Italians being flow in to take our jobs.


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Niteawk

I am amazed at what is happening here, how can the government allow
companies to fly in foreign workers to replace our workers.

From what I see of it, our workers are being treated like crap.

I think its about time we had a law to protect our jobs, or should we have
everyone who is from England sign on the dole and foreigners can have all
the jobs.

Mamma mia, whata da ****, you donna wanna da jobs.
 
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mart2306

I am amazed at what is happening here, how can the government allow
companies to fly in foreign workers to replace our workers.

From what I see of it, our workers are being treated like crap.

I think its about time we had a law to protect our jobs, or should we have
everyone who is from England sign on the dole and foreigners can have all
the jobs.

Mamma mia, whata da ****, you donna wanna da jobs.
Is this the one thats been on the news the past few days?

Hmmm...what would you say if the government limited who a company can
employ?
If they said 'You can't employ Niteawk, he's from the wrong country',
would you be angry at that?
Because thats basically what you are asking for.

Like it or not, any company in the EU can bid on tenders and employ
who they want to do that job, subject to security concerns. If the
contract didn't state a nationality requirement, the company can
employ Chinese for all the difference it makes.

There were several companies bidding for the contract, it was won by
an overseas company. Surely they can hire whatever staff they choose,
including bringing in some workers from their other projects?
Or do you expect British firms that win contracts abroad to use
nothing but local labour? Not use any British workers abroad at all.

Martin <><
 
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Blah

Niteawk said:
I am amazed at what is happening here, how can the government allow
companies to fly in foreign workers to replace our workers.

From what I see of it, our workers are being treated like crap.

I think its about time we had a law to protect our jobs, or should we have
everyone who is from England sign on the dole and foreigners can have all
the jobs.

Mamma mia, whata da ****, you donna wanna da jobs.
Tell the Polish to go home whilst your are at it...
 
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Mike

Niteawk said:
I am amazed at what is happening here, how can the government allow
companies to fly in foreign workers to replace our workers.

From what I see of it, our workers are being treated like crap.

I think its about time we had a law to protect our jobs, or should we have
everyone who is from England sign on the dole and foreigners can have all
the jobs.

Mamma mia, whata da ****, you donna wanna da jobs.
"...our workers", "...our jobs" ????

A serious topic but WTF do you care who pays the taxes to pay your benefits?

Mike
 
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Robbie

Niteawk said:
I am amazed at what is happening here, how can the government allow
companies to fly in foreign workers to replace our workers.

From what I see of it, our workers are being treated like crap.

I think its about time we had a law to protect our jobs, or should we have
everyone who is from England sign on the dole and foreigners can have all
the jobs.

Mamma mia, whata da ****, you donna wanna da jobs.
"Working on the site
From morning til night
That's livin' all right"

Didn't we do this to the Germans in the 80s? What was Auf Wiedersehen
Pet all about? It was set in Germany in 1982 / 1983 when unemployment
was rising in both the UK and West Germany...

Foreign workers didn't stop anyone finding a job last year or the year
before. Now it's just an excuse for some workers - or the unemployed -
to complain.
 
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mart2306

"Working on the site
 From morning til night
That's livin' all right"

Didn't we do this to the Germans in the 80s? What was Auf Wiedersehen
Pet all about? It was set in Germany in 1982 / 1983 when unemployment
was rising in both the UK and West Germany...

Foreign workers didn't stop anyone finding a job last year or the year
before. Now it's just an excuse for some workers - or the unemployed -
to complain.
Hmmm....if you were boss of the company with a contract to fulfil,
would you employ people who are willing to strike.....? :)

Martin <><
 
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Hiram

Robbie said:
Didn't we do this to the Germans in the 80s? What was Auf Wiedersehen
Pet all about? It was set in Germany in 1982 / 1983 when unemployment
was rising in both the UK and West Germany...
We did, but they needed the workers at the time. Not sure what the
unemployment rate in Germany was at the time, but it may not have been
6% like it is here.

In my view, UK workers should have *preference* to work in the UK, just
as German workers should have in Germany.
 
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Hiram

Hmmm....if you were boss of the company with a contract to fulfil,
would you employ people who are willing to strike.....? :)
I notice, although Total is a French company there weren't French
workers on site... I wonder why?
 
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mart2306

We did, but they needed the workers at the time.  Not sure what the
unemployment rate in Germany was at the time, but it may not have been
6% like it is here.

In my view, UK workers should have *preference* to work in the UK, just
as German workers should have in Germany.
Ok, that can be made to work. Its worked elsewhere for many years.
You just need to convince the government now. Oh, and get tender
contracts written so foreign companies doing jobs aren't exempt....
In the meantime, I've heard nothing to say what this particular
company in the NE is doing is illegal.

Martin <><
 
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Niteawk

Is this the one thats been on the news the past few days?

Hmmm...what would you say if the government limited who a company can
employ?
If they said 'You can't employ Niteawk, he's from the wrong country',
would you be angry at that?
Because thats basically what you are asking for.

No, I am not saying that. What I am saying is if I have a job then I should
not be made redundant for some foreigner to take it.

Like it or not, any company in the EU can bid on tenders and employ
who they want to do that job, subject to security concerns. If the
contract didn't state a nationality requirement, the company can
employ Chinese for all the difference it makes.

There were several companies bidding for the contract, it was won by
an overseas company. Surely they can hire whatever staff they choose,
including bringing in some workers from their other projects?
Or do you expect British firms that win contracts abroad to use
nothing but local labour? Not use any British workers abroad at all.
Thats all British firms use abroad, cheap local labour. Thats why they move
abroad in the first place. Its taking the piss to think we now have a
situation where they can bring in cheap labour to replace an existing
British work force.
As the Italians won this contract, dont bring them over here to use our
resources. Let them run it from their country, from their company with their
workers.

But thats another issue entirely, a lot of our services are now owned by
foreigners, we might as well all **** off out of it as we are no longer
needed, we have become surplus to requirements.
 
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Niteawk

Blah said:
Tell the Polish to go home whilst your are at it...
Idiot, they did not come here in place of an existing workforce and FYI most
of them have gone home.
 
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Niteawk

Mike said:
"...our workers", "...our jobs" ????

A serious topic but WTF do you care who pays the taxes to pay your
benefits?

Mike
No, but you lot seem to care that I am on the dole, why is that? There are
no jobs left for people like me, I am past caring. Its about time the JC/ND
brigade followed suit.
 
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Niteawk

Robbie said:
"Working on the site
From morning til night
That's livin' all right"

Didn't we do this to the Germans in the 80s? What was Auf Wiedersehen Pet
all about? It was set in Germany in 1982 / 1983 when unemployment was
rising in both the UK and West Germany...

Foreign workers didn't stop anyone finding a job last year or the year
before. Now it's just an excuse for some workers - or the unemployed - to
complain.
Its the last straw mate, sacking workers to replace them with foreigners,
thats the point here. Fair enough if they want to come over here to look for
work, thats fine. But to sack other workers, you cant seriously say that is
excusable.
 
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Niteawk

Hiram said:
We did, but they needed the workers at the time. Not sure what the
unemployment rate in Germany was at the time, but it may not have been 6%
like it is here.

In my view, UK workers should have *preference* to work in the UK, just as
German workers should have in Germany.
Quite right, the voice of reason. Not only that, they cant seriously justify
sacking a workforce to simply replace them with an identical one from
abroad.

Although we did work in Germany, helping to rebuild it, we were invited, or
should that be head hunted for our building skills which the Germans were
lacking at the time. As soon as the job was done, it was back home again.
 
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Robert Marshall

Its the last straw mate, sacking workers to replace them with
foreigners, thats the point here. Fair enough if they want to come
over here to look for work, thats fine. But to sack other workers, you
cant seriously say that is excusable.
Has anyone been sacked, in this instance, to replace them with these
Italian/Portuguese workers?

Robert
 
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mart2306

No, I am not saying that. What I am saying is if I have a job then I should
not be made redundant for some foreigner to take it.
Ok. But if your company loses a bid for a contract and has to make you
redundant while someone else in another company gets to keep or get a
job, thats OK.

Thats all British firms use abroad, cheap local labour.
Not always. Plenty send some of their own workforce out there.
Makes good business sense usually to use local labour if you can get
both the skills and price sorted. Though can also make sense to use
existing staff in the company that would perhaps otherwise get made
redundant.
And redundancy costs.

Thats why they move
abroad in the first place.
Glad you think so.
We have had many companies move abroad to Britain. Some of our larger
manufacturing concerns are from business moving abroad to Britain from
wherever.


Its taking the piss to think we now have a
situation where they can bring in cheap labour to replace an existing
British work force.
But they are a foreign company anyway. Why would they want to use the
British workforce?
Are we cheap? Are we dependable? Do we have the required skills? Do we
speak the right languages for the company?

As the Italians won this contract, dont bring them over here to use our
resources. Let them run it from their country, from their company with their
workers.
They could indeed do that. Unless the contract stated where the work
would be done - as is common when more than one contract is done for a
finished product.
As for using our resources, what resources are they using? Or are they
paying into the local economy in some way?
But thats another issue entirely, a lot of our services are now owned by
foreigners,
And we now own a lot of foreign services.
Its called investing.

You can of course stop foreigners owning things in Britain by buying
them yourself. Otherwise its up to the seller as to who they sell to.
Including the marketplace for anyone to buy.

we might as well all **** off out of it as we are no longer
needed, we have become surplus to requirements.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
You may consider yourself surplus to requirements if you wish. Doesn't
mean others are.

Martin <><
 
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mart2306

Quite right, the voice of reason. Not only that, they cant seriously justify
sacking a workforce to simply replace them with an identical one from
abroad.
Actually they can, if its contracts.
Just because someone is already doing the work doesn't mean the
company will get renewal of contract.
Cost tends to be a big issue, contracts often (not always though)
awarded to lowest bidder.

So company A loses the contract due to end of time or incompetence.
Company B takes on the contract and does the same work, with different
staff (or even some of the same if certain regulations apply).
Can be workers from abroad, can be workers from a neighbouring town.
Up to the company with the contract to fulfil it - with whatever
workforce. You, as a worker, get no say in the matter.
Although we did work in Germany, helping to rebuild it, we were invited, or
should that be head hunted for our building skills which the Germans were
lacking at the time. As soon as the job was done, it was back home again.
Which is common. Shortage of skills, invite people to work there, send
them home afterwards....
Saudi was quite good for that only a few years back. Iraq a little
less so....

Martin <><
 
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Robbie

Niteawk said:
Quite right, the voice of reason. Not only that, they cant seriously justify
sacking a workforce to simply replace them with an identical one from
abroad.

Although we did work in Germany, helping to rebuild it, we were invited, or
should that be head hunted for our building skills which the Germans were
lacking at the time. As soon as the job was done, it was back home again.
You're not in a position to know. The Brits are still working in
Germany. We are taking their jobs. Kick us back, eh?
 
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Niteawk

Robbie said:
You're not in a position to know. The Brits are still working in Germany.
We are taking their jobs. Kick us back, eh?
You seem to be trying to add some racist element into this. It will be a
cold day in hell before you see another country sack its own workers to
replace them with foreigners.

Of course if you think there is a racist element involved, you have only got
to look at what the Italians are doing here to find it.
 
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Niteawk

Robert Marshall said:
Has anyone been sacked, in this instance, to replace them with these
Italian/Portuguese workers?
From the Sunday Express. "They claim that skilled local men are being laid
off and replaced with cheap labour from abroad.

The giant accommodation barge, moored in Grimsby docks, will house hundreds
of Italian migrants.

A second barge is expected at the Humberside port next week".
 

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