Signing on as unemployed


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Sean

Hi, Would there be any point in signing-on as unemployed for someone
who currently has no work and was previously self-employed for years
AND who has a well-paid partner at home? I'm sure that he wouldn't be
entitled to any JSA or IS but is there any other benefit, financial or
otherwise (apart from job-seeking advice), he might be entitled to? TIA
 
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Robbie

Sean said:
Hi, Would there be any point in signing-on as unemployed for someone
who currently has no work and was previously self-employed for years
AND who has a well-paid partner at home? I'm sure that he wouldn't be
entitled to any JSA or IS but is there any other benefit, financial or
otherwise (apart from job-seeking advice), he might be entitled to? TIA
In practical terms, very little point at all. You wouldn't qualify for
IS anyway and it is unlikely that there will be any entitlement to the
means tested element of JSA (perhaps this is what you were thinking of
when you mention IS, it changed back in 1996) and in the circumstances,
contributions based JSA either.

The only gains:

you may be able to sign on and get NI credits

if you have any insurance cover (eg on loans) that require proof of
unemployment to pay out then it may be worthwhile

If you decide to work for an employer in the future you can provide some
sort of documentary proof of being unemployed for this period

You'd need to go through the whole form filling and interview process
though, as well as showing you are available for and actively seeking
work etc.
 
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Robin T Cox

Robbie said:
The only gains:

you may be able to sign on and get NI credits
and NI credits will count towards your State Pension.
 
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Niteawk

Robbie said:
In practical terms, very little point at all. You wouldn't qualify for IS
anyway and it is unlikely that there will be any entitlement to the means
tested element of JSA (perhaps this is what you were thinking of when you
mention IS, it changed back in 1996) and in the circumstances,
contributions based JSA either.

The only gains:

you may be able to sign on and get NI credits

if you have any insurance cover (eg on loans) that require proof of
unemployment to pay out then it may be worthwhile

If you decide to work for an employer in the future you can provide some
sort of documentary proof of being unemployed for this period

You'd need to go through the whole form filling and interview process
though, as well as showing you are available for and actively seeking work
etc.

I would have thought he is entitled to JSA for 6 months if he paid tax, that
is the very least I would expect.
 
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Sean

I would have thought he is entitled to JSA for 6 months if he paid tax, that
is the very least I would expect.
Thanks for the advice and comments, guys. It confirms what I feared to be
the case. As to Niteawk's comments, I see his uninformed and misleading
contribution is still up to his usual standards.
 
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Niteawk

Sean said:
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Thanks for the advice and comments, guys. It confirms what I feared to be
the case. As to Niteawk's comments, I see his uninformed and misleading
contribution is still up to his usual standards.
Pity you dont read to well, depending on income and savings, he might
qualify for income based JSA.
 
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mart2306

Pity you dont read to well,  depending on income and savings, he might
qualify for income based JSA.- Hide quoted text -

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With a well paid partner at home?
Read up on what income is used for income based JSA before you offer
advice.

Martin <><
 
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Sean

Pity you dont read to well, depending on income and savings, he might
qualify for income based JSA.
No, it's a pity you don't read what I said. As Martin has pointed out to
you, I deliberately mentioned his 'well-paid partner'. Because of this he
doesn't qualify for the means-tested JSA.
I would have thought he is entitled to JSA for 6 months if he paid tax,
that is the very least I would expect.
The fact that he paid income tax when working as self-employed doesn't
entitle him to the non-means tested JSA either.
 
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Niteawk

Pity you dont read to well, depending on income and savings, he might
qualify for income based JSA.- Hide quoted text -

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With a well paid partner at home?
Read up on what income is used for income based JSA before you offer
advice.

Martin <><

Means nothing, what a wife does with her money is her business, there is no
law that says she has to support or give money to her husband. Situations
like that tend to lead to divorce.
 
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Niteawk

Sean said:
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No, it's a pity you don't read what I said. As Martin has pointed out to
you, I deliberately mentioned his 'well-paid partner'. Because of this he
doesn't qualify for the means-tested JSA.


The fact that he paid income tax when working as self-employed doesn't
entitle him to the non-means tested JSA either.
Even if he had no money to live on?
 
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mart2306

Means nothing, what a wife does with her money is her business, there is no
law that says she has to support or give money to her husband. Situations
like that tend to lead to divorce.- Hide quoted text -

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Again, read up on what is used for income based JSA.


Martin <><
 
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Sean

Even if he had no money to live on?
Yes, even if he has no money at all of his own to live on. His partner's
income is taken into account as the income of the couple. How long have
you been following the messages and 'contributing' to this newsgroup?
 
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Niteawk

Sean said:
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Yes, even if he has no money at all of his own to live on. His partner's
income is taken into account as the income of the couple. How long have
you been following the messages and 'contributing' to this newsgroup?
And what happens when he tells them his wife does not support him, she
sleeps in one room, he sleeps in the other, which is very common these days.
 
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mart2306

And what happens when he tells them his wife does not support him, she
sleeps in one room, he sleeps in the other, which is very common these days.- Hide quoted text -
Then the pair of them have bigger problems than whether one of them
would get jobseekers allowance.

Some benefits look at household income, regardless of whether you want
it that way.


Martin <><
 
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Niteawk

Then the pair of them have bigger problems than whether one of them
would get jobseekers allowance.

Some benefits look at household income, regardless of whether you want
it that way.
It has nothing to do with how I want it, it is how the government wants it
fool. I see this happening all the time, its the system that is at fault.
You end up with couples living or pretending to live apart, and depending on
their current status, one working or not, one or both get HB as well as JSA
x 2. Double bubble.
 
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mart2306

It has nothing to do with how I want it, it is how the government wants it
fool. I see this happening all the time, its the system that is at fault.
You end up with couples living or pretending to live apart, and depending on
their current status, one working or not, one or both get HB as well as JSA
x 2. Double bubble.
The system may be at fault but it is the system we have now. Please,
don't give advice based on what you see as a fault.
By all means campaign to change the system but don't confuse what you
want with what the government currently has.

Martin <><
 
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Niteawk

The system may be at fault but it is the system we have now. Please,
don't give advice based on what you see as a fault.
By all means campaign to change the system but don't confuse what you
want with what the government currently has.

Martin <><

You can get off your moral high horse now. We all know the system is
corrupt, just like our MP's.
 
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mart2306

You can get off your moral high horse now. We all know the system is
corrupt, just like our MP's
Sorry, we don't all know that the system is corrupt. Not perfect, not
by a long shot, but hardly corrupt.

Martin <><
 
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mart2306

They are not only corrupt, they are criminals IMO.

http://www.dwpcorruption.co.uk/index.html
Ah, so a disinterested site then.
Reads like ideology more than fact.

And at least one of those stories is about a charity (RNID), not the
DWP. Rather a large difference between Really Not Interested in Deaf
(RNID) who campaign on many issues and the DWP.
And lets not forget the references to zionist homosexuals in the site,
always good in certain types of ideology. I thought you didn't like
foreign terrorists, the site you gave has some of the same propoganda.
And thats just from skimming through a couple of articles.

Still, if it makes you happy that some conspiracy theorists somewhere
have come up with a site for you to read, have fun with it.

Martin <><
 

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