Can I file 1040 as an amended tax form after I file a 1040A?


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Bobby

For fed taxes:

I am years late filing and paying my taxes, and under a deadline now.
Can I still file 1040 as an amended tax form later, after I file a
1040A now in order to meet the deadline they have given me?

Is my current deliquency a bar to getting a reduction of interest and
penalties, by filing an amended tax form, after filing one now with no
deductions in time for an individual deadline given to me on the phone
by an officer of the IRS?

I had little income and don't owe that much tax, and may not benefit
much by filing an amended 1040A, but still, have I lost that chance by
being so late.

I think the main thing I would gain is the form 1116 foreign tax
credit, but that would reduce my taxes iirc on a dollar per dollar
basis (almost?) as well as interest and penalties. So it might be
worth it.

Given my past behaviour and my ongoing state of depression, I'll
probably never get around to filing amended returns, and I'll consider
any extra money paid to be a) a contribution to America, b) my
punishment for being tardy. But I should still know if I can or not.

I may really need the money, I don't know. Just as I've been negligent
with taxes, I've been negligent with everything else and don't even
know how much money I have to live on.

Thanks a lot.
 
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Mark Bole

Bobby said:
For fed taxes:

I am years late filing and paying my taxes, and under a deadline now.
Can I still file 1040 as an amended tax form later, after I file a
1040A now in order to meet the deadline they have given me?
"2. Taxpayers can use Form 1040X to correct previously filed Forms 1040,
1040A or 1040EZ. The 1040X can also be used to correct a return filed
electronically."

I don't have answers to your other questions right now, but you could
start doing some additional research at:

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=108657,00.html

which also has links to 1040X instructions.

-Mark Bole
 
D

D. Stussy

Bobby said:
I am years late filing and paying my taxes, and under a deadline now.
Can I still file 1040 as an amended tax form later, after I file a
1040A now in order to meet the deadline they have given me?
No. Amended returns belong on form 1040X.
Is my current deliquency a bar to getting a reduction of interest and
penalties, by filing an amended tax form, after filing one now with no
deductions in time for an individual deadline given to me on the phone
by an officer of the IRS?
Interest: Yes. There is no provision for a reduction.
Penalties: Depends. Simple procrastination is not a valid reason.
I had little income and don't owe that much tax, and may not benefit
much by filing an amended 1040A, but still, have I lost that chance by
being so late.

I think the main thing I would gain is the form 1116 foreign tax
credit, but that would reduce my taxes iirc on a dollar per dollar
basis (almost?) as well as interest and penalties. So it might be
worth it.
Check on this, but I don't believe you're eligble for form 1040A if you
need to include an 1116.
Given my past behaviour and my ongoing state of depression, I'll
probably never get around to filing amended returns, and I'll consider
any extra money paid to be a) a contribution to America, b) my
punishment for being tardy. But I should still know if I can or not.

I may really need the money, I don't know. Just as I've been negligent
with taxes, I've been negligent with everything else and don't even
know how much money I have to live on.
Insufficient information.
 
S

Salmon Egg

D. Stussy said:
No. Amended returns belong on form 1040X.
It has been a long time ago so my memory is hazy. I had some big changes
to make for an amended return. I thought that I would work out 1040 and
include it with my 1040X. BIG MISTAKE! The IRS treated the forms as a
new return so that I had two returns for one income. It got straightened
out but with considerable grief.

Do not push the envelope with IRS.

Bill
 
P

Phil Marti

Bobby said:
I am years late filing and paying my taxes, and under a deadline now.
Can I still file 1040 as an amended tax form later, after I file a
1040A now in order to meet the deadline they have given me?
I think what you meant to ask is whether you can include things on an
amended 1040A (always on Form 1040X) that wouldn't have been available on
Form 1040A. Yes, you can.

For future reference, why mess around with anything other than the 1040?
All you do is waste time figuring out whether your situation fits the 1040A.
Always use a 1040 and just skip the lines/parts that have nothing to do with
your situation.

Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD
 
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removeps-groups

For future reference, why mess around with anything other than the 1040?
All you do is waste time figuring out whether your situation fits the 1040A.
Always use a 1040 and just skip the lines/parts that have nothing to do with
your situation.
Some computer programs print out form 1040EZ, 1040A, or 1040
automatically depending on the return. There is often a setting to
force the use of 1040.
 
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\Jack\-:)

For fed taxes:

I am years late filing and paying my taxes, and under a deadline now.
Can I still file 1040 as an amended tax form later, after I file a
1040A now in order to meet the deadline they have given me?

Is my current deliquency a bar to getting a reduction of interest and
penalties, by filing an amended tax form, after filing one now with no
deductions in time for an individual deadline given to me on the phone
by an officer of the IRS?

I had little income and don't owe that much tax, and may not benefit
much by filing an amended 1040A, but still, have I lost that chance by
being so late.

I think the main thing I would gain is the form 1116 foreign tax
credit, but that would reduce my taxes iirc on a dollar per dollar
basis (almost?) as well as interest and penalties. � So it might be
worth it. �

Given my past behaviour and my ongoing state of depression, I'll
probably never get around to filing amended returns, and I'll consider
any extra money paid to be a) a contribution to America, b) my
punishment for being tardy. �But I should still know if I can or not.

I may really need the money, I don't know. Just as I've been negligent
with taxes, �I've been negligent with everything else and don't even
know how much money I have to live on.

Thanks a lot.

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If you are too disfunctional to deal with this matter, I'd suggest you
engage a professional to clean up the mess. When filing, If any of
your returns are filed 3 years after the due date of your original
return, you wlll lose any refund to which you may be due. If your
original return is incomplete, and an amended return is filed later,
that should be O.K but why delay??? You're only complicating what
may be a very simple matter. Rather than procrastinate, get
professional help and stop the agony. In the long run, it will likely
be much cheaper than what you have to pay and the suffering with which
you appear to afflicted. If you need more time, call the # at the top
of the letter IRS sent you and ask for it.
 
D

D. Stussy

Phil Marti said:
I think what you meant to ask is whether you can include things on an
amended 1040A (always on Form 1040X) that wouldn't have been available on
Form 1040A. Yes, you can.

For future reference, why mess around with anything other than the 1040?
All you do is waste time figuring out whether your situation fits the 1040A.
Always use a 1040 and just skip the lines/parts that have nothing to do with
your situation.
I do the same thing. The IRS must love us!

(The reason they have a 1040A and 1040EZ is to skip all those blank lines.)
 
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Phil Marti

D. Stussy said:
I do the same thing. The IRS must love us!

(The reason they have a 1040A and 1040EZ is to skip all those blank
lines.)
Actually it has as much to do with Congressional pressure as anything else.

I'm old enough to remember when the 1040A was an IBM punch card. I have no
smoking gun tapes, but I suspect that as Congress continued complifying the
law over the years, more and more people were unable to use the 1040A. I do
know that Congress started telling IRS to modify the 1040A so that certain
people could use it, e.g., when SS benefits became potentially taxable.
Last time I looked it was up to two pages and two or three attachments.

A few years from now we'll probably have the 1040-EZ (We really mean it this
time).

Phil Marti
Clarksburg, MD
 

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