dwp adverts on tv getting ur benafit

[ambientboy]

hi all i was wondering who else have seen they adverts on tv on getting
your benafit paid in to ur bank or post office account i think these adverts
portry pepole on benafit as stupid theres they one advert were the girl does
her friends hair it all goes wrong ....then there is they other advert were
this guy is trying to paint a room in yellow it goes wrong ....its not so
much they adverts but what message they put over to they genreal public i
think this adverts are very miss leading and try and make out that thoese on
benafits are stupid in someway ... i would be intersted in wot others have
to say about these adverts from dwp ..before i take it futher and write to
they tv companys who run these adverts .... yours ...... ambientboy

 

[Lackey]

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: hi all i was wondering who else have seen they adverts on tv on
getting
: your benafit paid in to ur bank or post office account i think these
adverts
: portry pepole on benafit as stupid theres they one advert were the girl
does
: her friends hair it all goes wrong ....then there is they other advert
were
: this guy is trying to paint a room in yellow it goes wrong ....its not so
: much they adverts but what message they put over to they genreal public i
: think this adverts are very miss leading and try and make out that thoese
on
: benafits are stupid in someway ... i would be intersted in wot others have
: to say about these adverts from dwp ..before i take it futher and write to
: they tv companys who run these adverts .... yours ...... ambientboy
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I cant watch TV because I dont have a licence but i know what you are
talking about, theres also one that shows a bloke mowing a lawn, we are
meant to be so stupid that an entire film crew could follow us around and we
wouldnt even notice, the govt are bringing out ID cards prevent this type of
benefit fraud.

The DWP are saying we are all working but if you go to the JC and say ive
got a job, I do me mates hair once every 2 or 3 months, will they accept
that as a low paid job and assess you accordingly, will they hell, they will
tell you thats not a proper job, I wish they would make their minds up.

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[Zoe Brown]

hi all i was wondering who else have seen they adverts on tv on getting
your benafit paid in to ur bank or post office account i think these adverts
portry pepole on benafit as stupid theres they one advert were the girl does
her friends hair it all goes wrong ....then there is they other advert were
this guy is trying to paint a room in yellow it goes wrong ....its not so
much they adverts but what message they put over to they genreal public i
think this adverts are very miss leading and try and make out that thoese on
benafits are stupid in someway ... i would be intersted in wot others have
to say about these adverts from dwp ..before i take it futher and write to
they tv companys who run these adverts .... yours ...... ambientboy

I am not sure you would be able to write to the TV Company. Not being
funny but your post is almost illegible !!

The advert is misleading though as we all know that those on benefits are
just sat on their arse watching telly !!!

 

[Zoe Brown]

I cant watch TV because I dont have a licence but i know what you are

talking about,

I suggest that you do not know what he is talking about.

theres also one that shows a bloke mowing a lawn, we are
meant to be so stupid that an entire film crew could follow us around and we
wouldnt even notice,

this is called acting !!

the govt are bringing out ID cards prevent this type of
benefit fraud.

really - tell me more ? What fraud are you talking abut, this advert is not
about fraud.

The DWP are saying we are all working but if you go to the JC and say ive
got a job, I do me mates hair once every 2 or 3 months, will they accept
that as a low paid job and assess you accordingly

If you make enough not to need to sponge of the state.

, will they hell, they will
tell you thats not a proper job, I wish they would make their minds up.

What are you talking about ????

 

[ziggy-wiggy]

The advert is misleading though as we all know that those on benefits are

just sat on their arse watching telly !!!

LOL!

nice one!

that's why daytime adverts are all for personal injury specialists because
all these spongers are sitting around watching the box and looking for
another way to get more money without having to work for it.

What do they do?

Trip over something in the street and sue somebody for compensation.

 

[Robbie]

From: "Zoe Brown" (e-mail address removed)

Date: 27/04/04 12:07 GMT Daylight Time


I am not sure you would be able to write to the TV Company. Not being
funny but your post is almost illegible !!

The advert is misleading though as we all know that those on benefits are
just sat on their arse watching telly !!!

Now that's not true!

Actually well over 80% of people of working age who receive benefits actually
DO work!

The adverts are crap though, they make out that people who receive benefits are
stupid. Or at least that's how it comes across to me!

Robbie

 

[Zoe Brown]

The adverts are crap though, they make out that people who receive
benefits are

stupid. Or at least that's how it comes across to me!

one can only assume that they were targeting the adverts at the stupid
benefit people who still walk to the post office once a week and apposed to
the not so stupid who use bank accounts !

 

[ziggy-wiggy]

one can only assume that they were targeting the adverts at the stupid

benefit people who still walk to the post office once a week and apposed to
the not so stupid who use bank accounts !

I was in the post office the other week delivering some parcels and the
counter staff were really rude to the pensioners who were coming in, asking
about the payment of benefits to their bank accounts. I realize that the
post office are probably going to lose a lot of revenue because of this but
that does not give the PO staff the right to be rude.

I hate PO counter staff!!!

 

[Mike]

I was in the post office the other week delivering some parcels and the
counter staff were really rude to the pensioners who were coming in, asking
about the payment of benefits to their bank accounts. I realize that the
post office are probably going to lose a lot of revenue because of this but
that does not give the PO staff the right to be rude.

I hate PO counter staff!!!

Try going to a restaurant and telling them you intend to take you custom
away (leaving them to the tender mercy of the dole) and ask for advice about
were best to go and what to eat there. I'm sure they'll tell you very
poliitely to go away.

Now imagine your the 50th person this week to ask these questions, and this
pattern has been repeated for the last year. Perhaps then their request for
you to go away would be less than polite.

The conversion to Direct Payment goes swimmingly, I'm coming across a
hardcore of pengies who will not switch to DPs despite my ever so polite
persuasions. I'm dying to hear what strategy the DWP has for the final
thrust. As all i've heard is rumours with nothing in writing, I think the
either there is no strategy yet or it's so punative it won't be announced
until nearer the time (april/may 05).

The exceptions service for those who cannot open (or won't?) an account
seems to be a cheque (as opposed to a girocheque), not sure where this
cheque will be cashable. No idea yet if this is going to be issued
automatically every week/fortnight/four weeks or if it will have to be
generated individualy (i.e someone has to tell the computer to issue the
payment), collected by the customer or if they will have to be clericaly
prepared.
The lack of even basic info.at this late hour is worrying, it's starting to
smell like a balls up in the making.

Mike

 

[martin]

LOL!

nice one!

that's why daytime adverts are all for personal injury specialists because
all these spongers are sitting around watching the box and looking for
another way to get more money without having to work for it.

What do they do?

Trip over something in the street and sue somebody for compensation.

I think you read too many tabloid newsapers.

 

[Robbie]

From: "Mike" [email protected]

Date: 27/04/04 19:39 GMT Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email protected]>




Try going to a restaurant and telling them you intend to take you custom
away (leaving them to the tender mercy of the dole) and ask for advice about
were best to go and what to eat there. I'm sure they'll tell you very
poliitely to go away.

Now imagine your the 50th person this week to ask these questions, and this
pattern has been repeated for the last year. Perhaps then their request for
you to go away would be less than polite.

The conversion to Direct Payment goes swimmingly, I'm coming across a
hardcore of pengies who will not switch to DPs despite my ever so polite
persuasions. I'm dying to hear what strategy the DWP has for the final
thrust. As all i've heard is rumours with nothing in writing, I think the
either there is no strategy yet or it's so punative it won't be announced
until nearer the time (april/may 05).

The exceptions service for those who cannot open (or won't?) an account
seems to be a cheque (as opposed to a girocheque), not sure where this
cheque will be cashable. No idea yet if this is going to be issued
automatically every week/fortnight/four weeks or if it will have to be
generated individualy (i.e someone has to tell the computer to issue the
payment), collected by the customer or if they will have to be clericaly
prepared.
The lack of even basic info.at this late hour is worrying, it's starting to
smell like a balls up in the making.

Mike

The DWP could always do what the Inland Revenue have done - for tax credits, if
you refuse to have payments into a bank account you get payments for a certain
period then you get no more.

But there are people who will always have to get their benefits paid in cash
(as in the people who claim at Emergency Offices in London and Glasgow), so
perhaps the DWP will keep the option of giro / cash payments open as a last
resort.

Reading at a welfare rights forum, it sounds like the DWP don't really know
what to do with people who insist on not being paid via Direct Payments.

Robbie

 

[Mike]

The DWP could always do what the Inland Revenue have done - for tax credits, if
you refuse to have payments into a bank account you get payments for a certain
period then you get no more.

But there are people who will always have to get their benefits paid in cash
(as in the people who claim at Emergency Offices in London and Glasgow), so
perhaps the DWP will keep the option of giro / cash payments open as a last
resort.

Reading at a welfare rights forum, it sounds like the DWP don't really know
what to do with people who insist on not being paid via Direct Payments.

Robbie

They've done it with tax credits so they can do it with DWP benefits, it's a
question of political will. A few weeks payt to give you time to open an
account and then supension of the claim. There will of course be the down
and outs who are simply incapable of opening accs. and retaining their
bankcards. Every decent sized office has a couple of dozen of them and they
stagger in every week for their giro and stagger away to get pissed again.
There's no way on earth they would be able to look after a card, after all
we don't trust them with orderbooks!!

To be honest it'll be the only way to force some people to go along with DPs
otherwise the exceptions service won't be the exception!. After all if I
can't persuade them with my silver tounged charms then blunt force is all
thats left.

The last set of figures I saw for the conversion mailshots was almost 70%
responding with about 4% refusing to switch, many of the non respondents are
contacting the local offices direct to arrange DPs. The rest will fall
reluctantly into line but 4% is still a lot to be paying weekly/fourtnightly
by cheque, add onto that clerical fault cases, and the clerical payments (IS
computer system sucks) and thats a lot of cheques.

I hope someone remembers to order them, a couple of months ago there was a
national shortage of clerical orderbooks because some twit underestimated
the volumes and it took weeks to get supplies. Sending people out with cash
to pensioners because we've run out of cheques would be embarrassing.

Mike

 

[Donald McCaskey]

Reading at a welfare rights forum, it sounds like the DWP don't really know
what to do with people who insist on not being paid via Direct Payments.

Robbie

The DWP is waiting for a lead from ministers (so don't hold your breath) as
to how to deal with these people.

As Mike has already stated, there will still be a facility to use a cheque
as an IOP. Some of the rumours say this cheque will be crossed / account
payee only but that would leave many who genuinely don't have some sort of
bank account without a way of getting any money. A court decision many
years ago regarding a lost IOP stated that the Secretary of State's
obligation to benefit recipients didn't end until they actually had, or had
immediate access to, cold hard cash in their hands. This could lead to
offices having to carry far more than just petty cash.

Jobcentre Plus offices, though, are going to bring extreme pressure to bear
on jobseekers in terms of direct paymetns. They have a target of 9 out of
10 new jobseeker's to be paid by direct payments. There is even talk of
tying the whole direct payments issue into jobseeker's agreements, etc. on
the basis of how can a jobseeker be job-ready if he doesn't have a bank
account through which a potential employer could pay wages.

Don

 

[Mike]

Reading at a welfare rights forum, it sounds like the DWP don't really

know

The DWP is waiting for a lead from ministers (so don't hold your breath) as
to how to deal with these people.

As Mike has already stated, there will still be a facility to use a cheque
as an IOP. Some of the rumours say this cheque will be crossed / account
payee only but that would leave many who genuinely don't have some sort of
bank account without a way of getting any money.

As it's intended to tide people over until they can open an account it would
be particularly cruel to cross the cheque!!!!!

I would draw a parallel to an employee, employers who pay by BACs simply put
it in the contract of employment and that's it. Some might payby cheque or
exceptionaly cash advances to overcome short term difficulties but thats at
their discretion rather than a right.

I can't help but feel that the Gov is going to fudge the issue or cock up
the legislation leaving it open to legal challenges, or more likely both!!

Mike

 

[Big Bill]

As it's intended to tide people over until they can open an account it would
be particularly cruel to cross the cheque!!!!!

I would draw a parallel to an employee, employers who pay by BACs simply put
it in the contract of employment and that's it. Some might payby cheque or
exceptionaly cash advances to overcome short term difficulties but thats at
their discretion rather than a right.

What if the banks don't wish to give any specific individual an
account? Is the govt. ging to make them? Some pissed idiot,
half-dressed and stinking the place up, wanders in to a bank and slurs
that they want an account opening? And the govt. are going to insist
the banks deal with these people, are they?

BB

 

[John Scovell]

LOL!

nice one!

that's why daytime adverts are all for personal injury specialists because
all these spongers are sitting around watching the box and looking for
another way to get more money without having to work for it.

What do they do?

Trip over something in the street and sue somebody for compensation.

If sue some for personal injury you would have to show that they
A) owed you a duty of care
B) There was a breach of that duty of care
C) The breach lead you to suffer a harm in someway
D) The harm you suffered was reasonbably foreseeable

 

[ziggy-wiggy]

If sue some for personal injury you would have to show that they

A) owed you a duty of care
B) There was a breach of that duty of care
C) The breach lead you to suffer a harm in someway
D) The harm you suffered was reasonbably foreseeable

and....?

 

[John Scovell]

account? Is the govt. ging to make them? Some pissed idiot,
half-dressed and stinking the place up, wanders in to a bank and slurs
that they want an account opening? And the govt. are going to insist
the banks deal with these people, are they?

It not nice to talk about jobcentre staff like that!

 

[John Scovell]

and....?

.... its not as easy as you may think to sue someone.

 

[Mike]

What if the banks don't wish to give any specific individual an
account? Is the govt. ging to make them? Some pissed idiot,
half-dressed and stinking the place up, wanders in to a bank and slurs
that they want an account opening? And the govt. are going to insist
the banks deal with these people, are they?

BB

Post Office card accounts. They are obviously used to dealing with such
people when cashing giros and I'm sure relish every minute!! The
'exceptions service' will be available for people who are in the process of
opening an acc and presumably those who simply can't be relied upon to
operate one such as the smelly drunk itenerant.

Mike