Incapacity benefit question


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Tim

A young acquaintance of mine has just applied for incapacity benefit as
a single person and she is wondering how much they might be affected if
she were to be at a future date in a cohabiting relationship.
Would a 'partners's income effect whether she is illegible/impact on
council tax/housing benefit?

Thanks
Tim
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Tim

Tim said:
A young acquaintance of mine has just applied for incapacity benefit as
a single person and she is wondering how much they might be affected if
she were to be at a future date in a cohabiting relationship.
Would a 'partners's income effect whether she is illegible/impact on
council tax/housing benefit?

Thanks
Tim

Apologies that should have read eligible instead of illegible!
 
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Robbie

Tim said:
Apologies that should have read eligible instead of illegible!
Incapacity Benefit isn't means tested (except when a works pension is
paid) so if paid it would continue whether the person is single or if
they then start to live with someone.

Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit are both means tested so when a
person is single they are calculated by looking at what income that
person has. If she then has a partner move in then the income of the
partner would also be taken into account in calculating those benefits.
Same with Income Support, if that was to be paid alongside Incapacity
benefit - that too is a means tested benefit.

But Incapacity Benefit isn't affected by someone moving in.
 
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mymail

A young acquaintance of mine has just applied for incapacity benefit as
a single person and she is wondering how much they might be affected if
she were to be at a future date in a cohabiting relationship.
Who is to say if they are cohabiting or not ? , two friends of mine
have been living together now for over ten years and both claiming
benefits not incapacity but income support . If you friend tells them
the whole truth and nothing but the truth then I suspect her benefits
may be affected but for two people male male female female or male and
female who are sharing some accommodation doesn't automatically mean
they are cohabiting does it . A particular thing to watch is that the
accommodation has two bedrooms a single bedroom would really start
those twisted evil minded people at DWP thinking .
 
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mymail

If she then has a partner move in then the income of the
partner would also be taken into account in calculating those benefits.
Slightly wrong here Robbie if two people are sharing a house or
whatever together they are treated as single individuals no matter
what sex they are the only time this changes is when they are living
together has man and wife or can be deemed to be so doing. My two
friends have taken great care to avoid entering into a legal civil
partnership for this one reason has they would then be then considered
to be cohabiting and the dwp would take half of the benefits they are
now getting from them .
 
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mart2306

Who is to say if they are cohabiting or not ? , two friends of mine
have been living together now for over ten years and both claiming
benefits not incapacity but income support . If you friend tells them
the whole truth and nothing but the truth then I suspect her benefits
may be affected but for two people male male female female or male and
female who are sharing some accommodation doesn't automatically mean
they are cohabiting does it . A particular thing to watch is that the
accommodation has two bedrooms a single bedroom would really start
those twisted evil minded people at DWP thinking .  
Yes, its possible for 2 people to live in a house without sharing a
bed or having a relationship beyond friendship.
But far more common for people to actually be a couple.
Very rough rule of thumb we used to use, if the benefit claims are
seperate, bills are seperate, bank accounts are seperate and a
houseshare (or flatshare) agreement written up, then probably aren't a
couple for DWP purposes.
Thats what the local fraud team used anyway.
Oh, and the benefit claimants have to state they aren't living as a
couple, or its all moot.

Martin <><
 
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mart2306

Slightly wrong here Robbie if two people are sharing a house or
whatever together they are treated as single individuals no matter
what sex they are the only time this changes is when they are living
together has man and wife or can be deemed to be so doing. My two
friends have taken great care to avoid entering into a legal civil
partnership for this one reason has they would then be then considered
to be cohabiting and the dwp would take half of the benefits they are
now getting from them .
So are these friends fiddling benefits at the moment rather than
declare what actually is?

Martin <><
 
R

Robbie

Slightly wrong here Robbie if two people are sharing a house or
whatever together they are treated as single individuals no matter
what sex they are the only time this changes is when they are living
together has man and wife or can be deemed to be so doing. My two
friends have taken great care to avoid entering into a legal civil
partnership for this one reason has they would then be then considered
to be cohabiting and the dwp would take half of the benefits they are
now getting from them .
No, I'm not slightly wrong. The question seems to relate to what happens
when someone enters a cohabiting relationship. Not a house share. A
cohabiting relationship indicates they would be a couple and all that
entails, not two friends sharing the weetabix and milk, electricity, gas
and telephone bills and nothing else.

From what you write, your two friends are probably defrauding the
system as they are pretending they are not a couple when they are. It's
not necessary for a same sex couple to enter into a legal civil
partnership to be deemed to be living together. If their relationship is
similar to a couple in a civil partnership then they are living together
for benefit purposes. That means they can be deemed to be cohabiting.
 
R

Robbie

Yes, its possible for 2 people to live in a house without sharing a
bed or having a relationship beyond friendship.
But far more common for people to actually be a couple.
Very rough rule of thumb we used to use, if the benefit claims are
seperate, bills are seperate, bank accounts are seperate and a
houseshare (or flatshare) agreement written up, then probably aren't a
couple for DWP purposes.
Thats what the local fraud team used anyway.
Oh, and the benefit claimants have to state they aren't living as a
couple, or its all moot.

Martin <><
In a house share many bills would be shared and in some respects two
house sharers can pass almost all the tests for a couple living together
if they share all the usual household bills, shop together, cook for
each other.

There are other things that are looked at too - I did literally dozens
of living together interviews when I was at the DWP and after a while I
got a feel for whether a couple were living together or not. Most of the
time it was pretty obvious anyway. But I never made the actual living
together decision - it was one decision that my boss had to make. In
fact it was the the only decision I wasn't allowed to make due to the
"sensitive nature" of the investigation the visiting officer wasn't
allowed to adjudicate. But my boss used to always ask me what I thought
before he ticked the relevant box (living together / not living
together)on the form...

Out of all the living together interviews I did only one decision was
appealed and the claimant lost that one at a tribunal.
 
T

Tim

So are these friends fiddling benefits at the moment rather than
declare what actually is?

Martin <><

No. Is paranoid personality disorder a prerequisite for working at the
DWP? ;)
 
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Tim

Robbie said:
It sounds like it to me.
Technical point. She has never claimed benefits before and is waiting
for decision re incapacity.Therefore can not be 'fiddling' a benefit she
is yet to be in receipt of.

As far as i know the boyfriend is not 'live in' but may become so at a
future date hence the query re cohabitation.
 
M

mymail

Very rough rule of thumb we used to use, if the benefit claims are
seperate, bills are seperate, bank accounts are seperate and a
houseshare (or flatshare) agreement written up, then probably aren't a
couple for DWP purposes.
Thats what the local fraud team used anyway.
Good job we do not have your local fraud team round here then my two
friends are buying their house together the mortgage is in joint names
and although they have separate bank accounts their benefit payments
have always gone into a joint account with each taking a set amount
out each week and the rest is used for joint household expenses .
Mind you Martin both my friends have been long term sick for many
years and have had the continual harassment of filling in IB50 forms
and going for medicals etc .
Oh, and the benefit claimants have to state they aren't living as a
couple, or its all moot.
My friends never had to do this on the other hand they started
claiming at a time when if someone stated they where gay other people
thought how nice to see someone so happy :))))))))))and DWP people
thought the same or people being gay did not exist .
In my book being a senior citizen now that I am and I have always
thought the same anyhow a " couple"is a male and female, male and
male, or female and female living together are just friends and back
then DWP employees thought the same also .
 
M

mymail

So are these friends fiddling benefits at the moment rather than
declare what actually is?
So how do you I or anyone else PROVE that they are not what they say
they are they have separate bedrooms each goes his own way have their
own cars hardly ever go out together both have now got DLA with no
time limit . The one thing regarding benefits that I totally disagree
with is trollops like the female that lives next door to me being able
to claim child allowance for three mistakes each with separate
Fathers.
One mistake ok but two more afterwards never she and others like her
should never be allowed to claim child allowance for three nights of
mad passionate love with three different blokes .
 
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Robbie

Tim said:
Technical point. She has never claimed benefits before and is waiting
for decision re incapacity.Therefore can not be 'fiddling' a benefit she
is yet to be in receipt of.

As far as i know the boyfriend is not 'live in' but may become so at a
future date hence the query re cohabitation.
I was responding to the comments of a poster referring to the comments
made by another poster about a couple claiming to be separate but living
together. It wasn't about the case you asked about.

I answered the question you asked - I never mentioned anything about
fiddling in the answer I gave to you.

This is what happens when other posters jump in and just totally confuse
the issue and things go off at tangents.
 
T

Tim

Robbie said:
Tim wrote:
I answered the question you asked - I never mentioned anything about
fiddling in the answer I gave to you.

This is what happens when other posters jump in and just totally confuse
the issue and things go off at tangents.
Ok. I apologise.
 
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mart2306

In a house share many bills would be shared and in some respects two
house sharers can pass almost all the tests for a couple living together
if they share all the usual household bills, shop together, cook for
each other.

There are other things that are looked at too - I did literally dozens
of living together interviews when I was at the DWP and after a while I
got a feel for whether a couple were living together or not. Most of the
time it was pretty obvious anyway. But I never made the actual living
together decision - it was one decision that my boss had to make. In
fact it was the the only decision I wasn't allowed to make due to the
"sensitive nature" of the investigation the visiting officer wasn't
allowed to adjudicate. But my boss used to always ask me what I thought
before he ticked the relevant box (living together / not living
together)on the form...

Out of all the living together interviews I did only one decision was
appealed and the claimant lost that one at a tribunal.
LOL.
I always found it amusing that the supervisor making the decision
(because of sensitive nature of decisions) usually has to go on what
other people report anyway.
Can't recall any time in my office when a supervisor went against what
staff had written from the interview.

Martin <><
 
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mart2306

Good job we do not have your local fraud team round here then my two
friends are buying their house together the mortgage is in joint names
and although they have separate bank accounts their benefit payments
have always gone into a joint account with each taking a set amount
out each week and the rest is used for joint household expenses .
Mind you Martin both my friends have been long term sick for many
years and have had the continual harassment of filling in IB50 forms
and going for medicals etc .>Oh, and the benefit claimants have to state they aren't living as a

My friends never had to do this on the other hand they started
claiming at a time when if someone stated they where gay other people
thought how nice to see someone so happy :))))))))))and DWP people
thought the same or people being gay did not exist  .
In my book being a senior citizen now that I am and I have always
thought the same anyhow a " couple"is a male and female, male and
male, or female and female living together are just friends and back
then DWP employees thought the same also .
Times change. Now gay isn't such a bad word, makes no difference in
relationships as friends.
Now couples can be gay, bi or whatever. Without most people stoning
them. :)

Martin <><
 
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mart2306

So how do you I or anyone else PROVE that they are not what they say
they are they have separate bedrooms each goes his own way have their
own cars hardly ever go out together both have now got DLA with no
time limit . The one thing regarding benefits that I totally disagree
with is trollops like the female that lives next door to me being able
to claim child allowance for three mistakes each with separate
Fathers.
One mistake ok but two more afterwards never she and others like her
should never be allowed to claim child allowance for three nights of
mad passionate love with three different blokes .
So you blame the trollop for the children and want the children to
suffer?
Child benefit exists because of the child, regardless of your thinking
about the mother. Though if got 3 kids from 3 nights of sex then thats
just bad luck - many other people have many, many nights of sex per
child. :)
I'm just glad we don't have you making benefit decisions.

Martin <><
 

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