Benefits & Immigrants


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WLTK

I would like to know how many people in UK are on benefits, unemployment
or sickness, long and short term

Also, how many ££'s is it really £100bn pa ?

Immigration, how many total, how many illegal, how many economic, how
many on benefits

Pointers or facts welcome

TIA
 
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Bystander

WLTK said:
I would like to know how many people in UK are on benefits, unemployment
or sickness, long and short term

Also, how many ££'s is it really £100bn pa ?

Immigration, how many total, how many illegal, how many economic, how
many on benefits

Pointers or facts welcome
It's all out there on the Net, but you are going to have to get Googling I
am afraid.
 
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Martin Davies

WLTK said:
I would like to know how many people in UK are on benefits, unemployment
or sickness, long and short term

Also, how many ££'s is it really £100bn pa ?

Immigration, how many total, how many illegal, how many economic, how
many on benefits

Pointers or facts welcome

TIA
You also need to figure out what you mean by benefits.
A few years ago, family credit was a benefit. Its replacement isn't a
benefit, but a tax credit. So think about if you are going to lump that in
with the benefits or stick it to one side as a tax credit.

Martin <><
 
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Kuacou

Immigration, how many total, how many illegal, how many economic, how
many on benefits
Impossible to determine unless you take account that EU/EEA/Swiss migrants
have absolute right to enter and live, although they are not entitled to
stay and claim benefits unless their original migration was motivated by
employment or other economic activity (or family membership of a community
migrant so motivated), etc. etc.
 
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Richard Buttrey

I would like to know how many people in UK are on benefits, unemployment
or sickness, long and short term

Also, how many ££'s is it really £100bn pa ?

Immigration, how many total, how many illegal, how many economic, how
many on benefits
By its very nature, how would anyone know how many illegals there are?

You can rest assured that if David Blunkett didn't know, then there's
fat chance for the rest of us.

Rgds

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Richard Buttrey
Grappenhall, Cheshire, UK
__________________________
 
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Alec

Richard Buttrey said:
By its very nature, how would anyone know how many illegals there are?

You can rest assured that if David Blunkett didn't know, then there's
fat chance for the rest of us.
It has been estimated anywhere between 3,000 and 300,000!

Alec
 
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Andy Pandy

WLTK said:
I would like to know how many people in UK are on benefits, unemployment
or sickness, long and short term
Depends whether you include tax credits.
Also, how many ££'s is it really £100bn pa ?
No, it's about £120 billion, or £130 billion if you include tax credits. Works
out to over a quarter of the tax take, and over double the amount spent on the
NHS.
 
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Martin Davies

Marcus Houlden said:
I wouldn't trust anything an anti-immigration pressure group has to say
about immigration.

mh.
Would you trust anything a pro-immigration group says about immigration
either?

Martin <><
 
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Pat Winstanley

WLTK@once.invalid said:
I would like to know how many people in UK are on benefits, unemployment
or sickness, long and short term

Also, how many ££'s is it really £100bn pa ?

Immigration, how many total, how many illegal, how many economic, how
many on benefits

Pointers or facts welcome

TIA
Try looking here:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/
 
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Gaz

Marcus Houlden said:
I wouldn't trust anything an anti-immigration pressure group has to say
about immigration.
Or a pro immigration Government. Probably somewhere in between.

Gaz
 
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WLTK

No, it's about £120 billion, or £130 billion if you include tax credits. Works
out to over a quarter of the tax take, and over double the amount spent on the
NHS.
So, with a UK population of 60m, approx 29m in work, it costs, on
average, each taxpayer approx £4,000 annually to feed the benefits
system. Assuming of course all workers pay tax, probably proportionately
more.

Or am I wrong here somehow ?

And yes, some taxpayers will also be benefit claimants.

Can't seem to find Government figures which show exactly how much, on
average, each taxpayer pays into benefits, or how many people on
benefits each taxpayer supports.

With emigration going up each year, ie working population going down,
just who will support the benefits system in the future, shades of State
Pension problems here I think.

Any more helpful links appreciated.

Thanks
 
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Nebulous

WLTK said:
So, with a UK population of 60m, approx 29m in work, it costs, on
average, each taxpayer approx £4,000 annually to feed the benefits
system. Assuming of course all workers pay tax, probably proportionately
more.

Or am I wrong here somehow ?
I haven't worked out the figures- but remember companies pay taxes too.
And yes, some taxpayers will also be benefit claimants.
Many of them will claim something, such as child benefit.
Can't seem to find Government figures which show exactly how much, on
average, each taxpayer pays into benefits, or how many people on
benefits each taxpayer supports.

With emigration going up each year, ie working population going down,
just who will support the benefits system in the future, shades of State
Pension problems here I think.
There is a problem with benefits as you have identified, just as there is
with pensions, but the main reason is a drop in the proportion of working
people as the population ages. I don't think emigration plays much of a role
in the UK. (although it does in Scotland) It is probably more than balanced
by immigration. At the moment immigration is deliberately quite limited,
but we are going to have to attract new people from abroad.

Jack MConnell is already trying to attract people to Scotland, and the rest
of the UK will have to follow suit eventually.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4163471.stm

Neb
 
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Alan G

There is a problem with benefits as you have identified, just as there is
with pensions, but the main reason is a drop in the proportion of working
people as the population ages. I don't think emigration plays much of a role
in the UK. (although it does in Scotland) It is probably more than balanced
by immigration. At the moment immigration is deliberately quite limited,
but we are going to have to attract new people from abroad.

Jack MConnell is already trying to attract people to Scotland, and the rest
of the UK will have to follow suit eventually.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4163471.stm
I saw an interesting report on tv text the other day but haven't been
able to verify it. Said the government were trying to encourage the 15
million britons living overseas eligible to vote to register. Set me
to wondering what would happen if all those 15 million (if they exist)
decided to return. It's a lot of people. Quarter of the population
roughly.
 
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Mark Preston

WLTK said:
I would like to know how many people in UK are on benefits, unemployment
or sickness, long and short term

Also, how many ££'s is it really £100bn pa ?

Immigration, how many total, how many illegal, how many economic, how
many on benefits

Pointers or facts welcome
We now have a Freedom of Information Act. So use it yourself.
 
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Tom

WLTK wrote...
And yes, some taxpayers will also be benefit claimants.

Can't seem to find Government figures which show exactly how much, on
average, each taxpayer pays into benefits, or how many people on
benefits each taxpayer supports.

You need to define what you mean by 'benefits'
You will get the statistics from the Budget, DWP, IND/RDS, ONS, etc.

With emigration going up each year, ie working population going down,
just who will support the benefits system in the future, shades of State
Pension problems here I think.

Net immigration is estimated to be going up by about 250,000 per year.
 
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S Nitchel

Andy Pandy said:
Depends whether you include tax credits.


No, it's about £120 billion, or £130 billion if you include tax credits. Works
out to over a quarter of the tax take, and over double the amount spent on the
NHS.
Bloody hell, is that all?
What the **** is the other £400 billion wasted on for fucks sake?
This country is really screw up.
Its about time benefits were linked back to average earnings.
 

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