Hello to the group... and HELP!


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Stephen GoldenGun

... they will know what to do!

Would any accountant in here really recommend that their clients
approach someone for a website who is an agent (without their own
website, incidentally!) who doesn't produce websites, but passes work
out to undisclosed programmers who he probably has never met?

I can't see it, but then I might just be worried about some
competition!!!

After all this is the Stephen who was educating us all about targeting
markets and telemarketing at the start of this (or was it another?)
thread.
Haaa you are surely joking about worrying about "competition"???

There are thousands of website developers all over the UK....

Just because I am trying to offer a high value product at low cost due to
low labor costs and low overhead costs, and going for a high turnover is not
even going to make a dent in the market for websites.

I'm sure there is much scope for your £400 websites that you have not said
if you use a template or not......as you seem to think "templates" are some
 
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Ronald Raygun

Stephen said:
No George, if you ever communicate via chat, or emails the majority of
people have adopted different ways of expressing themselves which do not
conform to the standard rules of grammar. Mainly the younger generation.
Well go back to the playpen then and use "chat", whatever that is,
but if you want to talk to us grown-ups then please do so in
grown-up language.
Well that maybe not a good advert for you, but it is for me, I don't agree
with you, you obviously think india is having not good programmers,
I think you'll find ais comment has more to say about Microsoft than
about Indian programmers.

Microsoft software is BAD BAD BAD, not because the programmers are
incompetent, but because they are told to write bad software.
 
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Ronald Raygun

Stephen said:
Fact is Dear Alan, you yourself opened up and developed this conversation
about designing internet websites,

You yourself chose this open forum,
Don't you understand that when a conversation which has begun in
an open forum and is continued in private, what is said in private
is *always* presumed to be in confidence?
You yourself did not tell me that it was "top secret" and "classified"
that you asked me to do telemarketing for you on a commision and I replied
that I was not interested.....What is so "confidential about that" when we
are talking about it..in an open forum started by yourself?
Look. If I speak with you on the telephone or communicate by
letter or fax or email, that is private. What is said in private
is ALWAYS presumed confidential, even if it had its roots in a
public conversation such as a newsgroup, chat forum, or dinner party.

Everybody knows that and respects the protocol. If you don't
realise that, how can you be a real businessman? You give the
impression of having no integrity.
You don't get it! It is not between companies...you asked me if I would
sell your £400 pounds websites on commision thats all....and I said no I
am not interested in commision work..and as you where questioning me about
my business in public...then how can you expect it not to come up as part
of the natural course of convo....
He didn't ask you those things in public. He did so in private.
To drag parts of a private conversation out in public is just
not done. If you are unaware of that you are either extremely
naive and therefore your standing as a businessman must be
questioned on the grounds of inexperience, immaturity, and
incompetence, or else, or else, well, I'll leave you to guess
what people will think of you and your so-called morals.
Tell me why you should care that anybody knows you asked me to telemarket
your expensive high quality websites for a commision?
Let me tell you. If I were to make a discreet enquiry of a
marketing expert whether he might like to help me find buyers
for an aphrodisiac I had developed, I would be extremely angry
if you were to mention it in public (or even in private to others),
in case my girlfriend got to hear of it. She would suspect that
she only finds me attractive because I spiked her drinks with my
potion.
There is nothing secret about that? And whats more it was part of the
conversation that was open.....that is all...
WRONG WRONG WRONG. The whole point of moving into a private corner
is to get out of earshot of the crowds.
Why should you ask me questions about my business but yet get upset when I
inadvertantly reveal some minor detail about yours?

Tell me that?
Integrity, my dear fellow. Not part of your religion, it would seem.
If you are so concerned with privacy..then why did you not ask me all
these questions in private hu? Can you answer this dear Alan?
Maybe he thought that questions you might be reluctant to
answer in public you might be more amenable to answering in
private, BECAUSE of the obvious assumption that anything
revealed in private should remain private.
 
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Peter Saxton

You did'nt understand what I wrote George. I did'nt say India had the only
the best programmers in the world..but I said that india has "some of the
best programmers in the world.

This is due to the huge number of graduates they have, indians have a huge
educated population and they are exporting their intelligent young graduates
to all corners of the globe.
India may have a lot of graduates but a degree in India is not worth
very much. I've met a lot of Indian graduates who struggle with basic
tasks.

I can't understand why you are not willing to put some example web
sites online for potential clients to view.



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Peter Saxton

Yes, that's one of the business services I provide (as well as book-
keeping): http://www.yoursuccess.co.uk

No secrets - people can see (a) the quality of the work, (b) the costs
and value, and (c) know who is working for them.
Your web site looks quite secretive now.



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Peter Saxton

I'm surprised your fingers haven't worn out with all the crap you are
typing here
Dave can be pretty insulting but he certainly hits the nail on the
head at times!



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Peter Saxton

Email conversations should remain private unless permission has been
given.

Unfortunately, Stephen, you want to argue anything and everything.



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Stephen GoldenGun

Peter Saxton said:
Alan Terry said:
Why don't you design a few with a view to use them as a showcase?



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If you read the posts on this thread you would see that I already explained
what I am going to use as a showroom..after being grilled about it by
someone who was also designing websites for eight times the price am able to
offer them.

As we make some of our special offers for clients we will "earn at the same
time" as developing our showcase.
 
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Stephen GoldenGun

Peter Saxton said:
Email conversations should remain private unless permission has been
given.

Unfortunately, Stephen, you want to argue anything and everything.



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Unfortunately Peter, some people don't like to be told their wrong, some
people say this when people don't agree with them. So tell me why you posted
that! It made no purpose except to provoke? Eh? otherwise why did you say
that statement..and the last one?

Your comments are designed to take to get a reaction..otherwise why post?
 
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Stephen GoldenGun

Peter Saxton said:
India may have a lot of graduates but a degree in India is not worth
very much. I've met a lot of Indian graduates who struggle with basic
tasks.

I can't understand why you are not willing to put some example web
sites online for potential clients to view.



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That is the third time you've mentioned this...from an old posting...Can I
ask why you have gone to an old posting, searched through all of the
postings, only to ask something that is self evident if you had read it?

Read here: THE REASON I HAVE NOT GOT ANY WEBSITES IS THAT IT IS A NEW
BUSINESS!! BRAND KNEW.....AND I AM NOT USING MY SUBCONTRACTERS WEBSITES AS
EXAMPLES BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT ALL THEIR INFORMATION ON IT.

THEN THE CLIENTS MIGHT GET CONFUSED, AND CONTACT THEM DIRECTLY, WHICH THEY
DO NOT WANT, NOR HAVE TIME FOR, ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS MY BUSINESS, THEY ARE
JUST BEING PAID TO MAKE THE WEBSITES.

I hope you understand now and don't write another three postings asking the
same thing..lol

I think you don't read properly LOL
 
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Stephen GoldenGun

Peter Saxton said:
India may have a lot of graduates but a degree in India is not worth
very much. I've met a lot of Indian graduates who struggle with basic
tasks.

I can't understand why you are not willing to put some example web
sites online for potential clients to view.



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P.S. your website looks very basic, you could do with having a new website
made.
 
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Peter Saxton

Peter Saxton said:
(e-mail address removed)> writes



Do you ever read the threads that you post to? I can't believe that you
do...because if you did you would know that its a new business with no
websites to show, yet and thats why I'm offering special deals.
I'm sorry but with every post you are making yourself look a bigger
fool.

My posting was in response to Alan Terry's posting and it referred to
his web site link.



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Peter Saxton

Unfortunately Peter, some people don't like to be told their wrong, some
people say this when people don't agree with them. So tell me why you posted
that! It made no purpose except to provoke? Eh? otherwise why did you say
that statement..and the last one?

Your comments are designed to take to get a reaction..otherwise why post?
I posted it to confirm that you are the only one who thinks that
private email correspondence should be repeated in public.



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Peter Saxton

Peter Saxton said:
If you read the posts on this thread you would see that I already explained
what I am going to use as a showroom..after being grilled about it by
someone who was also designing websites for eight times the price am able to
offer them.

As we make some of our special offers for clients we will "earn at the same
time" as developing our showcase.
I know what you said. But it seems as if you are someone who's not
willing to show an example of work unless he gets a firm order. This
creates suspicion among the vast majority of people.



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Peter Saxton

That is the third time you've mentioned this...from an old posting...Can I
ask why you have gone to an old posting, searched through all of the
postings, only to ask something that is self evident if you had read it?

Read here: THE REASON I HAVE NOT GOT ANY WEBSITES IS THAT IT IS A NEW
BUSINESS!! BRAND KNEW.....AND I AM NOT USING MY SUBCONTRACTERS WEBSITES AS
EXAMPLES BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT ALL THEIR INFORMATION ON IT.

THEN THE CLIENTS MIGHT GET CONFUSED, AND CONTACT THEM DIRECTLY, WHICH THEY
DO NOT WANT, NOR HAVE TIME FOR, ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS MY BUSINESS, THEY ARE
JUST BEING PAID TO MAKE THE WEBSITES.

I hope you understand now and don't write another three postings asking the
same thing..lol

I think you don't read properly LOL
Why don't they do a few web sites as examples of their work?

All of your excuses so far do not make sense.



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Peter Saxton

P.S. your website looks very basic, you could do with having a new website
made.
I agree. It's meant to be basic. I like it like that.



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Stephen GoldenGun

Peter Saxton said:
I know what you said. But it seems as if you are someone who's not
willing to show an example of work unless he gets a firm order. This
creates suspicion among the vast majority of people.

Your a real windup merchant!...lol...

You know I said explained why I have'nt got one. so it does'nt create
suspicion not when people understand its a new biz.
 
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Stephen GoldenGun

Peter Saxton said:
I posted it to confirm that you are the only one who thinks that
private email correspondence should be repeated in public.

Ah, but it was'nt private as it was relevant to the convo. And it was not of
a private nature as you well know..:)
 
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Stephen GoldenGun

Peter Saxton said:
Peter Saxton said:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 17:16:42 +0100, Alan Terry

I'm sorry but with every post you are making yourself look a bigger
fool.
Well as your opinion is usually wrong , and you don't understand much of
whats being said, your opinion does'nt worry me at all. <g> Besides I'm not
the type to worry about others opinions..and certainly not yours.

I am rather fascinated to know why you don't answer my questions about your
apparant fascination with me? If you thought I am wrong why do you feel the
need to try to pick up every little single point...even though the answers
to most of your questions are all there in the text..I find that most odd.
 

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