QB 2004 and Payroll


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Lisa C

Allan Martin said:
This is not unique to Intuit but a fact of life in the payroll software
industry. As each year passes the revenue to cost ratio of developing tax
tables for a particular version year decreases. The developer reaches a
point where it is simply not economically viable to support a particular
version.


When you walk into Circuit City or Best Buy, how many turntables and eight
track players are on display for sale.

In three years from now I'll ask the same question about VCRs. How many
tapes that you purchase today say that there will not be any players
available in the future to view the contents of this tape?

are

concept!

I will be purchasing QB 2004 upgrade next week because I see the value of
the improvements built into the product. All you are doing is blowing hot
air.
Oh please!

As to your comments, answered in turn:
"As each year passes the revenue to cost ratio of developing tax tables for
a particular version year decreases"
What?! Do you REALLY think that?
It is a TABLE. They do not 'develop' it for a particular version. They
plug-in the data. ONE set of data for ALL versions. Unless they are total
incompetents and the data structure of QB is SO FUBAR'd that they cannot
reference tables using the different data structures in each new version.
And, if that is the case, the developers have themselves to blame because
they insist on changing the datafile structure each and every year. (A
suspicious programmer might think that was because they do not want
backwards compatibility - nothing discourages the return of new software
like having to re-enter 30 days worth of data - but no sense in being
paranoid here)

"The developer reaches a point where it is simply not economically viable
to support a particular version."
Again, we are not speaking of support for past versions. We are speaking of
the development of new versions in such a way that 'services' are required.
You do not purchase a 'tax table' with new versions of QuickBooks. You
purchase a payroll service subscription. And these 'services' are disguised
as 'support'.

"When you walk into Circuit City or Best Buy, how many turntables and eight
track players are on display for sale."
Not many.. but then again the CD was introduced more than a decade ago, and
the turntable hung around for what, 30 or more years? And, these products
dropped off the market because of lessened demand. There is no lessened
demand for tax tables.

"I will be purchasing QB 2004 upgrade next week because I see the value of
the improvements built into the product. "
Which improvements did you base this decision on? Not to put you on the
spot, but I am truly curious. I would cost me over twelve hundred dollars
(for my 16 person company, that is a hefty amount of change) to upgrade.
What is new in the 2004 version that would compel me to do so? So far, I've
seen 'loan tracker' -- an admirable addition (and one that has been in
Quicken for YEARS) but one I have done without since I started with QB. Why
would I spend twelve hundred plus dollars for that?

"All you are doing is blowing hot air."
In what way?

I'm not trying to get defensive here, but that comment makes it sound as if
you think I am some sort of troll. Try doing a 'google' search on my
comments since I have started with QB. Primarily, I post to ask or give
answers to questions about QB. I am not a blind Intuit basher.
I do not have a problem with paying a yearly price for accurate up-to-date
payroll information. I do not have the desire nor the time to enter tax
table information.
I DO have a problem with what I see as a change in the attitude of the
powers that be at Intuit regarding their current customer base.

I don't think 'they' listen.
I don't think 'they' care.
The thing that makes Intuit (or ANY business) care is the bottom line. I see
the current 'sunset policy' as an attempt to remove the requirement for
innovation as an incentive to buy a new version, and replace it with a
'loaded gun', so to speak. Your money or your software's life.

It would be better if the software were sold on a monthly subscription
basis, as it is in Canada. This would at least be an honest approach.

Without putting the expiration/sunset date on the outside of the box, Intuit
is hiding the fact that the software is RENTED. You cannot use QB with
payroll for as long as you desire or your system lasts. You are limited to a
time period of as little as 28 months.

And, with the newest scam, you cannot use QB AT ALL, even without the
payroll module, if your version is old and you make changes to your
computer. All this is hidden under the heading of 'software theft
prevention'. The theft is NOT the purchaser using the product on a new
computer. The theft is the software company disabling the purchaser's
ability to use the software they BOUGHT. This is not in the EULA. This is
not on the box. It is deceptive and morally reprehensible if not illegal.

It is the new Intuit.
 
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RTLP

I would just like to tell you that I always read your posts with interest.
To me, they always make sense, they always make valid points, you always
clearly explain the basis for the points you make, and you don't throw out
rude remarks about people "blowing hot air" etc.
 
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Allan Martin

RTLP said:
I would just like to tell you that I always read your posts with interest.
To me, they always make sense, they always make valid points, you always
clearly explain the basis for the points you make, and you don't throw out
rude remarks about people "blowing hot air" etc.

Some how No Spam's hot air got mixed up with Lisa C, who does not in any way
blow hot air.
 
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Allan Martin

You said that you are still running version QB99. Do you really think the
only improvement added to the software in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004
was the addition of a loan tracker?
 
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AceLink

Allan Martin said:
You said that you are still running version QB99. Do you really think the
only improvement added to the software in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004
was the addition of a loan tracker?
Apparently, you are not paying attention. This person did not say anything
about running QB99, and I think is using QB2003.

But you said, "I will be purchasing QB 2004 upgrade next week because I see
the value of the improvements built into the product."

And the question was, what improvements (since QB2003) are you referring to?
 
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Allan Martin

AceLink said:
Apparently, you are not paying attention. This person did not say anything
about running QB99, and I think is using QB2003.
It was my understanding that the poster was still running 99 because they
did not want to subscribe to the tax tables. Threads can sometimes become
confusing and who said what gets lost, especially if you clean up all your
messages after each reading.


But you said, "I will be purchasing QB 2004 upgrade next week because I see
the value of the improvements built into the product."

And the question was, what improvements (since QB2003) are you referring
to?

If you are interested in seeing what's new in QB 2004 then I suggest you go
to Intuits web site. Certainly the bundling of Intuit's Fixed Asset
Management program (One of, if not the best depreciation program on the
market today) with the Accountants and Enterprise versions is worth the
price of admission.
 
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Guest

Allan Martin said:
Certainly the bundling of Intuit's Fixed Asset
Management program (One of, if not the best depreciation program on the
market today)...
!?

... with the Accountants and Enterprise versions is worth the
price of admission.
You're either too easy to satisfy, too unaware of what software tools
exist out there for fixed asset management, too eager to be a
cheerleader for the QB developer drones, or too unable to find
anything useful in the 2004 versions to justify the upgrade costs even
for the Basic versions (other than the payroll tax table extortion).

If you want to plunk down several hundreds of $$ for these
semi-useless "features" (like the Change Order idiocy they did for the
Contractor Edition), all the best to you. However, you will still have
to deal with the incapability of QB to sort transactions correctly
which you may elect not to consider a significant deficiency and an
indicator of the poor quality development of the program.

And since we're assuming that QB tries to offer features that will be
useful to as many current or potential customers as possible (given
the usual constraints of course), why can't they put a Customer:Job
column on a Vendor Open Bills report?

Cheer On!

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Allan Martin

You're either too easy to satisfy, too unaware of what software tools
exist out there for fixed asset management, too eager to be a
cheerleader for the QB developer drones, or too unable to find
anything useful in the 2004 versions to justify the upgrade costs even
for the Basic versions (other than the payroll tax table extortion).

As a CPA, I have been using their Fixed Asset Program for years. I even used
the program before Intuit bought up the program, when it was a DOS program.
I purchase the FAM upgrade every year and will contiune to do as long as I
am in practice. The fact that this program is now bundled with the
Accountant's edition does have its merits.
 
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Tim Kroesen

They don't need to 'develop anything; just plug a few different numbers
into an already 'developed' table and installer; post and change the
site filename, then offer it for sale on an already 'developed' sales
network. A Hundred potential sales at $25 each ought to cover that
grunt programming handsomely... But it's *not* about servicing the
customers needs any more, rather servicing corporate GREED!

Tim K
 
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Allan Martin

Hey Tim,

What were Deforest Kelly's final words?

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"Jim, I'm Dead."
 
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Tim Kroesen

"Dammit Jim; Liposuction, Hair Transplants and Viagra are not covered
under your Star Fleet Medical Plan..."

Tim K
 
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