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firemonkey
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Evil Nigel
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_lawIsn't mentioning Hitler reputed to sound the death knell for internet
discussions?
Evil Nigel
i suspect everything is about hedonism and not wanting to be bummed outIsn't this more a case of inclination lacking rather than time. Surely
we can all *make the time* if we really wanted to. I'm not saying it's
clinical in that they don't want to help, it's just we seem to have
forgotten how to help![]()
Daft as it seems this is a viable solution for some. It is quite toughI was watching a program on the beeb about women in prison, because
life on the outside was so crap most of them prefer to be in prison. I
think that sums up how bad things have got for people in todays
society when they would rather be in prison than face the daily
pressures of trying to survive on the outside.
If you want a house and a job and be well catered for, get locked up
and all your problems are solved.![]()
we are what we practice, people are fooled into believing that theseI was watching a program on the beeb about women in prison, because life
on the outside was so crap most of them prefer to be in prison. I think
that sums up how bad things have got for people in todays society when
they would rather be in prison than face the daily pressures of trying
to survive on the outside.
If you want a house and a job and be well catered for, get locked up and
all your problems are solved.![]()
The above is not exactly a true reflection of the inmates, is it?Niteawk said:I was watching a program on the beeb about women in prison, because life
on the outside was so crap most of them prefer to be in prison. I think
that sums up how bad things have got for people in todays society when
they would rather be in prison than face the daily pressures of trying to
survive on the outside.
i suspect everything is about hedonism and not wanting to be bummed out
secretly. i am lending kindness to my neglectful friends by assuming
they haven't got time. i know they are avoiders...
It's the *thinking* that can make life very complicated and difficult.we are what we practice, people are fooled into believing that these
things are genetic or a "gods gift", so they don't challenge themselves
i think.
It is a choice at the end of the day but many cannot help the choiceThe above is not exactly a true reflection of the inmates, is it?
A high percentage of the women in there are drug addicts by their own
volition, and being locked up keeps them away from drugs, which some see as
a way of escaping from the drugs, (but a few still managed to get hold of
them when a new prisoner was admitted who was so confused, she had
mistakenly wrapped up some drugs and used them for a tampax). When they are
eventually released, a lot make the choice to go back on drugs, which then
leads them to more crime, and so back to prison, but it is their choice, not
society's.
And there you have it, any useful or relevant point you have immediatelyI quite agree with you 100%. What I am getting at is why it does this
to us. Rather it's how we perceive the job than what the job is
perhaps? If we just accepted a job is a job and left it at that would
we not be better off?
But in a society we have to live by certain rules and guidelines, and
that includes doing the menial tasks. I cant wait to run away from
society myself so I know where you are coming from. quit long ago
Attribute it to anything you like the principle is the same don't you
think?
No of course not, I hoped that would have been a given.
It shouldn't though unless you're just looking for trouble which IAnd there you have it, any useful or relevant point you have immediately
gets lost when you make any kind of comparison to Hitler.
But prison proves, both to the drug users, and to others, that they canPendragon said:It is a choice at the end of the day but many cannot help the choice
they make.
Yes but it's out of their control and so they live with it. Soon asBut prison proves, both to the drug users, and to others, that they can
survive and cope without drugs for as long as their sentence lasts, which
seems to undermine the reasoning that they cannot help the choice they make
when released.
Society, mainly. Man is a social animal, and the form of society we haveI quite agree with you 100%. What I am getting at is why it does this
to us. Rather it's how we perceive the job than what the job is
perhaps? If we just accepted a job is a job and left it at that would
we not be better off?
Who decides when one has achieved their station, their potential?Only if we have ideas above our station.
Of course with duties and expectations of and from society.But in a society we have to live by certain rules and guidelines,
Any thesaurus gives synonyms of menial including lowly, base, degrading,and that includes doing the menial tasks.
I don't think it's a willingness to run away, it's trying to overcome aI cant wait to run away from society myself so I know where you are
coming from. quit long ago![]()
Can never be too sure. 99% of people I have encountered on usenet whoNo of course not, I hoped that would have been a given.
I'll take it as meaning *consisting of or occupied with work requiring.
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Of course with duties and expectations of and from society.But in a society we have to live by certain rules and guidelines,
Any thesaurus gives synonyms of menial including lowly, base, degrading,and that includes doing the menial tasks.
servile, dogsbody etc. While society sees these jobs and the people who
do them in this way (and it seems to me that it does) then it will often
sap a persons self respect and adverseley effect their self image to do
them.
Surely the *mother* will feel priceless at the gift they have chargeIt isn't an impossible change to make, the role of a 'stay at home
mother' has become more widely valued over the past two decades or so,
but we aren't even making baby steps in that direction.
Keeping up with the Joneses was never a good philosophy.I don't think it's a willingness to run away, it's trying to overcome a
feeling of alienation, of not belonging. I think the current buzzword is
dienfranchisement.
Only in an insecure person surely. I don't think society really thinksWhats wrong with it is often that it offers no challenge no enjoyment no
sense of acheivement, and very little reward - not just monetarily but
in the lack of respect shown by society.
Very few of us are collies, most of us are sheep, that's quite clear.Put a dog like a collie in such an environment and it will almost always
develop serious behavioral problems. It's the same with us, we're
animals too.
Which is exactly how we in the *modern world* should perceive our timeI disagree. Less 'advanced', less money and technology centric cutures
manage fine. Budhist monks can sit for hours in meditation. There are
African tribes who's time inbetween hunts sat together re-telling old
stories, reminiscing, and watching the women do the hard part of the
'hunter-gatherer' equation; the bit that really keeps the tribe alive.
I don't see how. Hitler, Stalin etc were certainly not weirdoCan never be too sure. 99% of people I have encountered on usenet who
quote Hitler end up seeming to me like one variety of weirdo extremist
or another. Other people seem to have the same experience hance the
comment....
Yes but that was not the point I was alluding to....to be sure you seem like you might give the minority component a
boost.
The point I was trying to allude to was that the signs were first put on
Auschwitz by Rudolf Hoess, seemingly as a sick joke in that he new work
would certainly not make them free.
That's true. Many will always find something to do with their time,Work is necessary and can be liberating but I don't believe this is
universally so.
If you can't see why a man who presided over a regime thatIt shouldn't though unless you're just looking for trouble which I
suspect is the case in most instances. It's *work makes you free* that
is important, not Hitler. Would it really matter if I had said "Donald
Duck once said".... ? And why on earth should it, what does that
really say about us?
If you can't see why *work makes you free* is such a simple statementIf you can't see why a man who presided over a regime that
industrialised mass murder and re-introduced slavery to europe, might be
a bad idea then there's not much I can do to enlighten you.
Supposedly prison provides the first exposure to drugs for many people -Harry said:But prison proves, both to the drug users, and to others, that they can
survive and cope without drugs for as long as their sentence lasts, which
seems to undermine the reasoning that they cannot help the choice they make
when released.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_lawIsn't mentioning Hitler reputed to sound the death knell for internet
discussions?
Evil Nigel
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