only new messages here?, etc.


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ellen

Hello. When I downloaded messages from this newsgroup with my laptop
today, there were only messages from yesterday & today even though the
last time I downloaded messages from here was a few weeks ago. Do you
know why earlier messages aren't available?

Also, what's the function of the file Q3.DIR in Quicken 2002? Its
filedate changes after I get out of Quicken but when I do backups,
it's not backed up with the other 4 files.

And, when I do reconciliations lately, Quicken has been showing an
error message saying there were previous reconcilation errors. In 2
of the cases, the problem is that the date it lists as the statement
ending date is off by a few days. Since you never actually enter the
statement ending date while doing a reconciliation, how does Quicken
decide what that date is?

I've been reluctant to let it "fix" the "error" by a "smart
reconciliation" since I'm not sure what that entails.

TIA,
Ellen
 
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John Pollard

ellen said:
Hello. When I downloaded messages from this newsgroup with my
laptop today, there were only messages from yesterday & today
even though the last time I downloaded messages from here was a
few weeks ago. Do you know why earlier messages aren't
available?
I suspect this is a function of either your ISP not retaining
posts long enough (check with them for their rules on this), or
your newsreader options not downloading enough posts or
automatically deleting posts too soon.
Also, what's the function of the file Q3.DIR in Quicken 2002?
Its filedate changes after I get out of Quicken but when I do
backups, it's not backed up with the other 4 files.
I do not believe anyone knows what the function of this file is,
but it is not necessary to back it up (it is created by a
Quicken backup), it is not even necessary to keep it.
And, when I do reconciliations lately, Quicken has been showing
an error message saying there were previous reconcilation
errors. In 2 of the cases, the problem is that the date it
lists as the statement ending date is off by a few days. Since
you never actually enter the statement ending date while doing
a reconciliation, how does Quicken decide what that date is?
I do not think that the actual date has anything to do with it.
Each reconcile is a separate entity with all its associated
transactions and balances, associated with a date for
identification purposes. When Quicken believes that one or more
of those reconciliations is no longer correct, it notifies you
and one of the following options is to "Resolve" the problem.
Take that option, note which of the reconciliations is incorrect
and redo them.
I've been reluctant to let it "fix" the "error" by a "smart
reconciliation" since I'm not sure what that entails.
If you have already reconciled all previous transactions in the
account, I do not see any reason to let Quicken fix anything for
you either - Quicken would just add some adjustment entry ... if
you already have the correct transactions in the register, this
would create an error (even if it caused the statement to
"balance"); and if the transactions in the register were not
already correct, Quicken's adjustment would hardly be likely to
be correct either. Just re-reconcile any statements that
Quicken *thinks* are wrong.
 
E

Ellen

John,

Thanks for your replies.

I suspect this is a function of either your ISP not retaining
posts long enough (check with them for their rules on this), or
your newsreader options not downloading enough posts or
automatically deleting posts too soon.
I don't have this problem with other newsgroups & before this
occurred, I didn't have the problem with this newsgroup. The error
probably isn't with the newsreader since this happened with both
Mozilla & Agent. I haven't downloaded messages in the last several
days & the same thing is happening again wih both programs- there are
no messages between June 29 & July 6. If you don't download messages
from here for more than 2 days (if that ever happens), do you see
messages from the prior 3 days or do you only see the past 2 days?
If you do see messages from the prior 3 days, it appears that my ISP
is only saving messages for 2 days for Quicken. That doesn't make
sense though since it saves messages from other newsgroups with a
similar level of activity for at least several days.
I do not believe anyone knows what the function of this file is,
but it is not necessary to back it up (it is created by a
Quicken backup), it is not even necessary to keep it.
Thanks for that info. I noticed that Q3.DIR is saved in the Quicken
folder instead of in the folder which is used for backups.
If you have already reconciled all previous transactions in the
account, I do not see any reason to let Quicken fix anything for
you either - Quicken would just add some adjustment entry
That's what I was concerned about. Thanks for your answers.

Ellen
 
T

The Michael

You may want to check your reader settings for the group to make sure you are not
just downloading 200 headers max.
 
J

John Pollard

Ellen said:
John,

Thanks for your replies.
I don't have this problem with other newsgroups & before this
occurred, I didn't have the problem with this newsgroup. The
error probably isn't with the newsreader since this happened
with both Mozilla & Agent.
If the newsreader were responsible, I would not call it an
"error"; just one or more settings not correct for your desires.
I haven't downloaded messages in
the last several days & the same thing is happening again wih
both programs- there are no messages between June 29 & July 6.
If you don't download messages from here for more than 2 days
(if that ever happens), do you see messages from the prior 3
days or do you only see the past 2 days?
Whew, I can't really give you a decent answer for that. First,
I download nearly every day and don't remember what happens if I
have skipped a day. Secondly, I probably would not have the
patience to determine the exact number of days between my
downloads or the posts that had downloaded.

I can tell you that when I read some of the posts in my isp's
support newsgroup, there is a strong indication that not all
newsgroups are treated equally; some groups posts are saved
longer than others ... though a group like this should probably
be on the high side of days saved. And probably not significant
in your particular case since you say you have not had the
problem before. Then again, maybe your isp has a problem or
perhaps they changed their policy for retention (though I can't
understand why they would not save posts for even 24 hours).

I can not think of any other possible source of your problem
besides the isp or the settings in your newsreader; perhaps
others, more versed in the subject, can offer better insights.

Bottom line (for me): I am not aware that I have missed any days
of posts in a long time (if at all).
If you do see messages
from the prior 3 days, it appears that my ISP is only saving
messages for 2 days for Quicken. That doesn't make sense though
since it saves messages from other newsgroups with a similar
level of activity for at least several days.


Thanks for that info. I noticed that Q3.DIR is saved in the
Quicken folder instead of in the folder which is used for
backups.
It is saved in the folder you "Start In"; right click the icon
you use to start Quicken and see the "Start In" box under
"Properties". If that box is empty, q3 is saved on the desktop,
otherwise in the named "Start In" folder.
 
J

Jim Craig

I was also dissatisfied with the short retention of my newserver. Switched
to News.Individual.Net - now for instance if I view all messages, I have
1962
messages going back to about May 1 for this newsgroup.
Takes about a week to sign up but its worth it (free).
Go to http://news.individual.net/

Jim
 
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Ellen

John,

John,
You were right about the problem being my ISP. Either it's not
retaining posts long enough or it isn't saving many of them for this
newsgroup. I have another ISP which I've never used for newsgroups. I
reset my newsreader to use it for thisnewsgroup & it downloaded 3090
messages!
It is saved in the folder you "Start In"; right click the icon
you use to start Quicken and see the "Start In" box under
"Properties". If that box is empty, q3 is saved on the desktop,
otherwise in the named "Start In" folder.
Since q3.dir isn't backed up, is it correct to assume that if you
need to reinstall Quicken & you use your backed up data with the
program, there won't be a problem that you don't have the latest
version of the q3.dir file? Or, would it be a good idea to manually
backup the q3.dir file when you do Quicken backups?

And, going back to this:
If you have already reconciled all previous transactions in the
account, I do not see any reason to let Quicken fix anything for
you either - Quicken would just add some adjustment entry
Is there any way for me to get Quicken to stop giving me an error
message whenever I try to reconcile 1 of my accounts? It start with an
error message which has a title bar saying "Prior Statements". The
first sentence says "Listed below are all the statements which Quicken
has recorded for this account showing the ending balance from the bank
statement, the ending balance calculated from the cleared transactions
in your register, and the difference between the two."

The bottom of that error message shows the statement ending date, the
statement ending balance, the register ending balance, the
discrepancy this statement, & the cumulative discrepancy.
Even if the date has nothing to do with the error message, where do
you think Quicken gets the "statement ending date" from? In a few
cases, it's wrong; in one case it's off by more than 2 weeks.

TIA,
Ellen
 
E

Ellen

Mike,

Thanks for your reply. It turns out the problem was the ISP.

Ellen
 
E

Ellen

Jim,

Thanks for your suggestion. The first rule mentioned at that site
under " Sender Address" is
The e-mail addresses given in "From:", "Reply-To:", and "Sender:" should be your own and should be valid (= should not bounce > because of invalidity).
Considering the domain name you're using, it looks like so far you
haven't had a problem with that <g>, but do you know if they ever
terminate accounts for having invalid email addresses?

TIA,
Ellen
 
J

John Pollard

You were right about the problem being my ISP. Either it's not
retaining posts long enough or it isn't saving many of them for
this newsgroup. I have another ISP which I've never used for
newsgroups. I reset my newsreader to use it for thisnewsgroup &
it downloaded 3090 messages!
Since q3.dir isn't backed up, is it correct to assume that if
you need to reinstall Quicken & you use your backed up data
with the program, there won't be a problem that you don't have
the latest version of the q3.dir file? Or, would it be a good
idea to manually backup the q3.dir file when you do Quicken
backups?
I doubt seriously that this would be a problem; I would (and do)
ignore the q3.dir file.
And, going back to this:
Is there any way for me to get Quicken to stop giving me an
error message whenever I try to reconcile 1 of my accounts? It
start with an error message which has a title bar saying "Prior
Statements". The first sentence says "Listed below are all the
statements which Quicken has recorded for this account showing
the ending balance from the bank statement, the ending balance
calculated from the cleared transactions in your register, and
the difference between the two."
I believe you need to re-reconcile the statements with the
discrepancies (and possible all subsequent ones as well). If
your Quicken transactions are correct/complete, this should be a
fairly simple exercise. And I believe you could treat all the
affected previously reconciled transactions as belonging to a
single statement (by deleting the statements needing
re-reconciling first) when you re-reconcile, which should make
the process easier.
The bottom of that error message shows the statement ending
date, the statement ending balance, the register ending
balance, the discrepancy this statement, & the cumulative
discrepancy.
Even if the date has nothing to do with the error message,
where do you think Quicken gets the "statement ending date"
from? In a few cases, it's wrong; in one case it's off by more
than 2 weeks.
I do not think the date is important; from my observations, when
Quicken does not offer you the option of entering a statement
date directly, it uses the date of the newest transaction in the
reconcile as the "statement date". So far, I have yet to see
any problems arising from that.
 
J

Jim Craig

Ellen - I've had the account since 5/10 and have had no problems. Of course,
when I signed up I gave them my correct address, but as far as the address
for posting, it's always been - I think the term is - "munged".

Jim

Ellen said:
Jim,

Thanks for your suggestion. The first rule mentioned at that site
under " Sender Address" is
be your own and should be valid (= should not bounce > because of
invalidity).
 
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Ellen

John,

Thanks for your replies.

And I believe you could treat all the
affected previously reconciled transactions as belonging to a
single statement (by deleting the statements needing
re-reconciling first) when you re-reconcile, which should make
the process easier.
Where would I delete the statements from?
I do not think the date is important; from my observations, when
Quicken does not offer you the option of entering a statement
date directly, it uses the date of the newest transaction in the
reconcile as the "statement date".
Speaking of dates, for any of my accounts, the date listed as the
date the account was last reconciled is inaccurate. It also doesn't
seem to relate to any of the reconciled transactions. I've noticed
that Quicken seems to have picked a date for the last date for each
account & then after I've done a reconciliation, it rolls it forward
by exactly a month. Do you know if this is common?

TIA,
Ellen
 
J

John Pollard

Ellen said:
Where would I delete the statements from?
When you tell Quicken you want to "resolve" the discrepancy, you
then see a list of statements: right click the one(s) you want
to delete, then click "delete statement".
Speaking of dates, for any of my accounts, the date listed as
the date the account was last reconciled is inaccurate. It also
doesn't seem to relate to any of the reconciled transactions.
I've noticed that Quicken seems to have picked a date for the
last date for each account & then after I've done a
reconciliation, it rolls it forward by exactly a month. Do you
know if this is common?
No, I don't; I pay virtually no attention to those dates.
 
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Ellen

John,

I was looking in Google Groups at old messages about this
reconciliation error. Someone had suggested KB #7010. I tried the
suggestions & they worked! For anyone else with this problem, you can
find the instructions for fixing this error here:
http://www.intuit.com/support/quicken/2002/win/7010.html . For other
versions of Quicken, the instructions are the same if you change the
year in the URL.
When you tell Quicken you want to "resolve" the discrepancy, you
then see a list of statements: right click the one(s) you want
to delete, then click "delete statement".
Thanks for the info.

Gail
 

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