Lottery Fraud nay Theft


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Stupid more like. He thought Camelot were going to just hand him millions
of pounds without checking if he was the genuine ticket holder?
 
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tim.....

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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to
remove their right to sell lottery ticket

How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't enter
in to such a simple criminal act.

tim
 
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anonymous

tim..... said:
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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to
remove their right to sell lottery ticket

How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't
enter in to such a simple criminal act.

tim
Agreed. A lot of elderly folk enjoy playing the lottery, but can't if
the shops within walking distance don't sell tickets.

There's a large sheltered housing estate near me, and there hasn't been
a lottery terminal within walking distance since nulab closed the local
post office. The local newsagent has applied for a terminal, but Camelot
keep telling him to apply again in six months time. He now has a Health
Lottery terminal and many of the old folks play that instead.

Adrian
 
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AlanG

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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to
remove their right to sell lottery ticket

How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't enter
in to such a simple criminal act.
They hired him. Up to them to ensure supervision.

On a similar note my wife bought a scratchcard with her change and
popped it in her purse. She took it out the next day and checked it
and found she appeared to have won £30. Took it to Sainsbury 7-11
round the corner where the manager told her it wasn't a winner. Fair
enough he handed it back so it looks like he just couldn't be arsed to
go through the procedure of registering the win and paying out.

Wife is not totally stupid anyway so she took it back to Asda a couple
of days later and got her pay out with no problems
 
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tim.....

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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to
remove their right to sell lottery ticket

How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't
enter
in to such a simple criminal act.

They hired him. Up to them to ensure supervision.
Oh come on.

You can't have someone standing over every single minimum wage employee all
day to make sure that they don't do something criminal. This idea is
ridiculous. If you have to do this you might just as well not have the
employee at all and only employ the supervisor.

tim
 
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Cassandra

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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to
remove their right to sell lottery ticket

How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't enter
in to such a simple criminal act.
Not employing Pakis from Oldham is a good start
 
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AndyW

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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to
remove their right to sell lottery ticket

How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't
enter in to such a simple criminal act.
It is the same thing as a shop being fined/having alcohol license
removed because a shop worker sold to under-age people.
Shops are held accountable for the actions of their staff.

Andy
 
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tim.....

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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to
remove their right to sell lottery ticket

How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't
enter in to such a simple criminal act.
It is the same thing as a shop being fined/having alcohol license
removed because a shop worker sold to under-age people.
Shops are held accountable for the actions of their staff.

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There is no immediate advantage to the staff to break these laws so it seems
reasonable to conclude that if they do so it is because of lack of
motivation from above to follow the rules (or even encouragement not to).

I think this is entirely different from being expected to "manage" your
staff members not to commit a serious crime for their personal benefit
whilst at work one day.

tim
 
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Cynic

It is the same thing as a shop being fined/having alcohol license
removed because a shop worker sold to under-age people.
Shops are held accountable for the actions of their staff.

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There is no immediate advantage to the staff to break these laws so it seems
reasonable to conclude that if they do so it is because of lack of
motivation from above to follow the rules (or even encouragement not to).
Shop staff can have all sorts of possible personal motivations to
break those laws.
 
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peterwn

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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to
remove their right to sell lottery ticket

How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't enter
in to such a simple criminal act.
The BBC item indicated that the shop was 'suspended' pending an
investigation. This seems reasonable to maintain public confidence in
the lottery. Presumably the lottery operator wants to check that the
owners are operating the lottery franchise correctly and that staff
with access to the lottery terminal are properly vetted, trained and
authorised.

If there are shortcomings on the owner's part which contributed to the
incident or if there were serious or frequent breaches of operating
rules, then contract termination would be in accordance with the
franchise contract and would be quite appropriate.

The employee was a total idiot for assuming that all tickets presented
for checking were purchased there.

Camelot could improve security by providing a customer accessible
scanner for checking tickets.
 
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anonymous

peterwn said:
The BBC item indicated that the shop was 'suspended' pending an
investigation. This seems reasonable to maintain public confidence in
the lottery. Presumably the lottery operator wants to check that the
owners are operating the lottery franchise correctly and that staff
with access to the lottery terminal are properly vetted, trained and
authorised.

If there are shortcomings on the owner's part which contributed to the
incident or if there were serious or frequent breaches of operating
rules, then contract termination would be in accordance with the
franchise contract and would be quite appropriate.

The employee was a total idiot for assuming that all tickets presented
for checking were purchased there.

Camelot could improve security by providing a customer accessible
scanner for checking tickets.
In another forum I suggested it was only common sense to make some sort
of customer-audible alert when a winning ticket is scanned and if it is
worth a significant amount, Camelot alerted directly.

Someone from Canada replied that those are standard features of their
lottery terminals.

Adrian
 
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anonymous said:
In another forum I suggested it was only common sense to make some
sort of customer-audible alert when a winning ticket is scanned and
if it is worth a significant amount, Camelot alerted directly.

Someone from Canada replied that those are standard features of their
lottery terminals.

Adrian
Seems a sensible idea Adrian.
 
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peterwn

In another forum I suggested it was only common sense to make some sort
of customer-audible alert when a winning ticket is scanned and if it is
worth a significant amount, Camelot alerted directly.

Someone from Canada replied that those are standard features of their
lottery terminals.
In New Zealand the lotto terminal locks up if a ticket winning a major
prize (ie too big for the agent to pay out) is presented. It is
released once the lotto agent has conferred with 'head office.' The
agent can either accept a payout application on behalf of the winner,
or can 'register' the ticket (in case it is subsequrently lost) and
hand it back for the winner to take it to 'head office'.
 
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David Woolley

peterwn said:
In New Zealand the lotto terminal locks up if a ticket winning a major
prize (ie too big for the agent to pay out) is presented. It is
released once the lotto agent has conferred with 'head office.' The
agent can either accept a payout application on behalf of the winner,
or can 'register' the ticket (in case it is subsequrently lost) and
hand it back for the winner to take it to 'head office'.
How does that prevent fraud? The agent accepts on behalf of the victim
and then collects the money themselves.
 
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tim.....

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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to
remove their right to sell lottery ticket

How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't
enter
in to such a simple criminal act.
The BBC item indicated that the shop was 'suspended' pending an
investigation. This seems reasonable to maintain public confidence in
the lottery. Presumably the lottery operator wants to check that the
owners are operating the lottery franchise correctly and that staff
with access to the lottery terminal are properly vetted, trained and
authorised.

If there are shortcomings on the owner's part which contributed to the
incident or if there were serious or frequent breaches of operating
rules, then contract termination would be in accordance with the
franchise contract and would be quite appropriate.

The employee was a total idiot for assuming that all tickets presented
for checking were purchased there.

Camelot could improve security by providing a customer accessible
scanner for checking tickets.

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Better still they could modify their scanner equipment so that it prints
"WINNER" across winning tickets

tim
 
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peterwn

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The BBC item indicated that the shop was 'suspended' pending an
investigation. This seems reasonable to maintain public confidence in
the lottery. Presumably the lottery operator wants to check that the
owners are operating the lottery franchise correctly and that staff
with access to the lottery terminal are properly vetted, trained and
authorised.

If there are shortcomings on the owner's part which contributed to the
incident or if there were serious or frequent breaches of operating
rules, then contract termination would be in accordance with the
franchise contract and would be quite appropriate.

The employee was a total idiot for assuming that all tickets presented
for checking were purchased there.

Camelot could improve security by providing a customer accessible
scanner for checking tickets.
Would not work if bar coded ticket merely held under a scanner head.
Putting such a scanner on the customer side or having the display
visible to the customer would stop that sort of racket.
 
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David Woolley

tim..... said:
Better still they could modify their scanner equipment so that it prints
"WINNER" across winning tickets

W H Smith now print tickets on ordinary till rolls. I haven't had a win
on one of those (I use a web site to check the numbers), but I doubt
they are physically transported through the lottery terminal, when being
checked.

Also, in this case, the shop assistant could look at the ticket and say:
sorry, no win, I'll throw it in the bin for you.
 
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Turk182

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I agree, but unless he actually owned the store it seems a bit unfair to
remove their right to sell lottery ticket

How on earth is a company supposed to make sure that their staff don't enter
in to such a simple criminal act.

tim
Easy.. Camelot should provide EVERY winner witha receipt to showe how
much they have won.

They don't, so the shoip is free to steal deom £5 ro 5,000,000
whenever they want to chance it. The big prize fraud will get found
out straight away, most small prize theft will go undetected.

A corner shop can make £5000 per annum easily by stealing the small
prizes, thanks to Camelot's lack of care of the customer.

Turk182
 

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