"Occupation" on form 1040


R

Rick Merrill

I have used Grandma, for one client, civil servant for
another, and employee for many clients.
"employee"? That's not very creative, unless he or she is
truly a general purpose gofer or general factotum or
renaissance man/woman.
 
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F

Frederick Jorden

So what about on Schedule C - can you leave that one blank
too?
No it is part of the substantiation of the deductions on the
C. or F.
 
H

Harlan Lunsford

So what about on Schedule C - can you leave that one blank
too?
Leave what blank on the schedule c? There's no place for
"occupation" thereon. Only for type of business.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
Sun 20 Mar 2005
 
D

D. Stussy

So what about on Schedule C - can you leave that one blank
too?
Not really. It also has that 6-digit code that indicates
the profession - and that IS stored data.
 
F

Frederick Jorden

On a related subject then, many and various tax forms ask for
a "title" when the preparer signs the form. I use different ones,
such as "chief", "czar", "head(man)", whatever comes to mind.
Just today signing a city property tax return I used "Prince".
Oh; need to remember to use "Sir" next time. right.
The on I like is El Jeffe!
 
G

Gene E. Utterback, EA

Yes, Dick I sure do have a cite. Have you ever seen a W2
for a homemaker? Or ever seen a schedule C or C-EZ, much
less a schedule se for such? I thought not. Therefore,
it's not earned income.

Agree with Frederick of course.
Moderator:
So Harlan, mi amigo, when you agree with Frederick, how do
you accept mother or homemaker as noble professionals to
be entered as occupations.

Oh by the way, my brother had a client who wanted to enter
"Spy" as his occupation. <G> I suggested he refuse to do
that, but tell the client that "Unpaid Sex Slave" would be
less likely to trigger an audit.
Harlan, your reference to a W-2 is NOT a cite. Cite being
short for citation, i.e.. a reference to legal authority -
like a code section or revenue ruling.

And while we're at it - I have seen W-2s for homemakers - I
have several single male clients who employ full-time
homemakers to take care of the business of running their
households. One of them even pays for her to be there as
his hostess at parties and she frequently accompanies him on
business trips and dinner meetings. And this is strictly a
professional relationship, specifically there is no hanky
panky going on that anyone I know of knows about. She has
separate sleeping quarters in the house and they are not
involved romantically, it is purely a business relationship.

Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC
 
H

Harlan Lunsford

I have used Grandma, for one client, civil servant for
"employee"? That's not very creative, unless he or she is
truly a general purpose gofer or general factotum or
renaissance man/woman.
"Factotum"! I LOVE it, and must remember that one.

Always makes me think of Robert Merrill singing that aria
from.. Barber of SEville I think. "Largo al factotum della citta."

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
 
H

Harlan Lunsford

Leave the space blank. "retired" or "housewife" is not an
Yes, Dick I sure do have a cite. Have you ever seen a W2
for a homemaker? Or ever seen a schedule C or C-EZ, much
less a schedule se for such? I thought not. Therefore,
it's not earned income.

Agree with Frederick of course.
Moderator:
So Harlan, mi amigo, when you agree with Frederick, how do
you accept mother or homemaker as noble professionals to
be entered as occupations.
Au contraire, mon ami. Was only agreeing with Frederick as
to the nobility of motherhood and not as a recognized
occupation.
Oh by the way, my brother had a client who wanted to enter
"Spy" as his occupation. <G> I suggested he refuse to do
that, but tell the client that "Unpaid Sex Slave" would be
less likely to trigger an audit.
Well, I've never been the latter, however when the former,
I had a bunch of unreimbused exployee business expenses
which weren't deductible cause back then I didn't itemize
deductions. Of course we were forbidden to list that as
our occupation. But now the Cold War is over and I can now
confess.

ChEAr$,
Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA
 
F

Frederick Jorden

Not really. It also has that 6-digit code that indicates
the profession - and that IS stored data.
How many taxpayers can figure out with is the right code for
them?
 
H

Harlan Lunsford

(snipped

Harlan, your reference to a W-2 is NOT a cite. Cite being
short for citation, i.e.. a reference to legal authority -
like a code section or revenue ruling.
Gene, let the record show, I do know what a (real) "cite" is
by now.
And while we're at it - I have seen W-2s for homemakers - I
have several single male clients who employ full-time
homemakers to take care of the business of running their
households. One of them even pays for her to be there as
his hostess at parties and she frequently accompanies him on
business trips and dinner meetings. And this is strictly a
professional relationship, specifically there is no hanky
panky going on that anyone I know of knows about. She has
separate sleeping quarters in the house and they are not
involved romantically, it is purely a business relationship.
And I was speaking of never having seen a W2 for one's
spouse of course.

C$,
HL
 
M

MTW

Frederick said:
How many taxpayers can figure out with is the right code for
them?
Or, for that matter, how many tax preparers can figure out
which is the right code for their clients? I've been tempted
to put down 999999 for everyone and see what happens.

MTW
 
P

Phil Marti

MTW said:
Or, for that matter, how many tax preparers can figure out
which is the right code for their clients? I've been tempted
to put down 999999 for everyone and see what happens.
"Other" is what I always look for first when confronted by a
list that shows the organization of my bedroom floor.
 
T

Thomas Healy

The April 11 issue of Forbes has several articles on tax
dodges, including "Leaky Shelters" that profiles Gary
Kornman's scams. I think it's well-researched.
 
T

TaxSrv

MTW said:
Or, for that matter, how many tax preparers can figure out
which is the right code for their clients? I've been tempted
to put down 999999 for everyone and see what happens.
This code is of limited use to IRS on 1040s, but this data
and associated summary return $$ data is collected and sold
to outsiders on very expensive CDs. No t/p identifying
return data course. It's thus also available also to gov't
at all levels, who find it useful to make decisions which
they think will help us and just might do that. Even the
direct marketing industry might find it useful to better
target geographic areas, reducing the volume of junk
marketing we must endure...maybe? :)

Fred F.
 
V

Victor Roberts

TaxSrv said:
This code is of limited use to IRS on 1040s, but this data
and associated summary return $$ data is collected and sold
to outsiders on very expensive CDs. No t/p identifying
return data course. It's thus also available also to gov't
at all levels, who find it useful to make decisions which
they think will help us and just might do that. Even the
direct marketing industry might find it useful to better
target geographic areas, reducing the volume of junk
marketing we must endure...maybe? :)
Or increasing the volume, since companies that can't afford
to target the whole country now know who to target. The
government should not be selling any data I give them with
my tax return to private companies.
 
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D. Stussy

Thomas said:
The April 11 issue of Forbes has several articles on tax
dodges, including "Leaky Shelters" that profiles Gary
Kornman's scams. I think it's well-researched.
I must disagree. The writers at Forbes don't research
anything. I had a case written up last year in their
magazine and they got it completely wrong. If I had
followed their staff writer's (Bill Barrett's) suggestion,
I'd be in prison now. His statements about the facts of my
case are in complete contradiction with what the Tax Court
record actually shows.

You don't take advice from your bank too?
 

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