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[mart2306]

I do as well, all the profit they make from free labour, it must be a real
burden for them. They do not have any jobs to offer, but plenty of work to
keep people on placements busy.




I think you mean for the sake of the UK slave trade and poverty wage payers.
The least I can do is tell them to **** off, with their £10 a week better
off. The "better off in work calculation" that ignores travelling costs
which is at least £20 per week on public transport. Am I the only one who
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LOL.
Slave trade? Poverty wage payers?
But you haven't shown you have the skills to be worth more than the
lowest pay.

And yet other people manage to live on wages.

Many areas have public transport travel cards. Depending on the hours
and travel distance, can be fairly cheap. Such things as riding a bike
are even cheaper. Or there's always getting a lift in with a work
colleague.
And yes, you are probably the only one to see the lunacy behind this.
Others merely get on with working.

Martin <><

 

[mart2306]

We know you live in your own little world where everything is the exact
opposite. The imaginary billions. I say imaginary because it would make
headline news if the government spent billions on adult education.

I was listening to a consumer program about 2 weeks ago, where adults could
not get on courses because the government wants colleges to train up more
young people. So the oldies were naturally upset by this, considered it to
be age discrimination. Any course of value to getting work, like plumbing,
was always fully booked by youngsters. Even though older people attended the
vetting process, they were not selected to go on the course, only the
youngest were being selected. It was after the threat of a law suit for age
discrimination, and I dare say the unwanted publicity on radio, the college
agreed to give a place to an older student (47 years old) on the next course
they run.

I tried for 6 years to get on a plumbing course in my area. They do not
advertise them well in advance any more because to many people apply, so
they advertise for about 2 weeks, even with that short exposure they still
get innundated. No compulsory or mandatory shite needed here.

Plenty of basket weaving, beauty and knitting courses though, no shortageof
crap like that. They will take anyone they can get. A bit like A4e and Shaw
Trust in that respect.

Look at an organisation called the Learning and Skills Council - you
often see their logo on college and training provider materials.
Budget is above £10 billion.
Thats one body, there are others.

Government spending billions on adult education isn't news, its simply
what has been going on for DECADES!
Funny how you hear about young people being given priority on courses.
Could this be in response to so many older people being given priority
on degree courses this year perhaps? Last I heard, mature students had
applied to university in record numbers.
And I didn't even have to show my A levels to get in.

Not sure how you consider only some courses of value to getting work.
I'd have said offhand that a degree in social work, an MPharm for
pharmacy or some of the teaching qualifications were of use too - but
done through university, not college level.
I honestly can't believe you've had trouble getting on a plumbing
course. I'd have thought it was too much like work for you.
Sure you applied? Sure you didn't just wait to be offered the course?
As I said, I pity you.

Martin <><

 

[Niteawk]

I do as well, all the profit they make from free labour, it must be a real
burden for them. They do not have any jobs to offer, but plenty of work to
keep people on placements busy.




I think you mean for the sake of the UK slave trade and poverty wage
payers.
The least I can do is tell them to **** off, with their £10 a week better
off. The "better off in work calculation" that ignores travelling costs
which is at least £20 per week on public transport. Am I the only one who
sees the lunacy behind this!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL.
Slave trade? Poverty wage payers?
But you haven't shown you have the skills to be worth more than the
lowest pay.
You may laugh and joke about it, but you are right. Why should poor people
have any sort of life, just because they are not skilled. Treat them like
shit, that will teach them for being born. Still it shows the mentality of
those well off in society when they see fit to treat people with such
contempt. Right back at you is what I say.

 

[Niteawk]

We know you live in your own little world where everything is the exact
opposite. The imaginary billions. I say imaginary because it would make
headline news if the government spent billions on adult education.

I was listening to a consumer program about 2 weeks ago, where adults
could
not get on courses because the government wants colleges to train up more
young people. So the oldies were naturally upset by this, considered it to
be age discrimination. Any course of value to getting work, like plumbing,
was always fully booked by youngsters. Even though older people attended
the
vetting process, they were not selected to go on the course, only the
youngest were being selected. It was after the threat of a law suit for
age
discrimination, and I dare say the unwanted publicity on radio, the
college
agreed to give a place to an older student (47 years old) on the next
course
they run.

I tried for 6 years to get on a plumbing course in my area. They do not
advertise them well in advance any more because to many people apply, so
they advertise for about 2 weeks, even with that short exposure they still
get innundated. No compulsory or mandatory shite needed here.

Plenty of basket weaving, beauty and knitting courses though, no shortage
of
crap like that. They will take anyone they can get. A bit like A4e and
Shaw
Trust in that respect.

Look at an organisation called the Learning and Skills Council - you
often see their logo on college and training provider materials.
Budget is above £10 billion.
Thats one body, there are others.
NIMBY there isnt

 

[mart2306]

LOL.
Slave trade? Poverty wage payers?
But you haven't shown you have the skills to be worth more than the
lowest pay.



You may laugh and joke about it, but you are right. Why should poor people
have any sort of life, just because they are not skilled. Treat them like
shit, that will teach them for being born. Still it shows the mentality of
those well off in society when they see fit to treat people with such
contempt. Right back at you is what I say.

The minimum wage is the bottom rung of a ladder, not a place to stay
for the next 50 years.
Poor people can learn things, they can get promoted, they can go for a
different job if not earning enough on current one. The single major
disadvantage of a minimum wage is that it lumps many lower wages
together.
Nothing to stop people learning skills. With annual budgets well in
excess of £15 billion, advertising campaigns, leaflets, prospectuses
etc there isn't much more that can be done to advertise whats
available. It all boils down to the individual choosing to do
something.
Its easy to choose to learn something. Its just even easier to choose
not to learn something.

You've been unemployed about 9 years? Thats enough time part time to
take a degree and a masters, or full time get a PhD. So what did you
do with your time?

Martin <><

 

[mart2306]

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Look at an organisation called the Learning and Skills Council - you
often see their logo on college and training provider materials.
Budget is above £10 billion.
Thats one body, there are others.



NIMBY there isnt - Hide quoted text -

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You really don't have a university, college or adult training centre
anywhere in your area?
Thats really sad. Move out of that area then.

Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills is another body
providing funds for adult education.

Martin <><

 

[Niteawk]

LOL.
Slave trade? Poverty wage payers?
But you haven't shown you have the skills to be worth more than the
lowest pay.



You may laugh and joke about it, but you are right. Why should poor people
have any sort of life, just because they are not skilled. Treat them like
shit, that will teach them for being born. Still it shows the mentality of
those well off in society when they see fit to treat people with such
contempt. Right back at you is what I say.

The minimum wage is the bottom rung of a ladder, not a place to stay
for the next 50 years.
Poor people can learn things, they can get promoted, they can go for a
different job if not earning enough on current one. The single major
disadvantage of a minimum wage is that it lumps many lower wages
together.
Nothing to stop people learning skills. With annual budgets well in
excess of £15 billion, advertising campaigns, leaflets, prospectuses
etc there isn't much more that can be done to advertise whats
available. It all boils down to the individual choosing to do
something.
Its easy to choose to learn something. Its just even easier to choose
not to learn something.

You've been unemployed about 9 years? Thats enough time part time to
take a degree and a masters, or full time get a PhD. So what did you
do with your time?


You have only got to look at what the likes of A4e is offering to see how
comitted the government is in improving poor peoples lives. That is the only
level of so called education they can expect, and because it is crap, it has
to be forced on them. So please do not talk to me about what is on offer and
what people can get. Try to see what is in front of your eyes and
acknowledge it. You must attend their courses or they will stop your
benefit. No fancy jobs with promotional prospects for us, we get placements
and forced to work for no pay. No fancy education either, write your one
page crap CV and be done with it. That is how people like me are treated in
todays society, so excuse me if I choose to opt out of this madness, before
I end up killing someone.

 

[Niteawk]

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Look at an organisation called the Learning and Skills Council - you
often see their logo on college and training provider materials.
Budget is above £10 billion.
Thats one body, there are others.



NIMBY there isnt - Hide quoted text -

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You really don't have a university, college or adult training centre
anywhere in your area?
Thats really sad. Move out of that area then.

Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills is another body
providing funds for adult education.


All we have is airy fairy stuff, no good for manual worker peasant types.
Actually I recall some dealings with the LSC from way back. I asked them for
help towards course fees, they said they only provide funding if I was to
run a course of some sort, and the criteria to meet this was crazy. So they
may have x amount of money to give away, but in reality not many people meet
the requirements to get this funding. The money might be there to fund
courses, but not much if any of it is used on college courses, which is why
they charge fees.

 

[mart2306]

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The minimum wage is the bottom rung of a ladder, not a place to stay
for the next 50 years.
Poor people can learn things, they can get promoted, they can go for a
different job if not earning enough on current one. The single major
disadvantage of a minimum wage is that it lumps many lower wages
together.
Nothing to stop people learning skills. With annual budgets well in
excess of £15 billion, advertising campaigns, leaflets, prospectuses
etc there isn't much more that can be done to advertise whats
available. It all boils down to the individual choosing to do
something.
Its easy to choose to learn something. Its just even easier to choose
not to learn something.

You've been unemployed about 9 years? Thats enough time part time to
take a degree and a masters, or full time get a PhD. So what did you
do with your time?

Martin  <><



You have only got to look at what the likes of A4e is offering to see how
comitted the government is in improving poor peoples lives. That is the only
level of so called education they can expect, and because it is crap, it has
to be forced on them. So please do not talk to me about what is on offer and
what people can get. Try to see what is in front of your eyes and
acknowledge it. You must attend their courses or they will stop your
benefit. No fancy jobs with promotional prospects for us, we get placements
and forced to work for no pay. No fancy education either, write your one
page crap CV and be done with it. That is how people like me are treated in
todays society, so excuse me if I choose to opt out of this madness, before
I end up killing someone.

Yes, you have only to look at the non-A4e stuff on offer for people to
see the committment. Hundreds of billions of pounds over decades but
people aren't forced to take advantage of whats on offer.
Are you seriously suggesting that people can only go on mandatory
training courses only and not choose to study themselves? Because my
experiences are opposite to that.
The education they can expect is the same education as I can expect.
As much as wanted, up to the level they want, subject to funding for
post-degree education (there is some funding available).

By your requirements, people can only take whats forced on them. By
what the government spend billions of pounds on each year, by the
experiences of my family and friends, education is offered for the
taking.
I've done academic subjects at night school, I've done distance
learning, I've done 'practical' subjects that have helped me maintain
my house and save money by doing work myself, I've done evening
language lessons (great fun) and open university courses where they
gave me £250 free as a grant each year and the courses were free due
to income. Could have stayed with the OU and had a degree in 6 years
for free!
And after all that, I start a degree next week full time. Education
offered for the taking.


You choose not to take advantage of that, its up to you. But other
people can and do take advantage of the educational opportunities on
offer.
Hell, come to think of it there was quite a bit in the press late last
month about A level students and the shortage of university places.
You may not have noticed it but university in this country isn't
forced on anyone.

Your choice, take advantage of whats on offer or not. Knowing you,
won't take advantage until such time as its forced on you......

Oh, and if you haven't yet got a degree, can get one where you get
given more than £7,300 a year tax free and whatever you choose to earn
in a part time job on top of that. And no council tax payable.
Current student loan interest rate is 0%.

Martin <><

 

[mart2306]

You really don't have a university, college or adult training centre
anywhere in your area?
Thats really sad. Move out of that area then.

Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills is another body
providing funds for adult education.

Martin  <><



All we have is airy fairy stuff, no good for manual worker peasant types.
Actually I recall some dealings with the LSC from way back. I asked them for
help towards course fees, they said they only provide funding if I was to
run a course of some sort, and the criteria to meet this was crazy. So they
may have x amount of money to give away, but in reality not many people meet
the requirements to get this funding. The money might be there to fund
courses, but not much if any of it is used on college courses, which is why
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Ah yes, the sheer surplus of manual worker jobs this country has.
Doesn't stop a manual worker increasing their skills.

And LOL - you asked the LSC for funding direct? You complete idiot,
thats for the course provider to ask as you found out. The course
provider arranges the course to be free with the relevant paperwork.
Many charities, companies and educational establishments meet the
requirements to run a course using LSC funding. Not exactly hard for
organisations. I've been on several courses paid for by them over the
years.
Didn't help me get into university as I applied without listing my
achievements but look good on a CV and worth studying in themselves
anyway.

Martin <><

 

[Niteawk]

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The minimum wage is the bottom rung of a ladder, not a place to stay
for the next 50 years.
Poor people can learn things, they can get promoted, they can go for a
different job if not earning enough on current one. The single major
disadvantage of a minimum wage is that it lumps many lower wages
together.
Nothing to stop people learning skills. With annual budgets well in
excess of £15 billion, advertising campaigns, leaflets, prospectuses
etc there isn't much more that can be done to advertise whats
available. It all boils down to the individual choosing to do
something.
Its easy to choose to learn something. Its just even easier to choose
not to learn something.

You've been unemployed about 9 years? Thats enough time part time to
take a degree and a masters, or full time get a PhD. So what did you
do with your time?

Martin <><



You have only got to look at what the likes of A4e is offering to see how
comitted the government is in improving poor peoples lives. That is the
only
level of so called education they can expect, and because it is crap, it
has
to be forced on them. So please do not talk to me about what is on offer
and
what people can get. Try to see what is in front of your eyes and
acknowledge it. You must attend their courses or they will stop your
benefit. No fancy jobs with promotional prospects for us, we get
placements
and forced to work for no pay. No fancy education either, write your one
page crap CV and be done with it. That is how people like me are treated
in
todays society, so excuse me if I choose to opt out of this madness,
before
I end up killing someone.

Yes, you have only to look at the non-A4e stuff on offer for people to
see the committment. Hundreds of billions of pounds over decades but
people aren't forced to take advantage of whats on offer.
Are you seriously suggesting that people can only go on mandatory
training courses only and not choose to study themselves? Because my
experiences are opposite to that.
The education they can expect is the same education as I can expect.
As much as wanted, up to the level they want, subject to funding for
post-degree education (there is some funding available).

By your requirements, people can only take whats forced on them. By
what the government spend billions of pounds on each year, by the
experiences of my family and friends, education is offered for the
taking.
I've done academic subjects at night school, I've done distance
learning, I've done 'practical' subjects that have helped me maintain
my house and save money by doing work myself, I've done evening
language lessons (great fun) and open university courses where they
gave me £250 free as a grant each year and the courses were free due
to income. Could have stayed with the OU and had a degree in 6 years
for free!
And after all that, I start a degree next week full time. Education
offered for the taking.


You choose not to take advantage of that, its up to you. But other
people can and do take advantage of the educational opportunities on
offer.
Hell, come to think of it there was quite a bit in the press late last
month about A level students and the shortage of university places.
You may not have noticed it but university in this country isn't
forced on anyone.

Your choice, take advantage of whats on offer or not. Knowing you,
won't take advantage until such time as its forced on you......

Oh, and if you haven't yet got a degree, can get one where you get
given more than £7,300 a year tax free and whatever you choose to earn
in a part time job on top of that. And no council tax payable.
Current student loan interest rate is 0%.


You seem to forget I have 10 years of experience dealing with the system.
There is nothing on offer to the unemployed except mandatory BS courses. And
I have already explained to you about college courses in my area, if there
is a course worth doing, it is impossible to get on. They have not run any
worthwhile courses for very long time now. It is all business type courses.
No good to manual worker types like me.

The bottom line is they do not want the unemployed to learn, all they want
them to do is apply for temp, warehouse and retail jobs, nothing else.

 

[mart2306]

You seem to forget I have 10 years of experience dealing with the system.
There is nothing on offer to the unemployed except mandatory BS courses. And
I have already explained to you about college courses in my area, if there
is a course worth doing, it is impossible to get on. They have not run any
worthwhile courses for very long time now. It is all business type courses.
No good to manual worker types like me.

The bottom line is they do not want the unemployed to learn, all they want
them to do is apply for temp, warehouse and retail jobs, nothing else.- Hide quoted text -

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You only choose to see the mandatory courses. Many hundreds of non-
mandatory courses you can do without affecting your benefit.
And college courses in your area are so popular? Maybe other people
want to increase skills? Surely they aren't required to go on those
courses, instead choosing to do them?
I'm suprised too - most college courses are advertised weeks in
advance and people just go down on the registration day to sign up.
Trying to sign up the day the course starts could be tricky, but with
all your spare time I'm sure you are going on the morning of
registration day.

Hard to believe they don't run worthwhile courses. Especially this
year where many areas are doing more academic courses than vocational
or hobby courses. Nothing to stop hobby courses becoming a little
earner either.


The bottom line is that billions is spent on allowing the unemployed
(or employed with spare time) to learn. But is down to choice again -
you choose to study something or not. You aren't being forced into it.
And to think, the increase in mature students going to university this
year is apparently because redundant workers (hence unemployed) are
going for degrees and to escape the recession for 3 years.
The government want people to learn. They just won't force you, you
have to do it yourself.

Martin <><

 

[Niteawk]

You only choose to see the mandatory courses. Many hundreds of non-
mandatory courses you can do without affecting your benefit.
And college courses in your area are so popular? Maybe other people
want to increase skills? Surely they aren't required to go on those
courses, instead choosing to do them?
I'm suprised too - most college courses are advertised weeks in
advance and people just go down on the registration day to sign up.
Trying to sign up the day the course starts could be tricky, but with
all your spare time I'm sure you are going on the morning of
registration day.

Hard to believe they don't run worthwhile courses. Especially this
year where many areas are doing more academic courses than vocational
or hobby courses. Nothing to stop hobby courses becoming a little
earner either.


The bottom line is that billions is spent on allowing the unemployed
(or employed with spare time) to learn. But is down to choice again -
you choose to study something or not. You aren't being forced into it.
And to think, the increase in mature students going to university this
year is apparently because redundant workers (hence unemployed) are
going for degrees and to escape the recession for 3 years.
The government want people to learn. They just won't force you, you
have to do it yourself.

Martin <><

Ok lets put it another way, they may be spending billions but it is not
getting or did not get to people like me who needed it. After 10 years of
trying I have given up. I am going to stay on the dole until retirement age,
not that I set out to do this, this is how it has ended up. Thanks to the
crap courses I was forced to attend, I have lost all interest in doing
anything any more. They fucked me about when I wanted to learn a trade so I
could earn a decent living, they wanted me to apply for was low paid
warehouse work that was no good to me, and that is all they still want me to
do. They have not budged 1 inch in the last 10 years, it is the same old
crap all the time. It is this unwillingness to try something different just
for once that pisses me off the most. The bottom line here is, nobody is
going to force me into a low paid warehouse job.

Anyway they should not have allowed me to be out of work for this long, and
tried something different akin to the old system. After I was 2 or 3 years
on the dole, they should have shoved their hitlerite rules up their fat
fucking arses and listened to me. After all I am the one who is out of work.
Before any of this shit came in I was hardly ever out of work. Crazy as it
sounds, all they had to do was let me get on with it. But nooooo, you cant
do dat. you do wat we tell yuh innit

 

[mart2306]

Ok lets put it another way, they may be spending billions but it is not
getting or did not get to people like me who needed it. After 10 years of
trying I have given up. I am going to stay on the dole until retirement age,
not that I set out to do this, this is how it has ended up. Thanks to the
crap courses I was forced to attend, I have lost all interest in doing
anything any more. They fucked me about when I wanted to learn a trade soI
could earn a decent living, they wanted me to apply for was low paid
warehouse work that was no good to me, and that is all they still want meto
do. They have not budged 1 inch in the last 10 years, it is the same old
crap all the time. It is this unwillingness to try something different just
for once that pisses me off the most. The bottom line here is, nobody is
going to force me into a low paid warehouse job.

Anyway they should not have allowed me to be out of work for this long, and
tried something different akin to the old system. After I was 2 or 3 years
on the dole, they should have shoved their hitlerite rules up their fat
fucking arses and listened to me. After all I am the one who is out of work.
Before any of this shit came in I was hardly ever out of work. Crazy as it
sounds, all they had to do was let me get on with it. But nooooo, you cant
do dat. you do wat we tell yuh innit - Hide quoted text -

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ROTFLOL!!!!

Its not getting to you because you aren't using it. Whats to stop you
doing an open university course? Whats to stop you doing an NVQ at
college? Whats to stop you doing other courses on offer, during the
day or evening?
The answer is you. Its your choice. Your choice to do, or not to do.


Ok, so you are going to stay on the dole until retirement. Nice goal -
hopefully not your only goal in life. That means you get to jump
through all the hoops the JC want to put you through until then. Have
fun with that.
I admire your determination to reach your goal even if I think your
goal is daft.

Glad to see they haven't budged an inch in 10 years, consistancy is
good in a government department.
True, no-one is going to force you into a low paid warehouse job. Just
as no-one is going to force the JC to pay you full benefits every
week. No-one is forced and everyone is therefore happy eh?

Not sure how THEY should not have allowed you to be out of work this
long. They don't get to apply for jobs, you do. The question is, why
have you allowed yourself to be out of work this long?
As for the old system, that was the old system - not been around in
years. Things change, not always for the better but change always
happens.

And why should they have shoved their rules anywhere and listened to
you? Takes government or commissioners to change rules or
interpretations of rules, and I don't recall listening to the client
was ever part of benefit law.
Yes, you are the one out of work. Other people manage to find work,
why not you? Just unlucky all these years? Or setting the standard way
too high?

And letting you get on with it? Exactly what have you been doing for
the past 10 years when not on mandatory courses or signing on?
You claim benefit and agree to the benefit conditions. You may not
like the conditions but you won't get the benefit unless you do agree
to keep to them. Whats so different about you that you've had 10 years
of it?

Tell you what, come and live up in the Black Country. We have the
highest unemployment rate in the UK apparently but come up here and
see about finding a course you can do, or loads of job adverts. And
can travel quite a distance on a bus pass or a £3.30 daysaver pretty
much across the county. Or if you haven't got a degree, I hear
Wolverhampton still has a place or two left.


Martin <><

 

[Niteawk]

Ok lets put it another way, they may be spending billions but it is not
getting or did not get to people like me who needed it. After 10 years of
trying I have given up. I am going to stay on the dole until retirement
age,
not that I set out to do this, this is how it has ended up. Thanks to the
crap courses I was forced to attend, I have lost all interest in doing
anything any more. They fucked me about when I wanted to learn a trade so
I
could earn a decent living, they wanted me to apply for was low paid
warehouse work that was no good to me, and that is all they still want me
to
do. They have not budged 1 inch in the last 10 years, it is the same old
crap all the time. It is this unwillingness to try something different
just
for once that pisses me off the most. The bottom line here is, nobody is
going to force me into a low paid warehouse job.

Anyway they should not have allowed me to be out of work for this long,
and
tried something different akin to the old system. After I was 2 or 3 years
on the dole, they should have shoved their hitlerite rules up their fat
fucking arses and listened to me. After all I am the one who is out of
work.
Before any of this shit came in I was hardly ever out of work. Crazy as it
sounds, all they had to do was let me get on with it. But nooooo, you cant
do dat. you do wat we tell yuh innit - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

ROTFLOL!!!!

Its not getting to you because you aren't using it. Whats to stop you
doing an open university course? Whats to stop you doing an NVQ at
college? Whats to stop you doing other courses on offer, during the
day or evening?
The answer is you. Its your choice. Your choice to do, or not to do.


Ok, so you are going to stay on the dole until retirement. Nice goal -
hopefully not your only goal in life. That means you get to jump
through all the hoops the JC want to put you through until then. Have
fun with that.
I admire your determination to reach your goal even if I think your
goal is daft.

Glad to see they haven't budged an inch in 10 years, consistancy is
good in a government department.
True, no-one is going to force you into a low paid warehouse job. Just
as no-one is going to force the JC to pay you full benefits every
week. No-one is forced and everyone is therefore happy eh?

Not sure how THEY should not have allowed you to be out of work this
long. They don't get to apply for jobs, you do. The question is, why
have you allowed yourself to be out of work this long?
As for the old system, that was the old system - not been around in
years. Things change, not always for the better but change always
happens.

And why should they have shoved their rules anywhere and listened to
you? Takes government or commissioners to change rules or
interpretations of rules, and I don't recall listening to the client
was ever part of benefit law.
Yes, you are the one out of work. Other people manage to find work,
why not you? Just unlucky all these years? Or setting the standard way
too high?

And letting you get on with it? Exactly what have you been doing for
the past 10 years when not on mandatory courses or signing on?
You claim benefit and agree to the benefit conditions. You may not
like the conditions but you won't get the benefit unless you do agree
to keep to them. Whats so different about you that you've had 10 years
of it?

Tell you what, come and live up in the Black Country. We have the
highest unemployment rate in the UK apparently but come up here and
see about finding a course you can do, or loads of job adverts. And
can travel quite a distance on a bus pass or a £3.30 daysaver pretty
much across the county. Or if you haven't got a degree, I hear
Wolverhampton still has a place or two left.


When I saw photos of prisoners being tortured in Guantanamo Bay, I started
having flashbacks from when I was on A4e, only on A4e they use more severe
torture techniques, the staring at the same newspaper for weeks on end is
probably the worst. I thought it would be a lot easier if they got me to lie
bollock naked on a pile of other naked people as a team building exercise.

 

[mart2306]

When I saw photos of prisoners being tortured in Guantanamo Bay, I started
having flashbacks from when I was on A4e, only on A4e they use more severe
torture techniques, the staring at the same newspaper for weeks on end is
probably the worst. I thought it would be a lot easier if they got me to lie
bollock naked on a pile of other naked people as a team building exercise.- Hide quoted text -

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You compare Guantanamo Bay tortures to what happened on your A4e
course? You are one sick individual.
Perhaps you'd care to find out the differences firsthand someday?

Martin <><

 

[Niteawk]

You compare Guantanamo Bay tortures to what happened on your A4e
course? You are one sick individual.
Perhaps you'd care to find out the differences firsthand someday?

Martin <><

They are one and the same IMO, they both make people do mindless and silly
tasks which is a form of mental torture. Both of them threaten you with
some form of punishment to make you comply. Both of them hold people against
their will. I really cant see what the difference is.

 

[Finn]

Hey, Niteawk,
don't know if you get this seeing as the string is 6 months old but I'd
appreciate being able to go over this with you. I'm a just finished trainee
teacher, having worked all my life abroad, and I was more than shocked at my
placement which was with a provider about which you speak. I know this has
been going on a long time, I can honestly say teaching there was good but
had nothing to do with finding work. Your post buddy Martin talks about
education, which is fine, but people go to these places to find work and it
is true that benefits are etcetc when you go.
Maybe talking about it might get some ideas, even if it is for me to take a
totally different line. ie eg force people to pay for volunteers under the
Citizens Charter or whatever else bs backup the state makes for itself.
Types like Emma Harrison should be forced to test the nature of the product
that makes them rich I agree, the ND thing is stupid. The money should be
spent on creating JOBS not training for unemployment.
Martin is right in that in some areas of the country there is access to
education but you are right in that it is forced and irrelevant if you
simply want to work. I also agree with you, sadly, about Shaw Trust. It is
fine to have high ideals, so prove it, is what I would say and they can't.
The will has gone to create work, perhaps it is down to IT and computers,
culture is deluded and reverts to tyranny - if so, then I am sure some idiot
with fingers on cash can see a better use of IT. Instead of education I see
the point to be to create a new kind of 'WORK' and force people to pay for
it, not force people to do work which is old and abusive. The 'great
generation' can now shop and be served by the 'worst' generation - this
country simply has a disability of consciousness. That is something that can
change but not by following an old route. I utterly empathise with your
views and would like to throw the whole system out. I think the local
councils should be obliged to employ every person in their books, and that
would include richer councils with people who don't have to work. They can
volunteer to do up the poorer areas. Why shouldnt it work both ways?

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