Full disclosure of unemployment benefit.


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Broomcupboard

This may be OT but here goes. Just got employed on a good graduate
training scheme at a decent well-known company. In the mass of
documents to fill in before the job starts there is one called "Sick Pay
Declaration Form" and asks if I have been on benefits and if so what.
Since I have been on the dole, this applies; yet I would prefer not to
let them know since it doesn't exactly look good.

My question is: what does being on benefits have to do with sick pay?
IOW, why do they want to know?

Also, when I come off the benefits, will the benefit office give me a
P45 and if so what will it say? If it says I have been on ebenfits, is
there a way round this?

I realise it's not exactly shameful these days, but I would rather that
my new employers did not know about this.
 
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Tom

Broomcupboard wrote...
Also, when I come off the benefits, will the benefit office give me a
P45 and if so what will it say? If it says I have been on ebenfits, is
there a way round this?

I realise it's not exactly shameful these days, but I would rather that
my new employers did not know about this.

Have a look at the P45 parts 2+3 (copy for new employer)
http://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/pdfs/emp2002/p45.pdf


Going to a new job
Give this form (Parts 2 and 3) to your new
employer, or you will have tax deducted using
the emergency code and may pay too much tax.
If you do not want your new employer to know
the details on this form, send it to your Inland
Revenue office immediately with a letter saying so
and giving the name and address of your new
employer. The Inland Revenue office can make
special arrangements, but you may pay too much
tax for a while as a result.
 
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Tom

Richard Buttrey wrote...
I thought P45s were given on termination of employment, not
termination of benefits. I may of course be wrong.
Being on the dole is classed as employment for these purposes.
 
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Martin Davies

Tom said:
Broomcupboard wrote...



Have a look at the P45 parts 2+3 (copy for new employer)
http://www.inlandrevenue.gov.uk/pdfs/emp2002/p45.pdf


Going to a new job
Give this form (Parts 2 and 3) to your new
employer, or you will have tax deducted using
the emergency code and may pay too much tax.
If you do not want your new employer to know
the details on this form, send it to your Inland
Revenue office immediately with a letter saying so
and giving the name and address of your new
employer. The Inland Revenue office can make
special arrangements, but you may pay too much
tax for a while as a result.
You will usually get overpaid tax back, but can take a couple of months.

Martin <><
 
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Jonathan Bryce

Broomcupboard said:
Also, when I come off the benefits, will the benefit office give me a
P45 and if so what will it say? If it says I have been on ebenfits, is
there a way round this?
It will have the benefits agency tax office, and say it is details of
benefits rather than details of pay.

You could send the P45 to the tax office and ask them to issue a tax code.
It will mean you pay too much tax while they sort it out.
 
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Jeremy Barker

Broomcupboard said:
This may be OT but here goes. Just got employed on a good graduate
training scheme at a decent well-known company. In the mass of
documents to fill in before the job starts there is one called "Sick Pay
Declaration Form" and asks if I have been on benefits and if so what.
Since I have been on the dole, this applies; yet I would prefer not to
let them know since it doesn't exactly look good.
Why not? Even the best of us can have the misfortune to suffer periods
of unemployment. I could be signing on soon because my employer is
closing down and I can't make another job appear just like that.
My question is: what does being on benefits have to do with sick pay?
IOW, why do they want to know?
Why do you have a problem with this? They may need to know if you have
received incapacity benefit because it might have a bearing on your
entitlement to Statutory Sick Pay. On the other hand there's no need
for them to know until such time as you take time off sick. I have
never encountered a form such as the one you describe.
Also, when I come off the benefits, will the benefit office give me a
P45 and if so what will it say? If it says I have been on ebenfits, is
there a way round this?
The Jobcentre issues a P45U when you cease receiving benefit.

You can always tell your employer you have no P45 (lots of reasons
could give rise to this) and ask them for a P46 which you complete.
I realise it's not exactly shameful these days, but I would rather that
my new employers did not know about this.
It is commonplace. As long as you have not lied on an application form
about what you have been doing there is no conceivable reason wny it
may be a problem. If you did you stand to be found out whatever you do
and that could result in dismissal for gross misconduct which really
will cause you problems. Some short-sighted employers may not offer a
job to somone who has been long-term unemployed but you have the job so
what's the problem.

jb
 
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Jeremy Barker

I thought P45s were given on termination of employment, not
termination of benefits. I may of course be wrong.
Jobcentres have issued a P45U to anyone who has claimed taxable
benefits (principally Jobseeker's Allowance) ever since they became
taxable in the 1980s. The information it contains is practically the
same as on a normal P45. The main differences are the labels on the
boxes - for example, date of leaving becomes date claim ceased or
something like that.

jb
 

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