Restroing a file made in later version?


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Al

I could not stand working in Quicken 2004 and now reinstalled 2003..

BUT how do I open a saved file that was done in Quicken 2004 to be
recognized in 2003 version.

It claims it cannot open it because it was saved in version and I need to
contact INTUIT support..

I installed q2004 on Oct 31 2003..so all updates will be lost..

Please help.

Al
 
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Fred Smith

This has been answered several times before.

It's impossible for Q2003 to know the data format of Q04 files. So opening a
Q04 file with Q03 won't work.

Go back to your backup, and re-enter your data from that date.
 
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John Blaustein

Al,

I hope this won't launch yet another huge debate, but I'm curious what you
didn't like about 2004. I switched from 2002, and after a few days of
adjusting to the differences, I like it.

John
 
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David Segall

Al said:
I could not stand working in Quicken 2004 and now reinstalled 2003..

BUT how do I open a saved file that was done in Quicken 2004 to be
recognized in 2003 version.

It claims it cannot open it because it was saved in version and I need to
contact INTUIT support..

I installed q2004 on Oct 31 2003..so all updates will be lost..

Please help.

Al
Can't you reinstall Q2004, export the data in QIF format and then
import it to Q2003? I put that as a question because I am still using
Quicken V7 (circa 1998). I gave up trying to stay on the upgrade
treadmill when Intuit wanted to charge an annual fee.
 
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David Segall

Fred Smith said:
This has been answered several times before.

It's impossible for Q2003 to know the data format of Q04 files.
This is true but it implies that Intuit is helpless in the face great
technical difficulties. It would be better expressed as "Like many
other software manufactures Intuit deliberately makes its data files
incompatible with those of previous versions in the hope that it will
oblige users to upgrade".
 
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Fred Smith

I think "deliberately makes its data files incompatible" is a bit strong,
but I certainly agree Intuit has a bad habit of changing its data format
each year. I chalk it up to laziness (it's much easier to program with a new
data format than to try to shoehorn enhancements into an old one), or cost
(it's cheaper to convert to a new format than work with an old one).

I also believe it would be very simple for Intuit, once the Q04 data format
is defined, to come out with an update to Q03 which would read the new file.
Microsoft did this with Word when they changed its data format. However, I
believe the reason Intuit doesn't do this is there's no money in it for
them. Not enough people would pay for this feature.

Given the number of posts on this subject, you'd think this would be an
opportunity for some entrepreneur. It can't be that hard to dissect the data
format for both versions. Then just monitor this newsgroup and offer to sell
the conversion program to all who express a need.
 
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John

Just updated to q2004. Yes, I did notice that Q2004 restructured the
data file. In my opinion, quicken does this to accomodate new data to
be saved in each record. Sadly, sometimes this IS necessary and going
back to the old version is difficult or impossible. The exporting
idea is by far the best idea yet.

Most times, upgrades house enhancements that truly make using the
software easier to use and more productive. Converting our heads to
the upgrade takes some time, effort, and patience. Sadly, again, some
folks have a hard time with this. But in the end, it usually pays to
stick with it.

I like the new interface. I just wish intuit was more accessable for
questions and comments.
 
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John Pollard

Fred said:
I think "deliberately makes its data files incompatible" is a bit
strong, but I certainly agree Intuit has a bad habit of changing its
data format each year. I chalk it up to laziness (it's much easier to
program with a new data format than to try to shoehorn enhancements
into an old one), or cost (it's cheaper to convert to a new format
than work with an old one).

I also believe it would be very simple for Intuit, once the Q04 data
format is defined, to come out with an update to Q03 which would read
the new file.
I think that in some years this might be simple, but I think in others it
would be much more difficult.
Microsoft did this with Word when they changed its data
format. However, I believe the reason Intuit doesn't do this is
there's no money in it for them. Not enough people would pay for this
feature.

Given the number of posts on this subject, you'd think this would be
an opportunity for some entrepreneur. It can't be that hard to
dissect the data format for both versions. Then just monitor this
newsgroup and offer to sell the conversion program to all who express
a need.
But you might be on to something here when you talk about a "conversion
program". Someone could actually kill two birds with one stone here if
they had a program that would export/import OFX files from/to Quicken data
files. Add in some criteria such as those offered with QIF file
export/import (and better), and you could easily return to a previous
version, or exchange data with anyone, or get your data out of a corrupt
file (though this would call for extra work by the entrepreneur to be able
to work around the corruption).

I haven't read through the OFX specs, but I am pretty sure that OFX can
handle many of the Quicken capabilities that QIF files could not and once
QIF files are gone, OFX export/import will be even more important.
 
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David Segall

Just updated to q2004. Yes, I did notice that Q2004 restructured the
data file. In my opinion, quicken does this to accomodate new data to
be saved in each record.
That's true but IT boffins have worked hard to ensure that a change to
allow new types of data to be collected does not require all the
existing programs to be changed. Only those programs that need the new
fields are altered. Imagine the cost to your bank or insurance company
if collecting a few new data items required them to change all their
existing programs.
Sadly, sometimes this IS necessary and going
back to the old version is difficult or impossible.
It is sometimes necessary and I could accept a drastic change every
five to ten years. However, I am confidant that the incompatibility
from one version of Quicken to the next is controlled by the marketing
department and not by the programmers. There is no reason why Quicken
V7 could not warn the user that it is reading a Quicken 2004 file and
if the user saves a record it is possible that some data added by
newer versions may be lost. Similarly, Quicken 2004 could warn the
user that the database has been updated by an old version of Quicken
and provide a list of the records that have been adversely affected.
 

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