payroll functionality


M

Mike Lawrence

I got SBA after using PeachTree for the past three years hoping for a more
reliable and less error-prone solution.

One *major* weakness with SBA is the total lack of payroll support unless
you want to spend more money on top of the $400 (after rebate) you spend on
SBA upgrade.

This is just wrong. It is clear the M$ is more interested in promoting ADP
and letting me foot the bill than providing me with a complete product.
Since SBA is set up to accept ADP date and give you "additional reports" that
are available when you sign up for ADP, it's clear the ability to put in some
basic manual payroll functionality is in there somewhere.

On top of that, they've made it nearly impossible to work around. I set up
a bunch of individual accounts to handle payroll hoping I could then cut a
report for my employee payroll statements. Nope, you only get to add 5
accounts to a report. It's almost as if you really don't want me to do my
own payroll.

Look, a lot of businesses who buy this product simply do not need or cannot
afford ADP. I have two employees. There is no reason for me to use ADP.
SBA should include the following minimal payroll abilities. Until it does,
it is an incomplete product:

1. Payroll fields for each employee. This includes their wages, various
taxes and other witholding as well as reimbursed expenses, advances and such.
These fields are then linked to the appropriate master account in the main
chart of accounts.

2. Payroll statement reports for each employee. The law requires this so
it's a very fundamental payroll function. This report needs to show the
cumulative summary for the amounts accumulated in the employee accounts in 1.
above.

3. A paycheck entry form so we can cut a paycheck in one shot and the
employee's payroll information is updated on the spot and provides a payroll
voucher as described in 2. above.

It would be *nice* to be able to manually enter tax witholding rates and
have the paycheck form calculate the amounts to withold accordingly, but it
isn't fundamentally necessary. (The other items I described are.)

If I had spend $50 instead of $400 for an upgrade to my Office 2002 suite, I
would say SBA is a decent value. But at such a high price, it really does
need to be complete. Which means we should not be tied down to your
strategic marketing deal with ADP.

I would really feel a lot better as a customer if you gave me the tools to
do my own payroll in SBA. As it is, I'm honestly not sure it's worth
changing over from Peachtree because of this one specific problem.


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Chris Schatte

Hi Mike Lawrence,
There is a manual payroll function included in SP1. for SBA, but if you
calculate the cost of ADP payroll vs manually running your payroll or paying
for yearly updates to tax tables like QB, the ADP option over a fiscal year
period pays for itself. IMO
Actually for the approx 400.00 spent you upgraded your Office suite and
gained SBA, also you added functionality and integration with other Office
products...
 
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Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage

Hi Mike,
I understand what you mean. try the upgrade that was mentioned in your
other message from Chris, but I just want to point out something that you
may be overlooking.
below you wrote:
"> If I had spend $50 instead of $400 for an upgrade to my Office 2002
suite, I
would say SBA is a decent value. But at such a high price, it really does
need to be complete."
I agree with what you're saying but since your entire office suite is now
upgraded you absolutely should make use of the BCM add-in for Outlook.

I'm using the software myself and would actually put up with worse just for
that single feature. The customer relationship management is where it's
really at, and it's so nice to have your "accounts" and relevant business
information available to you within outlook is just awesome.

--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

ContentSeed: great tool for web masters,
a fantastic convenience for site owners.
http://contentseed.com/
--
Mike Lawrence said:
I got SBA after using PeachTree for the past three years hoping for a more
reliable and less error-prone solution.

One *major* weakness with SBA is the total lack of payroll support unless
you want to spend more money on top of the $400 (after rebate) you spend on
SBA upgrade.

This is just wrong. It is clear the M$ is more interested in promoting ADP
and letting me foot the bill than providing me with a complete product.
Since SBA is set up to accept ADP date and give you "additional reports" that
are available when you sign up for ADP, it's clear the ability to put in some
basic manual payroll functionality is in there somewhere.

On top of that, they've made it nearly impossible to work around. I set up
a bunch of individual accounts to handle payroll hoping I could then cut a
report for my employee payroll statements. Nope, you only get to add 5
accounts to a report. It's almost as if you really don't want me to do my
own payroll.

Look, a lot of businesses who buy this product simply do not need or cannot
afford ADP. I have two employees. There is no reason for me to use ADP.
SBA should include the following minimal payroll abilities. Until it does,
it is an incomplete product:

1. Payroll fields for each employee. This includes their wages, various
taxes and other witholding as well as reimbursed expenses, advances and such.
These fields are then linked to the appropriate master account in the main
chart of accounts.

2. Payroll statement reports for each employee. The law requires this so
it's a very fundamental payroll function. This report needs to show the
cumulative summary for the amounts accumulated in the employee accounts in 1.
above.

3. A paycheck entry form so we can cut a paycheck in one shot and the
employee's payroll information is updated on the spot and provides a payroll
voucher as described in 2. above.

It would be *nice* to be able to manually enter tax witholding rates and
have the paycheck form calculate the amounts to withold accordingly, but it
isn't fundamentally necessary. (The other items I described are.)

If I had spend $50 instead of $400 for an upgrade to my Office 2002 suite, I
would say SBA is a decent value. But at such a high price, it really does
need to be complete. Which means we should not be tied down to your
strategic marketing deal with ADP.

I would really feel a lot better as a customer if you gave me the tools to
do my own payroll in SBA. As it is, I'm honestly not sure it's worth
changing over from Peachtree because of this one specific problem.


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Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
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click "I Agree" in the message pane.
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Allan Martin

Chris Leeds said:
Hi Mike,
I understand what you mean. try the upgrade that was mentioned in your
other message from Chris, but I just want to point out something that you
may be overlooking.
below you wrote:
"> If I had spend $50 instead of $400 for an upgrade to my Office 2002
suite, I

Microsoft, welcome to the bottom of the barrel accounting software market.
When your average end user thinks your new accounting product plus an
Office Suite upgrade is only worth $50 you gotta shake your head and ask why
you even bothered.

Do you remember when just a word processing package cost over $1,000 (1985
dollars), I do, bet the OP doesn't.
 
J

Jerry

Without the built in payroll functionality, this product seems to me as DOA.
QB users complain about Intuit ripping them off with $200 tax table update.
Not only Microsoft failed to give QB users any reason to switch and go
through a new learning curve, it missed the opportunity again by not
including payroll with full functionality. Do they even know that a lot of
small business QB users are not using Internet for their financial matters ?
To succeed against established player, MS needs to give a lot more, not less
to QB users to switch. I am an accountant and I don't see any of my clients
switching to SBA 2006.
 
A

Allan Martin

Jerry said:
Without the built in payroll functionality, this product seems to me as
DOA.
QB users complain about Intuit ripping them off with $200 tax table
update.
Not only Microsoft failed to give QB users any reason to switch and go
through a new learning curve, it missed the opportunity again by not
including payroll with full functionality. Do they even know that a lot
of
small business QB users are not using Internet for their financial matters
?
To succeed against established player, MS needs to give a lot more, not
less
to QB users to switch. I am an accountant and I don't see any of my
clients
switching to SBA 2006.

Surely a lot of your clients as do mine, are currently using an outside
payroll service which makes having payroll functionality in SBA or QB moot.
 
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Victor

A company with one or two employees does not need to subscribe to ADP or QB
updates. They can look up their taxes on the tax tables provided by the
Governement.
Not everyone uses or needs to use the CRM features of the upgraded Outlook.
To be honest if you need a real CRM you use ACT! not Outlook.
The bottom line is, MS excluded a very basic and important feature of a
small business software package to bully users into buying ADP services.
 
C

Charlie

I'm looking into SBA and still wondering what the relationship is with Money
for Small Business. Is this product supposed to replace that -- and what
about that relationship with PayCycle - the online payroll provider?
 
A

Allan Martin

Charlie said:
I'm looking into SBA and still wondering what the relationship is with
Money
for Small Business. Is this product supposed to replace that -- and what
about that relationship with PayCycle - the online payroll provider?
They are kissing cousins.
 
K

Karim

Well but really far cousins becasue there is a lot of knowledge in Money not
transfered to SBA ( foreign currencies, recurrent expenses / income, tools,
calculators, budget tool, etc etc )

By the way I start being a litle amazed about this forum. You guys get the
users and customers spending their time in this and instead listening, taking
notes, and being appreciatinve of their constribution wether it is or not
usefull (the more you get the more of the usefull ones there will be) , you
find a bunch of MVP arguing about the feedback received and trying to
convince the customers that their conclusioins are wrong.

Karim
 
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T

Tonymo

The product is really not that functional without Payroll, it is the most
important module for a small business, the main reason for accounting
automation.
 
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