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r.bartlett

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Giving an invoice proves you are a subcontractor Tim, if you weren't
drinking so heavily you'd have realised that for yourself!
Yes but how many invoices would make a subbie 'dependant' ?

Cheers

Richard
 
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Doug Ramage

r.bartlett said:
Why thank you Mr Troy ;-)

But let me re-adjust the question

At what point would the IR reclassify him as an employee in order to
fine/imprison us....??

Cheers (no water in mine BTW;-))

Richard
Possibly, from the start (if within the last 6 years), or from when a change
in the performance of the duties occurred.

I have known businesses go bankrupt when the IR have gone back 6 years to
apply "missing" PAYE and NI plus interest and penalties (up to 100% of the
unpaid tax). What starts out as a (relatively) insignificant sum can
escalate into £000s.
 
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Tim

Following on -at what point does a
invoice"?

"Troy Steadman" wrote
Giving an invoice proves you are a subcontractor Tim, if you
weren't drinking so heavily you'd have realised that for yourself!
Read what I wrote again, and this time think about it carefully.

Giving an invoice happens at a particular instant in time, and that instant
isn't too difficult to determine.
But Doobie was talking about *not* giving an invoice.
So - at what *particular* "moment" does " *not* giving an invoice " happen?
 
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Troy Steadman

Tim said:
Read what I wrote again, and this time think about it carefully.
I was being ironical Tim, sorry. Doobie's statement was so foolish (even
by his standards!) that I didn't think my endorsing it could be taken
seriously :(

Simon's "Ready Mixed Concrete" post further up the thread said it all.


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Troy Steadman

Doug Ramage said:
IMHO, that does not automatically follow.
No Doug, my irony misfired spectacularly. I suppose it is an indicator
but low down the list after:

1) Can he organise his own timekeeping?
2) Can he substitute another person for himself?
3) Does he use his own tools and van?
4) Does he risk his own capital?
5) Is he paid uneven amounts at uneven intervals?
6) Have the IR confirmed his self-employment?

....and so on. That's the last time (until the next time) I risk
emoticon-less irony!



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