Flat service charge


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Hiram

I pay a service charge for my private flat.

I used to be able to claim for this?

The charge includes, hall lighting, hall cleaning, garden maintenance
and roof maintenance. And building insurance.

Can I still claim for this?

Cheers..
 
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Robbie

Hiram said:
I pay a service charge for my private flat.

I used to be able to claim for this?

The charge includes, hall lighting, hall cleaning, garden maintenance
and roof maintenance. And building insurance.

Can I still claim for this?

Cheers..
I think you can (not 100% sure though) but I don't know if it is a
payment made with Housing Benefit or Income Support / Jobseekers
Allowance (Income Based).

Basically you can get help with any charge that is essential for you to
occupy your property, including service charges. The only things you
don't get help with are items such as water charges and sewerage
charges, as far as I am aware.
 
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mart2306

I think you can (not 100% sure though) but I don't know if it is a
payment made with Housing Benefit or Income Support / Jobseekers
Allowance (Income Based).

Basically you can get help with any charge that is essential for you to
occupy your property, including service charges. The only things you
don't get help with are items such as water charges and sewerage
charges, as far as I am aware.
Funny really, try occupying a place without water or
sewerage..... :)

Martin <><
 
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Robbie

Funny really, try occupying a place without water or
sewerage..... :)

Martin <><
Indeed! These are items that the HB scheme won't cover (assuming they
are listed separately - if they are just included in with the rent and
not itemised then they will be covered). They were removed from the HB
scheme when Income Support was introduced / HB was reformed in 1988.
 
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Hiram

Robbie said:
Basically you can get help with any charge that is essential for you to
occupy your property, including service charges. The only things you
don't get help with are items such as water charges and sewerage
charges, as far as I am aware.
Cheers Robbie,

I had a feeling I could make a claim for my maintenance changes... I
don't have a choice to pay it, its part of my leasehold.

I think you're right about water - seems odd doesn't it, but it probably
an historic anomaly.
 
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Niteawk

Hiram said:
Cheers Robbie,

I had a feeling I could make a claim for my maintenance changes... I
don't have a choice to pay it, its part of my leasehold.

I think you're right about water - seems odd doesn't it, but it probably
an historic anomaly.
They will pay you extra for beer if you are an alcoholic. ;)
 
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mart2306

They will pay you extra for beer if you are an alcoholic. ;)- Hide quotedtext -

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Can I claim I'm an alcoholic who doesn't like beer? And therefore get
a shot or two of Glenfiddich whiskey?

Martin <><
 
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Niteawk

They will pay you extra for beer if you are an alcoholic. ;)- Hide quoted
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Can I claim I'm an alcoholic who doesn't like beer? And therefore get
a shot or two of Glenfiddich whiskey?

Martin <><

Of course you can, the JC are going to introduce rum rations for claimants.
Each time you do a job search or apply for a job, you will get a tot of rum.

Thus providing a service that should prove popular, which is in keeping with
their service standards they they always forget to maintain.
 
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mart2306

Can I claim I'm an alcoholic who doesn't like beer? And therefore get
a shot or two of Glenfiddich whiskey?

Martin  <><

Of course you can, the JC are going to introduce rum rations for claimants.
Each time you do a job search or apply for a job, you will get a tot of rum.

Thus providing a service that should prove popular, which is in keeping with
their service standards they they always forget to maintain.- Hide quotedtext -

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Hmmm...thats one way of getting people in.....

Martin <><
 
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Niteawk

Can I claim I'm an alcoholic who doesn't like beer? And therefore get
a shot or two of Glenfiddich whiskey?

Martin <><

Of course you can, the JC are going to introduce rum rations for
claimants.
Each time you do a job search or apply for a job, you will get a tot of
rum.

Thus providing a service that should prove popular, which is in keeping
with
their service standards they they always forget to maintain.- Hide quoted
text -

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Hmmm...thats one way of getting people in.....

Martin <><

Here's another, let people choose their own jobs to apply for.
 
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mart2306

Hmmm...thats one way of getting people in.....

Martin  <><

Here's another, let people choose their own jobs to apply for.- Hide quoted text -

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Now thats a tad riskier.

I've seen 8 jobs in my field that I can go for in the past year. 3 of
them through a recruitment specialist who wouldn't say where in the
area they were, so couldn't apply.
Leaving just 5.

Now if I was under the jobcentre, how would they see applying for 5
jobs in a year? Just 5 jobs in my profession that are both within my
capabilities and within my limited travelling distance (bus and
train).

Quite a few more jobs than that available, but I'm 3 or 4 years short
of my degree at the moment (for those that insist on a degree in a
different field as well as experience in my field) and cannot drive at
all.
Or requiring skillset I do have mixed with a skillset I don't have.

Martin <><
 
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Niteawk

Hmmm...thats one way of getting people in.....

Martin <><

Here's another, let people choose their own jobs to apply for.- Hide
quoted text -

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Now thats a tad riskier.

I've seen 8 jobs in my field that I can go for in the past year. 3 of
them through a recruitment specialist who wouldn't say where in the
area they were, so couldn't apply.
Leaving just 5.

Now if I was under the jobcentre, how would they see applying for 5
jobs in a year? Just 5 jobs in my profession that are both within my
capabilities and within my limited travelling distance (bus and
train).

Quite a few more jobs than that available, but I'm 3 or 4 years short
of my degree at the moment (for those that insist on a degree in a
different field as well as experience in my field) and cannot drive at
all.
Or requiring skillset I do have mixed with a skillset I don't have.

Martin <><

As well as applying for jobs you are qualified for, I assume you look for
other jobs that you would be equally happy with. When you are not following
JC directives that is.

I cant see the point in forcing people to apply for jobs that they do not
like or want. That is not helping employers or the unemployed. If I was
running a company, the last thing I want is people applying to work for me
under threat of sanction. Actually I would not use the JC if I needed staff,
thats how bad I think their system is. It is not going to help a company to
have staff that are not happy working for them. If anything it can
potentially ruin a companies reputation and could cost them financially in
damage to goods and equipment.

No situation I can think of is ever going to make someone happy to serve
working for an employer in a job they do not like or want. I cant imagine
any employee lasting for more than a week under such circumstances. More to
the point, I cant imagine an employer keeping employees like this for more
than 5 minutes if thay had any sense.

The other problem with this is, as you are ordered to apply for jobs you
would rather not do, this takes up time that you would have spent looking
for jobs that you want and may have found were you not tied up following JC
instructions as per the JSAg.
 
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anthonyberet

Hiram said:
I pay a service charge for my private flat.

I used to be able to claim for this?

The charge includes, hall lighting, hall cleaning, garden maintenance
and roof maintenance. And building insurance.

Can I still claim for this?

Cheers..
You don't say whether you are renting the flat privately, or are an
owner-occupier.

As far as HB (including Local Housing Allowance) is concerned, if
renting, yes, they would fall under "payments of, or by way of, service
charges payment of which is a condition on which the right to occupy the
dwelling depends;" hb reg 12(1)(e)

If you are an owner-occupier, then no, as you would not lose the right
to occupy for not paying them, you would just be pursued for the debt.

anthonyberet
 
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Hiram

anthonyberet said:
If you are an owner-occupier, then no, as you would not lose the right
to occupy for not paying them, you would just be pursued for the debt.
I am an owner occupier.

If I didn't pay I'd be in breach of my lease. I don't know the outcome
of such a breach - maybe I could be evicted. I think it would depends
on the leasehold agreement. I think you need to bear in mind that many
flats pay ground rent, so, although I own the lease, I do have a landlord.
 
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Robbie

Hiram said:
I am an owner occupier.

If I didn't pay I'd be in breach of my lease. I don't know the outcome
of such a breach - maybe I could be evicted. I think it would depends
on the leasehold agreement. I think you need to bear in mind that many
flats pay ground rent, so, although I own the lease, I do have a landlord.
If you are an owner occupier then that should be when Income Support /
Job Seekers Allowance (Income Based) should help.

see the following link:

http://www.reading.gov.uk/housing/leaseholders/General.asp?id=SX9452-A7803304
 
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anthonyberet

Hiram said:
I am an owner occupier.

If I didn't pay I'd be in breach of my lease. I don't know the outcome
of such a breach - maybe I could be evicted. I think it would depends
on the leasehold agreement. I think you need to bear in mind that many
flats pay ground rent, so, although I own the lease, I do have a landlord.
That's an interesting argument. The HB scheme doesn't generally help
owner occupiers (though Council Tax benefit can of course).
There is of course, no harm in claiming and explaining your point of
view, and seeing what happens. I would expect that the HB dept would be
puzzled by the request. I wouldn't completely rule out that they might
pay you.
If you can bear to check this group during the week, I will post back
with a more authoritative comment. There might be a published
Commisioners Decision (high-level ruling) on this issue.
 
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anthonyberet

Hiram said:
I am an owner occupier.

If I didn't pay I'd be in breach of my lease. I don't know the
outcome of such a breach - maybe I could be evicted. I think it
would depends on the leasehold agreement. I think you need to bear
in mind that many flats pay ground rent, so, although I own the
lease, I do have a landlord.
Ah there is another reg that prevents your entitlement.
I should really have thought of this one before. Reg 12(2)(c)

12. Rent
(2) A rent rebate or, as the case may be, a rent allowance shall not be
payable in respect of the following periodical payments—
(a) payments under a long tenancy except a shared ownership
tenancy; SI 2007/1356
(b) payments under a co-ownership scheme;
(c) payments by an owner;
(d) payments under a hire purchase, credit sale or conditional sale
agreement except to the extent the conditional sale agreement is in
respect of land; and
(e) payments by a Crown tenant.
(f) payments by a person in respect of a dwelling where his partner
is an owner of that dwelling.
 
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Hiram

anthonyberet said:
Ah there is another reg that prevents your entitlement.
I should really have thought of this one before. Reg 12(2)(c)

12. Rent
(2) A rent rebate or, as the case may be, a rent allowance shall not be
payable in respect of the following periodical payments—
(a) payments under a long tenancy except a shared ownership
tenancy; SI 2007/1356
(b) payments under a co-ownership scheme;
(c) payments by an owner;
(d) payments under a hire purchase, credit sale or
conditional sale
agreement except to the extent the conditional sale agreement is in
respect of land; and
(e) payments by a Crown tenant.
(f) payments by a person in respect of a dwelling where his
partner
is an owner of that dwelling.
These are applicable to rent - this is not rent, its a service charge.
It's not levied by the ground owner, but it is a condition of their
lease that I pay it. Incidentally, I do pay ground rent, this is a
separate payment.

I have this recollection that there is a part in the JSA claim form that
covers this(service charges).
 
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Robbie

Hiram said:
These are applicable to rent - this is not rent, its a service charge.
It's not levied by the ground owner, but it is a condition of their
lease that I pay it. Incidentally, I do pay ground rent, this is a
separate payment.

I have this recollection that there is a part in the JSA claim form that
covers this(service charges).
as I explained for owner occupiers it is the Income Support and
Jobseekers Allowance schemes that are applicable for owner occupiers for
items such as service charges, not the Housing Benefit scheme. That's
why the question is on the IS and JSA forms!
 
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Hiram

Robbie said:
as I explained for owner occupiers it is the Income Support and
Cheers Robbie...

I posted the letter today, we'll see what happens.
 

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