backing up to a CD-RW


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mikaelamegan

When i attempt to backup to a CD-RW, I am instructed that I do not have
administartor's privlidges to do so. I have Windows XP, and I am the
administrator and only active account. I have double-checked and I am listed
as the computer's administrator. Is this a "Money" administrator, or
computer administrator?
 
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Vadim Rapp

m> When i attempt to backup to a CD-RW, I am instructed that I do
m> not have administartor's privlidges to do so. I have Windows
m> XP, and I am the administrator and only active account. I
m> have double-checked and I am listed as the computer's
m> administrator. Is this a "Money" administrator, or computer
m> administrator?

Money does not support backing up to cdrw. Most likely, the error message
about administrative privileges is issued in response to some other
inability.

This is very often seen in microsoft programs; in a nutshell, that piece of
the code, I think, looks like this:

let's backup to floppy
ask user for the drive letter
does such drive exist? if not, say "no such drive" and bomb out.
is drive ready? if not, say "not ready" and wait until ready
figure out how much space is on the drive.
Figured? if yes, and not enough space, say so; if did not figure, we don't
know what is it, but we don't have time to program the "investigation"
'cause the project manager wants to wrap this up a.s.a.p and move to the
integrating that new scam from experian - so let's just say something
believable/respactable, like admin privileges, those suckers users don't
know a thing anyway.

Vadim
 
M

MW

Seriously? Can you not even backup to a CD-RW with Money 2005!?!?! I
would have thought for sure they would made that feature available by
now.

Heck... Dell doesn't even sell machines with a floppy anymore... you
have to add it and pay extra. My last PC had a built-in Zip Drive and
all was well with Money 2004 backups, but my brand new PC doesn't...
what a hassle this will be now.

MW
 
D

Dick Watson

A CD-RW is NOT a standard random-access file system. If you are using some
software that makes it look like one, i.e., InCD, DirectCD,
DragToDisk--packet writing software--than Money will backup to them.

If Notepad can write a file to it, Money can backup to it. Notepad can write
to a Zip since a Zip is a standard random access file system.

The alternative is Money including all the code to deal with CD-RWs. Money
has enough issues without trying to go THERE.
 
M

MW

Fair enough... I never knew about InCD, DirectCD, DragToDisk. I'll
give them a try.

Your right, the LAST thing Money needs is another line of code.
 
J

Jim

I beg to differ, from my experience...

In money 2004, if I select file>backup, then choose "back up to hard
disk" and browse, my CD-RW drive appears aqs a selection. So did
money 2002 work that way as best I recall. I seriously hope this has
not gone away in the 2005 version.
 
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Dick Watson

Word to the wise: many people, myself included, have found reliability
problems with these packet-writing tools. Whether these problems are limited
to a particular version or a particular product I cannot say. Always
periodically test to make sure your backups really are and do not depend on
just one form of backup or on backups stored in just one location.
 
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Jim

Sorry I missed this reply posted 3 min before mine. My HP pavillion
is indeed running a piece of software called DLA (HP proprietary?)
and I guess that's what makes my CDRW accessible as a hard drive with
NT file system. In fact when I took program that out of the startup
menu, because it is generating an error message every time I reboot
saying the program had to close, I was indeed unable to read or write
to the CD RW.

Jim
..
 
D

Dick Watson

Do you have a CD Burner software product like Nero or Easy Coaster (CD)
Creator installed? If so, they likely installed their respective packet
writing tools.
 
C

Cal Learner-- MVP

I beg to differ, from my experience...

In money 2004, if I select file>backup, then choose "back up to hard
disk" and browse, my CD-RW drive appears aqs a selection. So did
money 2002 work that way as best I recall. I seriously hope this has
not gone away in the 2005 version.
It has not. You are using XP.



A really good arrangement is to use a USB flash drive as the
removable.

Let Money back up to the hard drive frequently.

Use Glyn Simpson's method at http://www.mvps.org/money/backup.htm to
copy the latest hard drive back up to CDR every week or three.
 
C

Cal Learner-- MVP

Sorry I missed this reply posted 3 min before mine. My HP pavillion
is indeed running a piece of software called DLA (HP proprietary?)
and I guess that's what makes my CDRW accessible as a hard drive with
NT file system. In fact when I took program that out of the startup
menu, because it is generating an error message every time I reboot
saying the program had to close, I was indeed unable to read or write
to the CD RW.

With XP you can do the same thing without additional software. The
downside to having your hard drive backup to the CDR, is that you
don't also have it on he hard drive. (presumably you could do that
with Excel et al also.) Another disadvantage is that if you don't
change the file name, it would overwrite the existing backup on the
CDR.

Here is how I like to handle backups currently:


In Tools->Options->Backup [M05: Tools->Settings->BackupOptions]
I suggest checking
x Automatically backup to hard disk on exit
x Prompt me before backing up each time*
x Make my file small ...

Then periodically, perhaps once per month or more, copy your
latest backup (named differently from your earlier backups) to a
CDR. With XP, this can be a copy and paste operation. Otherwise
use the burning software that came with your CDR drive.

I strongly suggest use of a USB Flash drive also, in addition to
backing up to your hard drive. They typically act like a big
floppy. For a more automated way to make multiple backups, see
Glyn Simpson's method at http://money.mvps.org/backup.aspx


* This has two advantages. You can change the file name
occasionally. I like to pick a name something like money040328.
Then it is easy to change the name to have multiple backups. The
..mbf extension is automatic. The other advantage is that you can
choose "Don't Back Up, or you change your mind about exiting by
simply clicking the X in the upper right of the pop-up box.
 
J

Jim

FWIW considering the next installment in the thread I did install
Nero 18 months or so ago.

Jim
 
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Vadim Rapp

CLM> Here is how I like to handle backups currently:

Given that the best disaster recovery storage is an offsite one, I wonder,
would there be, say, $10 interest in a program that would automatically zip
up the file (with password) and upload to ftp server (webspace on ISP for
instance)? I wrote one for myself about 5 years ago.

Vadim
 

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