HMRC Gripes


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Jon Griffey

I have to get this off my chest.

When we apply for VAT registration online for clients, we no longer get
a copy of the registration certificate and so cannot monitor how the
application is progressing. Clients being what they are often don't
pass on communications from HMRC and so we have no idea what is going
on.

If we try to contact HMRC about the matter we are told that they cannot
speak to us about it as we do not hold a 64-8, despite it being us that
we filed the application, using our online facility in the first place.

However we cannot file a 64-8 at the time as the client doesn't have a
VAT number.

What we need is a way of incorporating the 64-8 agent authority into the
online VAT application. If they accept VAT registration applications
from us in the first place then we are surely they must accept that we
have de facto authorisation to act.
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Jon Griffey FCCA CTA
Hackett Griffey


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Alan Ferris

Clients being what they are often don't
pass on communications from HMRC
So nlame the HMRC for it all......

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Ferrit

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"I always babble nonsense to people"
Patrick Barker
 
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Jon Griffey

Alan Ferris said:
So nlame the HMRC for it all......

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Ferrit

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"I always babble nonsense to people"
Patrick Barker

That's a fair point.

Mind you its us agents that keeps the whole tax system functioning (as
admitted recently by HMRC) so it would be nice not to have to have so
many obstacles put in our way.
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Jon Griffey FCCA CTA

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Peter Saxton

It's not a fair point it's a stupid point.

I don't think you were blaming HMRC for clients not passing on
information.

I blame HMRC for not understanding what is happening. They let you
apply for a VAT registration but they don't appear to want agents to
be able to deal with their clients affairs. You can send in a 64-8
even without a VAT number but it would make more sense if they sent
out a code to the client as soon as the agent registered them online.
The purpose of this letter would be simply to ask the client to tell
the agent the code if the client wants the agent to be authorised.

Ferrit is too stupid to understand any of this and he accuses you of
blaming HMRC for clients not passing on information to you.

I believe your point was that the present system is not ideal. I would
agree with you. I think it's is because HMRC are too stupid to think
of a sensible way of dealing with the problem you have raised.

I, on the otherhand, have proposed a sensible suggestion. It's a pity
that HMRC don't seem to care about solutions to problems.
 
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Jon Griffey

Peter Saxton said:
It's not a fair point it's a stupid point.

I don't think you were blaming HMRC for clients not passing on
information.

I blame HMRC for not understanding what is happening. They let you
apply for a VAT registration but they don't appear to want agents to
be able to deal with their clients affairs. You can send in a 64-8
even without a VAT number but it would make more sense if they sent
out a code to the client as soon as the agent registered them online.
The purpose of this letter would be simply to ask the client to tell
the agent the code if the client wants the agent to be authorised.

Ferrit is too stupid to understand any of this and he accuses you of
blaming HMRC for clients not passing on information to you.

I believe your point was that the present system is not ideal. I would
agree with you. I think it's is because HMRC are too stupid to think
of a sensible way of dealing with the problem you have raised.

I, on the otherhand, have proposed a sensible suggestion. It's a pity
that HMRC don't seem to care about solutions to problems.
Peter

I can't see why when applying for VAT online they don't just put a tick
box to confirm that the agent applying is duly authorised to deal with
ongoing VAT matters. After all they accept agents authority for
registering for VAT and providing the correct details thereon.

Also why don't they allow us to put what stagger dates we want, like
they used to do with the paper forms? Invariably the client is issued
with an inconvenient stagger and when we write to change it, guess what
- can't do it as no 64-8.

Have you had much success in sending off a 64-8 with a blank VAT number?
--
Jon Griffey FCCA CTA
Hackett Griffey
Chartered Certified Accountants & Registered Auditors
2 Mill Road, Haverhill, Suffolk, CB9 8BD, United Kingdom

Tel (01440) 762024

www.hackettgriffey.com

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Peter Saxton

Peter

I can't see why when applying for VAT online they don't just put a tick
box to confirm that the agent applying is duly authorised to deal with
ongoing VAT matters. After all they accept agents authority for
registering for VAT and providing the correct details thereon.
It's weird how much they accept from an agent without being willing to
talk to him.
Also why don't they allow us to put what stagger dates we want, like
they used to do with the paper forms? Invariably the client is issued
with an inconvenient stagger and when we write to change it, guess what
- can't do it as no 64-8.

Have you had much success in sending off a 64-8 with a blank VAT number?
Yes. I talked to HMRC VAT people today after sending a 64-8 with no
VAT number.
 

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