Hello to the group... and HELP!


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Stephen

This is uk.business.accountancy
Come back when you have something like a tax question.

Keep in touch with yourself,
Dave
I am replying to a question...
I also take an interest in general business and general accountancy.
 
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Dave

I am replying to a question...
I also take an interest in general business and general accountancy.
I'm surprised your fingers haven't worn out with all the crap you are
typing here
 
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Alan Terry

Stephen <indiantravelcom said:
It is a brand knew business..
That's not what you claimed before.

You are consistently writing long answers that avoid my very simple
questions, Stephen.
 
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Alan Terry

Stephen,

Can you answer any of my question? Like:


Your business model is fascinating ...
for the simple "brochure type" websites......my website
designer who is based in the UK, who has been designing websites for three
years.....is going to be my main supplier....
The price that people are charging for developing simple websites can easily
be above £20 per hour......easily...............
So for example a website that my client can order from me...
can have a price tag of easily..about.....
£400
My normal charges will still be under £100...
So your UK web designer is going to do work for you at £5 an hour and
you are not going to take any margin?

And half that income for your special offer on the first 10 or 20 site -
that comes out at 1 to 2 months solid work at £2.50 an hour - very
interesting!!!

Can you wonder why I have been asking about what the client actually
gets for that and noticing that you cannot put forward any examples.

No need to write us a novel in your reply this time Stephen - just
straightforward answers or nothing, please.
 
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Stephen

Alan Terry said:
Stephen,

Can you answer any of my question? Like:



Your business model is fascinating ...


So your UK web designer is going to do work for you at £5 an hour and
you are not going to take any margin?
You see it really is an investment.....I agree I will not make any profit at
all on the first ten to twenty, but the quality of the work.....and the
exceptionally value for money will take the place of advertising.

For example.....from one happy client I will get ten referals..thats how it
works..Word of Mouth is the absolute strongest way to get business.

So it is like this..

OK so I even loose money on the first ten to twenty, but, it is an
investment and cheaper than advertising, because each client is a business
person, with hundreds of business contacts, they all have their own clients,
many of whom are businesses.......the work I do for them, then becomes my
show piece....my selling point..in a way they become our "shop window"

It is the fastest way to gain new clients and new business...

It has worked like this in other businesses I have got....one customer who
is really satisfied and feels they have got a great deal..they in turn tell
quite a few people..

This then cuts out the cost of advertising, it cuts out the cost of
marketing etc.etc....

So the small investment needed in the websites....these are done virtually
at cost......for the first clients...but this gives me.

1/ Shop Window..

2/ Word of Mouth Satisfied Clients.

They know they are getting a special introductory offer, then the price will
more than double...maybe £195......or in that region.......perhaps less,
depending upon how much time it is taking..

Yes absolutely....regarding templates...we actually can design anything, but
we will definitely use templates......

It is quicker with templates....but we have thousands to choose from and we
are making our own templates...our own designs.....I am excellent at
design.....although I am not a website designer...I can offer the client a
professionally designed website, taking in their brief..we can do
graphics...logos anything....

But the basic product initially launched is "brochure" websites..they can be
six pages or they can be sixty, no problems..

If I get orders for high tech, hi spec, then I will subcontract that out to
my indian contacts..who can do that....



But I am concentrating on small business owners who want high quality small
busines websites without having to pay large premiums........

I have seen websites that are charged at a thousand pounds and we can do a
better job for a fraction of that price............
And half that income for your special offer on the first 10 or 20 site -
that comes out at 1 to 2 months solid work at £2.50 an hour - very
interesting!!!

It is an investment...







How much do you charge per hour to make your websites?


I do not charge on an hourly basis at all...I charge per website.....thats
all...no hourly charge....£50 per website......thats it....if they don't
like it..they don't have to buy it....but I am so confident of my product
and my high value for money that I am prepared to do the work without any
payment in advance..

That says to the customer how confident I am!


I know that many other website makers will not be happy because I am
offering such good value..

How is your website business going? You are targeting a slightly different
market I think, are'nt you?

When you asked me to telemarket to try to sell your websites to businesses,
I think you mentioned something about.....targeting a specific sectin, I
think you said the Wedding Industry! That might be a good area to get
into..and businesses are quite willing to pay £400 pounds per website which
is what you said you are charging....and I think the market is very
strong.....and it is growing.

I also believe that there is big scope for people to "revamp" old
websites.....

Many poor quality websites where done in the early days of the
internet..everybody thought they should have one!

I have'nt even started officially this business and I'm getting alot of
interest...My basic business concept is to provide high quality at a lower
price..by outsourcing the work, to people who have got low overheads..

For example..my UK supplier, is living in a low cost part of the UK, and he
is able to work from home..and is keen on work...very keen to get this
business going in conjunction with me.

Like myself he is not married and not having children to support, mortgage
etc.etc. so yes he can afford to work for not so much money, like me, he is
willing also to invest time in building up a good customer base....

I am very serious about my internet business and wish to expand fast and the
best way to do that is through all our customers having high references...

In fact..if a customer is not 100% satisfied, I will not charge them for
the work....that is how much I believe in "WORD OF MOUTH" It is
everything.......it can make you expand so fast your feet wont' touch the
ground..

I have 100% customer satisfaction with my small telemarket business also.

In fact...do you know my rate of £7.50 is almost 25% of what the ONLY OTHER
TELEMARKETING COMPANY CHARGE in the entire region..that are advertised int
he yellow pages....

And all my work is comming from referrels...



Can you wonder why I have been asking about what the client actually
gets for that and noticing that you cannot put forward any examples.

Yah, I understand its perfectly normal to be "suspicious" or skeptical when
something is offered at such a low low price as £50 for a website........

But, let me be frank....I am not the only person who is offering high
quality low value..there are a few indian websites offering internet
solutions and htey are based in india....although they are not as cheap as
me..they are offering high quality....at quite considerable lower cost than
some UK based......website designers.

Do you know that the average UK website designer programmer is charging
between £20 per hour..and £50 per hour.......

In india I can hire a graduate from university...with my own indian company
for only about a few hundred pounds per month!!!

I also have a 100% owned Ltd Company in Eastern Europe....and I can legally
hire an East European person in Poland...who can also do website design
work.......from my premises which i have in Eastern Europe..

So it is possible to transfer those skills.

I am the salesmen..and I have the high tech, high skilled backup at a low
labour cost...basis.................

I hope you can understand now,, why I am able to offer low cost, high value
work........

I appreciate you are asking so many questions because it seems "too good to
be true"..but as i say..I take no payment in advance........and also I am
investing in these initial 20 or so websites..so that it will then generate
another 200 websites..at the normal price...which won't be more than £80
pounds or so depending on the work..

Somewhere between £75 and £150 although i have'nt decided yet.....it depends
on how much time it takes per website......

Do you know how cheap it is to get highly skilled internet programmers in
~Eastern Europe and India? The exciting thing for me is that these skills
can be utilised over the internet..thousands of miles away.
No need to write us a novel in your reply this time Stephen - just
Sorry about the Novel <g> But I wished to answer all your points very
clearly so that any potential clients who are interested in saving loads of
money can know the answers for themselves.
straightforward answers or nothing, please.

Because you are asking me so many questions continually, I am trying to give
you the complete picture...

I have already recieved many proposals from these websites/news sights for
telemarketing and now website design..that I wish to give the complete
picture.....


I have decided that because you have brought up these points..then maybe
other people will wonder like you have..so I am answering all your
questions..so anybody else reading this ...can know the answers and reasons
why I am offering such exceptional value for money....


Any questions anybody has..can contact me: (e-mail address removed)
 
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Stephen

Alan Terry said:
That's not what you claimed before.


You are consistently writing long answers that avoid my very simple
questions, Stephen.
Alan, I have answered all your questions...and given you all the
answers.....I have said why I have not got website to show you!!

Also you have not told me why you are interested so much?

Can you tell me please, how much you charge to make your websites, the ones
you asked me to telemarket for you?

If I have not given you any answers Alan, please tell me what the questions
where....and I'll answer them, although I can't think of one question you've
asked that has not been answered?
 
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Stephen

Dave said:
I'm surprised your fingers haven't worn out with all the crap you are
typing here
Ok Dave, I think by your use of words it is clear to see what your interest
is.
 
S

Stephen

Do you get the text thrown into a fixed template design where the
Not at all, we can use our own template designs, where a client can choose
colour, I take all the information about their business, I then prepare it
in the best way, photographs, we include different graphics, designs, logos,
they have all manner of different things depending on what kind of website
they wish for..



Do you get a site built be a developer to your own design?


Yes, a client will have their website built by a website designer.


- Do you get a bespoke site created by a designer?

We can make whatever the client wants.....for our basic package, we are
offering six pages...and they can have what they like..

What do you call a bespoke website?...If a client wants something really and
completely unique, we can do that also....if something goes beyond the
normal time, then that is a separate issue.......

For example..we can easily put in an access panel,, for them so they can
update their own text...or they can update new photographs.

For example and online shop, we can put in their own access panel so they
can do their own adjustments without any problem..


Quality is professional...

Our clients will speak for themselves.

You show me anywhere you can get a website made to your specifications for
£50, cheap I know, but there are other companies working totally
online..that are doing it all via the internet....they are charging many
times more money than we are! ...
 
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Stephen

Alan Terry said:
Les / Claire,

To present yourself to the world as a proper business (especially in an
arena like Ebay) you really should set up your own domain name and
business email addresses. Why have you deferred this - it can't be on
cost grounds, surely?

Also, you could have a smart 2 or 3 page website to raise your
credibility without it having online ordering on it (ie avoiding the
expensive bit). What are you assuming would be the cost of something
like that?

I would have thought both of these would be as essential as having
letterheads and business cards would be for a traditional business.


Hi Alan,

I just wanted to thankyou for taking so much interest in my small website
business, because, funnily enough, it has turned out that you've actually
asked just the kind of questions people would have asked..this of course has
led to interest!! Which in turn will translate to concrete orders most
likely just from reading your questions!So thanks
 
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Alan Terry

Stephen <indiantravelcom said:
They know they are getting a special introductory offer, then the price will
more than double...maybe £195
Not the 'probably less than 100' you said before, then!

Yes absolutely....regarding templates...we actually can design anything, but
we will definitely use templates......
It is quicker with templates....but we have thousands
Why do have thousands?

Do you own the rights to them already??

But I am concentrating on small business owners who want high quality small
busines websites
You are still refusing to prove what quality you are offering this with
examples!!!

This has been my central point from post one - and always ignored.
I do not charge on an hourly basis at all...I charge per website.....thats
all...no hourly charge....£50 per website......thats it....if they don't
like it..they don't have to buy it....but I am so confident of my product
and my high value for money that I am prepared to do the work without any
payment in advance..
Exactly the same here, but in addition each site is bespoke (ie based on
client's existing branding) - not template - and the client sees the
designs before committing to going ahead.

How is your website business going? You are targeting a slightly different
market I think, are'nt you?
Extremely well / no.

When you asked me to telemarket to try to sell your websites to businesses,
I think you mentioned something about.....targeting a specific sectin, I
think you said the Wedding Industry!
That was in a private email - you obviously don't believe in
confidentiality.

Bad, bad show Stephen.

And when we were discussing your telemarketing service you didn't even
mention that you were also running a business in the same line of
business as me, ie you are a competitor.

Breaking confidentiality and not revealing material facts ...

-------------------------------
WHERE ARE YOUR BUSINESS ETHICS?
-------------------------------

I have'nt even started officially this business
That's the third version we have heard of your current position!

I have decided that because you have brought up these points..then maybe
other people will wonder like you have..so I am answering all your
questions..so anybody else reading this ...can know the answers and reasons
why I am offering such exceptional value for money....
You are offering cheap sites. Value is a different concept taking into
account quality which you have provided NO EVIDENCE of.

Any questions anybody has..can contact me: (e-mail address removed)
But never expect a straight answer to a straight question based on this
thread!
 
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Alan Terry

Stephen <indiantravelcomp said:
Do you get the text thrown into a fixed template design where the
You say:
Not at all, we can use our own template designs, where a client can choose
colour, I take all the information about their business, I then prepare it
in the best way,Do you get a site built be a developer to your own design?
You mean:
"Yes"!
- Do you get a bespoke site created by a designer?
You say:
We can make whatever the client wants.....for our basic package, we are
offering six pages...and they can have what they like..
You mean:
No - it's got to one of your templates.

You say:
If a client wants something really and
completely unique, we can do that also....if something goes beyond the
normal time, then that is a separate issue.......
You mean:
None of this is in your basic package.

You say:
Quality is professional...
You mean:
"I am not going to show you / the group".
 
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Alan Terry

Stephen <indiantravelcomp said:
Hi Alan,

I just wanted to thankyou for taking so much interest in my small website
business, because, funnily enough, it has turned out that you've actually
asked just the kind of questions people would have asked..this of course has
led to interest!! Which in turn will translate to concrete orders most
likely just from reading your questions!So thanks
Excellent.

I hope they all end up with brilliant websites, that they will report
back on how good the service was and that you and they will allow us to
see the end product.
 
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Alan Terry

Stephen <indiantravelcomp said:
Alan, I have answered all your questions...and given you all the
answers.....I have said why I have not got website to show you!!
Where?

Also you have not told me why you are interested so much?
I am not going to now either - or anything else - see points in my other
posting on you breaching my confidentiality.
I can't think of one question you've
asked that has not been answered?
Exactly.
 
S

Stephen

Alan Terry said:
I said many times..I am new!! This is brand knew business venture......Thats
WHY I have NO COMPLETED WEBSITES>>>>>excep the ones we are working on right
now!!

So if I had existing clients I would not be having special introductory
offers..I thought i answered that many times.

So yah...but I would not just post them up here anyway...if a client
approached me in private on my mail address yahh sure I would then.....

So I hope you get it now.....

Anyway what is wrong with saying why you've taken so much interest..I've
answered you totally and also given you my complete business plan
virtually...including why I am able to make websites at a great price!!

You ask many questions but you don't answer one single question of mine?
Thats not exactly fair is it....it would be nice if you explained why you at
least wanted to know some much interest about my business model...

I answered all your questions in depth, in spite of your sometimes
"sarcastic tones"...
I am not going to now either - or anything else - see points in my other
posting on you breaching my confidentiality.
What do you mean breaching your confidentiality?

Are you talking about you selling internet sites? Sorry if that was a secret
but when you said thats what you where doing you never said it was a
secret..or really super confidential...besides I don't know your private
details or anything like..that..

I just thought as you where asking me all this kind of stuff I assumed you
where asking cause you where in the same line of business..

Sorry if that was confidential..but you did'nt tell me..
 
S

Stephen

Alan Terry said:
You say: design?

You mean:
"Yes"!
We can manufacture each website indiviudally..it is no big deal..but we also
can use our own templates that we can make..we never "throw" anything...

I personally put all the text together very carefuly in a very careful way,
highlighting all the selling points of the clients business and I liase with
the client at every step of the way...

Although it is a new business, I know that by getting many intial orders by
a good value price, we will get many referrels in the future.
You say:

You mean:
No - it's got to one of your templates.
You are wrong..please don't keep telling me what I mean..I know what I mean
Alan, I mean the client can have what he wishes..however he wishes.....

You say:

You mean:
None of this is in your basic package.


You say:

You mean:
"I am not going to show you / the group".

I mean your really determined not to listen to what I have said...you are
the only person on this group who is interested in my website busines Allen,
nobody else gives a monkeys except you..and I doubt anybody else is
interested..

The only interested people contact me direct..and believe me, asking all
these questions......only further explains why my websites are excellent
quality and excellent value.

It is common knowledge that India has some of the best programmers in the
entire world.

Do you know how many Indians are working in microsoft you can't imagine!
 
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Stephen

Alan Terry said:
Excellent.

I hope they all end up with brilliant websites, that they will report
back on how good the service was and that you and they will allow us to
see the end product.
Yahh further more...if you are so interested, and so worried about the
confidential fact that you are wishing also a website designer also trying
to sell to businesses then why did'nt you conduct this entire conversation
in private?

Instead it seems you are trying to discredit what I'm saying.......

Your whole tone has not been of trying to understand, but instead, you seem
to have been trying to proove I'm somehow making rubbishy products..



This is the first positive posting you've made! Are you sure your feeling
alright?



Just because I have not got completed websites available to show you, in
fact there are many completed websites, but they have my subcontractors
details on!! And I am having my detials put on my own websites that my
clients purchase.....

That is also another reason why I have not got my own websites yet.....

Hope you finally get the message.
 
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Les & Claire

I am not going to now either - or anything else - see >.

.... perhaps "Na-na-nana-na!" would fit here?

Les
 
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Alan Terry

Les & Claire said:
.... perhaps "Na-na-nana-na!" would fit here?

Les
OK - made me smile - fair enough.

But the serious point here is that Stephen has disclosed in public some
of the content my private emails to him when I was considering using him
for telemarketing.

This I regard as extremely poor practice.

He just doesn't seem to understand that information passed between
companies in private should be regarded as confidential unless agreed
otherwise. He regards everything as for the public domain unless the
company states that specific information should be treated as
confidential.

What's your position on this?
 
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Stephen GoldenGun

Clive George said:
way,

Unlike in your posts here then.
Thats right George, Unlike my posts here...this is casual text directed at
nobody of any importance..
BTW your full stop key appears to be sticking.
No George, if you ever communicate via chat, or emails the majority of
people have adopted different ways of expressing themselves which do not
conform to the standard rules of grammar. Mainly the younger generation.
Hee hee. They're no better than anybody else. In my professional capacity
I've met poor programmers from both India and the UK.
You did'nt understand what I wrote George. I did'nt say India had the only
the best programmers in the world..but I said that india has "some of the
best programmers in the world.

This is due to the huge number of graduates they have, indians have a huge
educated population and they are exporting their intelligent young graduates
to all corners of the globe.

It can be done by the internet and telephone...eg. you can see call centers
emerging etc.

But Bill Gates himself made the statement that "india has some of the worlds
BEST programmers"...bill gates himself is employing vast numbers of
programmers....recruited in india...

That isn't necessarily a good advert!
Well that maybe not a good advert for you, but it is for me, I don't agree
with you, you obviously think india is having not good programmers, well I
just know there are many UK software developing companies who are
outsourcing and setting up business entities in bangalore, chennai and other
software hotspots in india.
 

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