Registering for VAT at a Temp Address


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Stephen GoldenGun

I have a small factory abroad, I find it difficult to be in two places at
once, and as I have to conserve cash where possible I do not want the
expense of keeping two offices.
Can anybody tell me if it is allowable to give your VAT registration address
as being a "temporary office address" the common kind that you can get in
any basic "forwarding address" service providers.

Thankyou in Advance
 
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Robert Killington

Stephen GoldenGun said:
I have a small factory abroad, I find it difficult to be in two places at
once, and as I have to conserve cash where possible I do not want the
expense of keeping two offices.
Can anybody tell me if it is allowable to give your VAT registration address
as being a "temporary office address" the common kind that you can get in
any basic "forwarding address" service providers.
I don't think it's a good idea. What are you going to do if Customs &
Excise do an unannounced visit? If it's an accommodation address,
what will they think? Next thing you know they'll have you down as a
Missing Trader, and they'll be checking you out for carousel frauds:-(
Will it happen to you? Who knows, but there are better ways of
getting round this.

What premises have you got in the UK? Why can't the VAT Return go
there? If it's not business premises, just your residential address,
why not see if your accountant will act as your accommodation address?
I'd be inclined to talk to Customs & Excise before you go ahead with
the arrangement to give them advance warning of it. They do like to
know where you are, that's why they don't like PO Box addresses - even
though you can apparently get the real address from the Post Office
just by asking! If you can show that you are taking these steps
because you want to make sure you get the VAT Returns and other VAT
correspondence in good time to deal with, Customs & Excise are likely
to look upon your request kindly. No guarantee.

Best wishes


Robert Killington
visit http://www.vatark.co.uk/
for help with VAT

To contact me by e-mail please go via my website.
 
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Peter Saxton

I don't think it's a good idea. What are you going to do if Customs &
Excise do an unannounced visit? If it's an accommodation address,
what will they think? Next thing you know they'll have you down as a
Missing Trader, and they'll be checking you out for carousel frauds:-(
Will it happen to you? Who knows, but there are better ways of
getting round this.

What premises have you got in the UK? Why can't the VAT Return go
there? If it's not business premises, just your residential address,
why not see if your accountant will act as your accommodation address?
I'd be inclined to talk to Customs & Excise before you go ahead with
the arrangement to give them advance warning of it. They do like to
know where you are, that's why they don't like PO Box addresses - even
though you can apparently get the real address from the Post Office
just by asking! If you can show that you are taking these steps
because you want to make sure you get the VAT Returns and other VAT
correspondence in good time to deal with, Customs & Excise are likely
to look upon your request kindly. No guarantee.
The VAT office are happy to send the VAT return anywhere as long as
they also know your trading address.



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Robert Killington

Peter Saxton said:
The VAT office are happy to send the VAT return anywhere as long as
they also know your trading address.
Looks as though there isn't a real trading address from his reply.

Best wishes

Robert Killington
visit http://www.vatark.co.uk/
for help with VAT

To contact me by e-mail please go via my website.
 
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Robert Killington

Stephen GoldenGun said:
Well I have not got an accountant any more, as I have'nt traded for a while
since I moved over to Eastern Europe...it is quite a bit thing to do..not
just a five minute job! Plus its hugely hugey expensive...plus the time it
has taken me to learn and find workers and make prottypes was all time in
Eastern Europe while I could'nt be in UK/Europe delivering or selling....

So I'm starting almost from square one again...
If you haven't traded for a while, why are you still VAT registered?
Thankyou very much for your answer, I think I don't have a choice...if I
don't have a suitable business premises, then I think the clear answer is I
can't use a "office mailing address" so I will have to use my domestic
home....which is fine I suppose....but I really wanted to keep my private
address private and away from being stamped all over documents stretching
from sometimes for example if I'm purchasing romanian oak, then my personal
home address will be stamped all over their documents all the way from
bulgaria/romania/hungary/czech republic/slovakia/poland/then germany and
across the EU.

Security is a matter of principle when you buy or sell anything anywhere
near to places where "corruption is rife".it is common sense......prevention
is better than cure....so thats why I wanted to keep my VAT address
separate...from my home address.
But Customs & Excise are not going to broadcast your address to all
and sundry. They just want a place to send the VAT return to. The
other difficulty I envisage is you making sure that your VAT returns
are done on time. Is it worth your being VAT registered, given your
earlier comments? Would it reduce your difficulties by cancelling
your registration? Might be easier than worrying about security.

Best wishes

Robert Killington
visit http://www.vatark.co.uk/
for help with VAT

To contact me by e-mail please go via my website.
 
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Stephen GoldenGun

Robert Killington said:
"Stephen GoldenGun" <indiantravelcompany@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

If you haven't traded for a while, why are you still VAT registered?
Why should I deregister, if I derigstered then all the money spent on plan
and machinery, and tools can be theoretically claimed back....or at any
rate, the last thing I wish to do is have to pay an accountant £70 per hour,
to work out or argue with them.
But Customs & Excise are not going to broadcast your address to all
and sundry.
When you fill out documents and forms overseas to export, you have to
include your vat registration number and also your business residency
address.

My business exists in two ways.

1/ Small workshop/factory making small high quality wooden products that I
am better of being non vat registered for.

2/ Wholesale Trade of raw goods from anywhere from cement from the ukraine
(very very cheap) to timber from russia/estonia/romania etc.

These goods have to be imported and the VAT claimed back then charged again
to the end user, as he/she is most definitely going to be VAT registered and
the quantities are much larger, and thefore will be way in excess of any vat
threshold...so that is the reason I need to be vat reg..




They just want a place to send the VAT return to. The
other difficulty I envisage is you making sure that your VAT returns
are done on time. Is it worth your being VAT registered, given your
earlier comments?
NO problem , when I get cash flow, I will just pay an accountant or have a
small office or something as you described....it is only for the moment,
when i'mnot making any money, I'm just having all my capital tied up in
finished good and semi finished goods....

Although I allways knew I would have this low period where my working
capital was at a lower rate, before moving forward I am considering options
of getting a financia partner or selling some part of my business, if I do
that, then most likely the person selected will be responsible for the
paperwork side of everything and the financial control..eg. accountant, vat
returns, books, invoicing, keeping account etc.etc...

six months waiting now to put the right system in place and right structure
will pay dividends in the long run.



Would it reduce your difficulties by cancelling
 
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David Floyd

That is exactly right, I do not consider a warehouse on a farm, to be a
"trading address"... as I am not trading at the moment, their is no trading
activity taking place, hence dormant business.
You cannot register for VAT if you're not trading.

DF
 
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Stephen GoldenGun

David Floyd said:
You cannot register for VAT if you're not trading.

DF
Before I moved my factory to Eastern Europe I was of course trading, the
reason I had to move was due to an overwhelming amount of orders, I just did
not deregister. Right now my vat return goes to an old home address where it
is forwarded.
 
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Jonathan Bryce

Stephen said:
Can anybody tell me if it is allowable to give your VAT registration
address as being a "temporary office address" the common kind that you can
get in any basic "forwarding address" service providers.
Posting a load of rubbish across usenet is not a taxable supply, so you
don't need to register for VAT. :)
 
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Dr. James S. GoldenGun

Robert Killington said:
"Stephen GoldenGun" <indiantravelcompany@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

Because if you have ceased to make taxable supplies in the UK you have
to deregister.

Best wishes

Robert Killington
visit http://www.vatark.co.uk/
for help with VAT

To contact me by e-mail please go via my website.
Hi Robert,

Well, I have not deregistered and they have not asked me to deregister. I do
not claim money from them and I do not pay money to them. No problem for
them at all.
 

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