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Cuddly

If someone gets incapacity benefit topped up with income support do they
still have to pay council tax?
Housing manager has told Louise (my daughter) that she is only allowed £605
towards council tax and she has to pay the difference, thought if you were
unemployed you paid zilch on council tax?
 
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Pat Winstanley

If someone gets incapacity benefit topped up with income support do they
still have to pay council tax?
IS (whatever amount) is an automatic entitlement to CTB (Council Tax
Benefit).

*But*, other non-dependent residents might reduce the amount allowed.
(My young adult, working, son living here means a couple of quid or so a
week is knocked off my CTB - the amount depends on his income/earnings
at the time). So if she lives with (house/flat share, not co-habit) some
other adult that might have a bearing on things.

How much is the full CT for the (council's) financial year, and how much
of that time has she received IS? Was she in arrears at all?

Has she actually applied for the benefit by filling in a form and
sending/handing the form in at the council tax office, or is this
something worked out or guessed on the fly by the housing manager in
conversation? What have the council tax office told her?

What about Housing Benefit, presuming she rents? She should be eligible
for that too, but again the benefit may not cover the full amount of the
rent payable for a variety of reasons.

I understand that forms are filled in for these normally along with or
as part of the Income Support claim, and then normally sent by the IS
people to the CTB/HB claim office.
 
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Cuddly

Pat said:
IS (whatever amount) is an automatic entitlement to CTB (Council Tax
Benefit).
Thought so ta Pat.
*But*, other non-dependent residents might reduce the amount allowed.
(My young adult, working, son living here means a couple of quid or
so a week is knocked off my CTB - the amount depends on his
income/earnings at the time). So if she lives with (house/flat share,
not co-habit) some other adult that might have a bearing on things.
No one lives with her cept her partner,so it isn't that
How much is the full CT for the (council's) financial year, and how
much of that time has she received IS? Was she in arrears at all?
No arrears,she got the bill of c.t office as well it says 2003-2004 £133 to
pay year amount was £653,which doesn't add up to what the housing manager
told her.she has been unemployed all of last year so she should have got
full benefit,yes?
Has she actually applied for the benefit by filling in a form and
sending/handing the form in at the council tax office, or is this
something worked out or guessed on the fly by the housing manager in
conversation? What have the council tax office told her?
She filled the forms in when her partner moved in with her.
What about Housing Benefit, presuming she rents? She should be
eligible for that too, but again the benefit may not cover the full
amount of the rent payable for a variety of reasons.
Rents via the council and that was zero to pay.
I understand that forms are filled in for these normally along with or
as part of the Income Support claim, and then normally sent by the IS
people to the CTB/HB claim office.
Yeah they were.thanx Pat.
 
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Pat Winstanley

No arrears,she got the bill of c.t office as well it says 2003-2004 £133 to
pay year amount was £653,which doesn't add up to what the housing manager
told her.she has been unemployed all of last year so she should have got
full benefit,yes?

She filled the forms in when her partner moved in with her.
I think there may be several factors here.

1. Was she unemployed (on JSA - and if so whether contributory or income
based) and/or sick (on IB) since April 2003?

2. When did the partner move in and IS claim (officially) go in? There
may be a difference between the dates.

3. Before her partner moved in, if she was alone in the place, she would
have been entitled to a single occupant discount (25%???).

4. Do either of them have savings?

5. Does her partner have any benefits in his own right that he claims?


Just a few things to think about.

Pat
 
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anthonyberet

Cuddly said:
If someone gets incapacity benefit topped up with income support do they
still have to pay council tax?
Housing manager has told Louise (my daughter) that she is only allowed £605
towards council tax and she has to pay the difference, thought if you were
unemployed you paid zilch on council tax?
In addition to what Pat has been saying, Council-Tax Benefit is currently
limited to the amount for a band "E" property.
-This applies even if on IS for the whole financial year. Thankfully this
limitation will end on 1/4/04
Can you post what the full amount (without benefit *or* discount) of the
Council-Tax for the Year is? (or post which council it is and I will look it
up).-and the property-band?

If her property is band "F" or above she might consider claiming
Discretionary Housing Payment to cover the shortfall.

When you say she was unemployed all year, do you mean she was on JSA
(income-based), JSA (contribution-based), or maybe she was getting
Incapacity Benefit but without the IS for some reason for a part of the
year?
 
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anthonyberet

anthonyberet said:
In addition to what Pat has been saying, Council-Tax Benefit is currently
limited to the amount for a band "E" property.
-This applies even if on IS for the whole financial year. Thankfully this
limitation will end on 1/4/04
Can you post what the full amount (without benefit *or* discount) of the
Council-Tax for the Year is? (or post which council it is and I will look it
up).-and the property-band?

If her property is band "F" or above she might consider claiming
Discretionary Housing Payment to cover the shortfall.

When you say she was unemployed all year, do you mean she was on JSA
(income-based), JSA (contribution-based), or maybe she was getting
Incapacity Benefit but without the IS for some reason for a part of the
year?
Oh, the other thing to check is did she actually have a claim for CTB for
the whole year?
-Even with IS all year the CTB needs to be claimed too.
If she has a gap she might apply for backdated benefit, or establish that
she claimed CTB at the DWP/Jobcentre.
*Never* rely on the DWP or Jobcentre to pass info on the the council.
 
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Cuddly

Pat said:
I think there may be several factors here.

1. Was she unemployed (on JSA - and if so whether contributory or
income based) and/or sick (on IB) since April 2003?
She was on jsa for part of the year not sure which one though.
2. When did the partner move in and IS claim (officially) go in? There
may be a difference between the dates.
She isn't sure of this Pat,Now you have pointed these points out im
wondering if it is from when her own claim was stopped for them to joint
claim that she has been charged.
3. Before her partner moved in, if she was alone in the place, she
would have been entitled to a single occupant discount (25%???).
She will have been,When she was on JSA would she have still got zero to pay?
4. Do either of them have savings?
No

5. Does her partner have any benefits in his own right that he claims?
He is the main claiment he gets the Icapacity benefit then they are topped
up with I.S.He was already getting I.B before they joint claimed.
 
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Cuddly

anthonyberet said:
In addition to what Pat has been saying, Council-Tax Benefit is
currently limited to the amount for a band "E" property.
-This applies even if on IS for the whole financial year. Thankfully
this limitation will end on 1/4/04
Can you post what the full amount (without benefit *or* discount) of
the Council-Tax for the Year is? (or post which council it is and I
will look it up).-and the property-band?
Leeds City Council band A £653.
If her property is band "F" or above she might consider claiming
Discretionary Housing Payment to cover the shortfall.

When you say she was unemployed all year, do you mean she was on JSA
(income-based), JSA (contribution-based), or maybe she was getting
Incapacity Benefit but without the IS for some reason for a part of
the year?
She was on JSA,not sure which one though.
 
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Cuddly

anthonyberet said:
Oh, the other thing to check is did she actually have a claim for CTB
for the whole year?
-Even with IS all year the CTB needs to be claimed too.
If she has a gap she might apply for backdated benefit, or establish
that she claimed CTB at the DWP/Jobcentre.
*Never* rely on the DWP or Jobcentre to pass info on the the council.
I think i have spotted the error.She claimed JSA then went on to I.S then
partner moved in so she stopped her claim and put in a joint claim i bet it
is from then.
 

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