck service, producing and sending out free leaflets,
responding to letters from all and sundry etc etc.
 
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Tim

I was hoping someone would point out what it supposedly
pays for, because I know of nothing that it does.
Possibly running Companies House??
 
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Dave T

Andy said:
I was hoping someone would point out what it supposedly pays for,
because I know of nothing that it does.

To receive and process all company documents, including scanning the
Annual Return and other docs so it available for download by the public;

To deal with all other company administration;

To run Companies House, rather than the taxpayer footing the entire bill
- the company pays for its existence
 
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Andy Turner

Possibly running Companies House??
If that's the case, it's terribly described. On the Annual Return
covering letter it states:

"The fee for the Annual Return is £15"

and on the form itself on the bit you sign), it says:

"I enclose the filing fee of £15".


Which doesn't suggest that it pays for anything else but to handle the
return of the unwanted (and usually unnecessary) form that they sent
to me in the first place.


If it were to cover all Companies House costs, then perhaps it should
say "The annual Companies House fee is £15", which would suggest that
it isn't just for the three seconds it must take to process most
Annual Return forms. In fact, come to think of it, it will probably be
more time consuming to process all the cheques than the forms
themselves! Perhaps it's a £10 fee and a £5 fee for sending them
money...


andyt
 
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DoobieDo

You can get in touch with the Companies House Contact Centre
on 0870 33 33 636

Ring them and ask if you are SO concerned.

Cheerio...
 
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Martin

Andy Turner said:
If that's the case, it's terribly described. On the Annual Return
covering letter it states:

"The fee for the Annual Return is £15"

and on the form itself on the bit you sign), it says:

"I enclose the filing fee of £15".


Which doesn't suggest that it pays for anything else but to handle the
return of the unwanted (and usually unnecessary) form that they sent
to me in the first place.


If it were to cover all Companies House costs, then perhaps it should
say "The annual Companies House fee is £15", which would suggest that
it isn't just for the three seconds it must take to process most
Annual Return forms. In fact, come to think of it, it will probably be
more time consuming to process all the cheques than the forms
themselves! Perhaps it's a £10 fee and a £5 fee for sending them
money...
If I fill in a form and hence draw a chq from my B.Soc. a/c and walk it next
door to the bank, fill in another form, and pay into my current a/c, it's
totally free.

If, OTOH, I ask the B.Soc to do it electronically and instantly with EFT
(with much less human intervention) it costs £20. So I reckon Coy House are
offering a good deal.

We all know that computers cost far more than people ;-)
 
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Jonathan Bryce

Andy said:
I realise that it's 'only' £15, but then I think that's they get away
with it. If it were more then people would ask more questions about
it.
If you were a Sole Trader, you would instead pay £2.05 per week for Class II
NI.
 
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Dave T

Andy said:
Which doesn't suggest that it pays for anything else but to handle the
return of the unwanted (and usually unnecessary) form that they sent
to me in the first place.
It is not unneccesary, even if no amendments are made, as it gives
assurance to the public that the director/shareholder details are
correct, on a regular basis.
 
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Simon

Andy Turner said:
If that's the case, it's terribly described. On the Annual Return
covering letter it states:

"The fee for the Annual Return is £15"

On the other hand, the IR will only charge you if you DONT send in the
annual Return
 
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Mike Lewis

Andy Turner said:
What exactly does this pay for? What service do I get for this fee?

They send me a form which I didn't want. Nothing is ever different
since you need to tell them immediately if anything changes anyway
(such as a change of address etc..). So I have to take time out to
check it, sign it and post it back to them at my own expense (no
pre-paid envelope either of course).
<snip>

So ask them, under the freedom of information act, how they calculated the
fee.
 
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Andy Turner

<snip>

So ask them, under the freedom of information act, how they calculated the
fee.
Ooh, interesting. Presumably they'll charge me for the privilege
though!



andyt
 
A

Andy Turner

If I fill in a form and hence draw a chq from my B.Soc. a/c and walk it next
door to the bank, fill in another form, and pay into my current a/c, it's
totally free.

If, OTOH, I ask the B.Soc to do it electronically and instantly with EFT
(with much less human intervention) it costs £20. So I reckon Coy House are
offering a good deal.
Ah, but in your example you wanted the service and so were happy to
pay. In this instance, it's *them* asking you for something. You could
argue that they ought to pay us for filling in *their* annual return
form.

What if everyone that had your address (your banks, mobile phone,
credit cards, etc..), wrote to you each year to confirm everything
you'd already told them and charged you £15 each whilst they were at
it? Would everyone be happy with that?



andyt
 
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Peter Saxton

Ah, but in your example you wanted the service and so were happy to
pay. In this instance, it's *them* asking you for something. You could
argue that they ought to pay us for filling in *their* annual return
form.
You wanted the service too else you wouldnt have registered a company.

Everyone but you seems to understand that the fee covers the cost of
various activities but you want it explained in the description. If
you are happy to receive a letter explaining what costs it pays for I
am sure someone at Companies House will advise.
 

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