Income Support and Part-time Work


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Qwerty

Can anyone advise please?
I am a disabled person with a long term, permanent illness and get income support (also DLA lower rates).
I am thinking of doing some part-time work (graphic/web design - which is also my hobby/interest), maybe 2-4 hours
per week, from home, as and when I feel up to it. This would be very therapeutic for me too as I don't get to
communicate much with the outside world.

I have been told I can earn up to £20 per week without this affecting my benefit.
To do this work, I would have expenses for an internet connection and the software programs needed to do the design
work.
Are these expenses deductible from any money I earn?

Example situation:
The outlay to do the work, would be £13.00 per week on average (£52 per month), consisting of:
1. Internet connection cost is £20 per month/£5 per week.
2. The software I need to buy would be a 'web design program(s)' costing £390, expecting this to be sufficient for
1 year before having to upgrade/buy a new program (the software license would cover me for 1 year), so this would
be around £32 per month/£8 per week. I would probably have to get a loan/HP to pay for this.

If I earned £32 per week (£128 per month) but required the above outlay to be able to do any work at all, would I
need to have my benefit altered (i.e. pay back the difference on money received over the £20 allowed) as I would be
profiting only £19.00 per week after expenses?

How would I have to prove my earnings if I was given cash from someone for a job (the work would not be for an
employer, it would be similar to self employment)?
How would the DSS/DWP go about dealing with this situation (naturally I would have the receipts, bills etc. to show
them for any outlay)?

Thanks...

Qwerty
 
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Dave xxxx

Qwerty said:
Can anyone advise please?
I am a disabled person with a long term, permanent illness and get snip

If I earned £32 per week (£128 per month) but required the above
outlay to be able to do any work at all, would I need to have my
benefit altered (i.e. pay back the difference on money received over
the £20 allowed) as I would be profiting only £19.00 per week after
expenses?

How would I have to prove my earnings if I was given cash from
someone for a job (the work would not be for an employer, it would be
similar to self employment)?
How would the DSS/DWP go about dealing with this situation (naturally
I would have the receipts, bills etc. to show them for any outlay)?

Thanks...

Qwerty
If you get IB and want to work, they use to allow expenses but, there has
been changes, now its £20 but you do not have to tell them.

Once on long term IB your problem is you get income support they would look
at the total you get and reduce or stop your IS
by that amount.
They would not be bothered by expenses, everyone has them they would just
look at the facy you have £128 per month

Dave
 
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Martin Davies

Qwerty said:
Can anyone advise please?
I am a disabled person with a long term, permanent illness and get income
support (also DLA lower rates).
I am thinking of doing some part-time work (graphic/web design - which is
also my hobby/interest), maybe 2-4 hours
per week, from home, as and when I feel up to it. This would be very
therapeutic for me too as I don't get to
communicate much with the outside world.

I have been told I can earn up to £20 per week without this affecting my benefit.
To do this work, I would have expenses for an internet connection and the
software programs needed to do the design
work.
Are these expenses deductible from any money I earn?

Example situation:
The outlay to do the work, would be £13.00 per week on average (£52 per month), consisting of:
1. Internet connection cost is £20 per month/£5 per week.
2. The software I need to buy would be a 'web design program(s)' costing
£390, expecting this to be sufficient for
1 year before having to upgrade/buy a new program (the software license
would cover me for 1 year), so this would
be around £32 per month/£8 per week. I would probably have to get a loan/HP to pay for this.

If I earned £32 per week (£128 per month) but required the above outlay to
be able to do any work at all, would I
need to have my benefit altered (i.e. pay back the difference on money
received over the £20 allowed) as I would be
profiting only £19.00 per week after expenses?

How would I have to prove my earnings if I was given cash from someone for
a job (the work would not be for an
employer, it would be similar to self employment)?
How would the DSS/DWP go about dealing with this situation (naturally I
would have the receipts, bills etc. to show
them for any outlay)?

Thanks...

Qwerty
Hard to say.
Self employed income is gross turnover minus expenses. I've not heard of
someone being able to earn up to £20 and not affect income support - but
then again, its rare to hear of someone wanting to earn anything while on
that.
You would prove earnings when someone gives you cash the same way other
people do. Record how much you receive.
Its quite possible you could have turnover of £500 a month and not actually
show a profit. Depending on what your expenses are and how much.
A single very short ad in a free paper can run up a bill of £40 easily, just
for 1 week. Local evening rag can charge £25+ per night. Shop window ads can
be about 50p per week.

May be worth checking with the tax office about what can be claimed as well
as getting it in writing from income support about how they will treat
income, or profit.
Or come to think of it, whether it would be income support you qualify for.
Could be jobseekers allowance, could be come off income benefits altogether.
Worth checking either on here or with the relevant office on Monday - but
whatever the benefits office tells you, get it in writing. Saves some
problems later if they actually misadvise you.

Martin <><
 
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GK

Can anyone advise please?
I am a disabled person with a long term, permanent illness and get
income support (also DLA lower rates). I am thinking of doing some
part-time work (graphic/web design - which is also my hobby/interest),
maybe 2-4 hours per week, from home, as and when I feel up to it. This
would be very therapeutic for me too as I don't get to communicate
much with the outside world.

I have been told I can earn up to £20 per week without this affecting
my benefit. To do this work, I would have expenses for an internet
connection and the software programs needed to do the design work.
Are these expenses deductible from any money I earn?

Example situation:
The outlay to do the work, would be £13.00 per week on average (£52
per month), consisting of: 1. Internet connection cost is £20 per
month/£5 per week. 2. The software I need to buy would be a 'web
design program(s)' costing £390, expecting this to be sufficient for
1 year before having to upgrade/buy a new program (the software
license would cover me for 1 year), so this would be around £32 per
month/£8 per week. I would probably have to get a loan/HP to pay for
this.

If I earned £32 per week (£128 per month) but required the above
outlay to be able to do any work at all, would I need to have my
benefit altered (i.e. pay back the difference on money received over
the £20 allowed) as I would be profiting only £19.00 per week after
expenses?

How would I have to prove my earnings if I was given cash from someone
for a job (the work would not be for an employer, it would be similar
to self employment)? How would the DSS/DWP go about dealing with this
situation (naturally I would have the receipts, bills etc. to show
them for any outlay)?

Thanks...

Qwerty
As i understand it, theraputic work has to be on a doctor's advice, not of
your own idea. I could well be wrong, but it might be worth checking out
first.

GK
 
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Paul Bolton

As i understand it, theraputic work has to be on a doctor's advice, not of
your own idea. I could well be wrong, but it might be worth checking out
first.

GK
Work on incapacity benefit is no longer allowed as therapeutic work. It may
be allowed as something called "permitted work". But if you're on income
support, and maybe council tax benefit and housing benefit or income support
mortgage interest as well, you also have to observe the rules on earnings
for those benefits at the same time, or risk having them lost or removed.

I recommend you seek advice from a CAB, Welfare Rights Office or disability
organisation. Also have a look at www.nacab.org.uk and www.dwp.gov.uk.
 
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Clive Martin

Qwerty said:
Can anyone advise please?
I am a disabled person with a long term, permanent illness and get
income support (also DLA lower rates).
I am thinking of doing some part-time work (graphic/web design - which
is also my hobby/interest), maybe 2-4 hours
per week, from home, as and when I feel up to it. This would be very
therapeutic for me too as I don't get to
communicate much with the outside world.

I have been told I can earn up to £20 per week without this affecting
my benefit.
This is true. There is a disregard of the first £20 of earnings of
disabled people when getting any of incapacity benefit, income support,
housing and council tax benefit. So none of these will be affected.

You are supposed to tell the DWP before you start - but they cannot stop
you doing so nor will they.
To do this work, I would have expenses for an internet connection and
the software programs needed to do the design
work.
Are these expenses deductible from any money I earn?

Example situation:
The outlay to do the work, would be £13.00 per week on average (£52 per
month), consisting of:
1. Internet connection cost is £20 per month/£5 per week.
2. The software I need to buy would be a 'web design program(s)'
costing £390, expecting this to be sufficient for
1 year before having to upgrade/buy a new program (the software license
would cover me for 1 year), so this would
be around £32 per month/£8 per week. I would probably have to get a
loan/HP to pay for this.

If I earned £32 per week (£128 per month) but required the above outlay
to be able to do any work at all, would I
need to have my benefit altered (i.e. pay back the difference on money
received over the £20 allowed) as I would be
profiting only £19.00 per week after expenses?
I think this would work in practice. It's a bit unusual because the
examples usually given are of someone earning, say £10 an hour twice a
week, ie as an employee rather than self-employed. However, the limit
is on "earnings", and if you were defined as self-employed, as you would
be above, then your earnings are supposed to be calculated by averaging
them over a period, taking into account the business expenses you have
had.
How would I have to prove my earnings if I was given cash from someone
for a job (the work would not be for an
employer, it would be similar to self employment)?
This is just a business receipt, part of the income of your (very small)
small business as a self-employed person. If you put everything through
one bank account that you keep just for this that will give you the
details you would need to provide.
How would the DSS/DWP go about dealing with this situation (naturally I
would have the receipts, bills etc. to show
them for any outlay)?
I think they would check your details of your income and expenditure
over a reasonable period, that is, they should accept that doing it
weekly won't really work. I think you are on fairly solid ground and
you should just write to them outlining your plans.

Clive
 
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Qwerty

Thank you all for your comments and help.
I think I will get help from a law firm/CAB for presenting (writing down) the facts to them, as it could be taken
in so many different ways. Then see what they say about it.

Qwerty



| Can anyone advise please?
| I am a disabled person with a long term, permanent illness and get income support (also DLA lower rates).
| I am thinking of doing some part-time work (graphic/web design - which is also my hobby/interest), maybe 2-4
hours
| per week, from home, as and when I feel up to it. This would be very therapeutic for me too as I don't get to
| communicate much with the outside world.
|
| I have been told I can earn up to £20 per week without this affecting my benefit.
| To do this work, I would have expenses for an internet connection and the software programs needed to do the
design
| work.
| Are these expenses deductible from any money I earn?
|
| Example situation:
| The outlay to do the work, would be £13.00 per week on average (£52 per month), consisting of:
| 1. Internet connection cost is £20 per month/£5 per week.
| 2. The software I need to buy would be a 'web design program(s)' costing £390, expecting this to be sufficient
for
| 1 year before having to upgrade/buy a new program (the software license would cover me for 1 year), so this would
| be around £32 per month/£8 per week. I would probably have to get a loan/HP to pay for this.
|
| If I earned £32 per week (£128 per month) but required the above outlay to be able to do any work at all, would I
| need to have my benefit altered (i.e. pay back the difference on money received over the £20 allowed) as I would
be
| profiting only £19.00 per week after expenses?
|
| How would I have to prove my earnings if I was given cash from someone for a job (the work would not be for an
| employer, it would be similar to self employment)?
| How would the DSS/DWP go about dealing with this situation (naturally I would have the receipts, bills etc. to
show
| them for any outlay)?
|
| Thanks...
|
| Qwerty
|
|
 
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Martin Davies

Bill said:
Theraputic is the old term now - its now called permitted work and you don't
need input from your gp.

Bill
So something like a free paper round once a week for 2 - 3 hours would be
classed as OK?
 
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Bill

GK said:
As i understand it, theraputic work has to be on a doctor's advice, not of
your own idea. I could well be wrong, but it might be worth checking out
first.

GK
Theraputic is the old term now - its now called permitted work and you don't
need input from your gp.

Bill
 

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