Single parent question.


T

The Natural Philosopher

Snake said:
God but you're cynical, if you open your eyes and really look at the world
around you, you will be surprised at the diversity of life contained
therein!!
Much of which contributes little or nothing to the experience.
 
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Mudstomper

Snake Lady said:
God but you're cynical, if you open your eyes and really look at the
world around you, you will be surprised at the diversity of life contained
therein!!
I'm with you on that one, I know people who live in yurts, buses and tents
who though they object to the structure of society, still contribute to it.
I know single parents of both sexes who fight and struggle to acheive some
kind of independence and only veiw state help as a passing phase and I also
know people that are of no use to society outside of filling a vacant post
and draw a fat wage for nothing except their ability to say the right things
to the right people, and you know what the real burn is? I love all of them
:)
 
D

Derek Hornby

Bull shit. Don't flatter yourself, you're not worth the effort.
The do us all a favour, SUTH UP and stop baiting for argument.
The rest of your crap <sniped>
However you are still wrong, I did not start
"Single parent question" thread
And:
the "birth control" thread was a change of subject line,
as was the
"£50,000 benefit single mother did she really break the rules"


This is easily proven by looking at posting headers.
You should also be aware that someone is very busy removing
their posts, a good look on goggle will show that is also true.
And it's easy to work put who is removing their posts, as one only needs
to see that there are posters replying to posts, and the
original posts isn't there!

Derek
 
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Derek Hornby

The Natural Philosopher said:
It has been noted in India that the biggest counter to unwanted
pregnancy has been the education of women.

It seems that educated people have less babies.

But there is access now, in UK, to good education.
One can't force people to use common sense.
Derek
 
D

Derek Hornby

You also started the cross posted birth control thread:-(
Actually the x-postings started from this post below:


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Can a single parent get assistance with school uniforms? A single mum
near me has to buy a school uniform and the only help she can get is
10GBP per child.
pete

I understand that Ipswich Council have decided that they can no longer
afford to issue clothing grants as they are spending too much money on
fighting off nutters and time wasters telling them how to do their job
with regards to public places and access.

(And why the **** should I and other Ipswich rate payers have to pay
to bring up somebody else's brats on a sink council house estate. If
they'd asked if I would have contributed to a compulsory sterilisation
program, then that would have been a different matter)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Posts that followed that post, continued to keep the same news groups
to line.
Along the way, I changed the subject line twice, keeping the same
news groups to line.
Derek
 
M

mike friend

I think you will find that drek doesn't get DLA and that is why he
reckons others shouldn't get any benefits either.
Why if it is not Turtill in (a bad) disguise. Thank you shit-heap
for your contribution.
 
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mike friend

*WE* are protesting. Who we? Have you formed a club or have you been
elected as a spokesperson for some group?
Hello Smicker.
I think Pat is a member of the "I think Shit-heap Turtill is a
fuckwit" club. There is a world-wide membership - there's only person
barred, and that's you.
 
G

Guest

You are deaf and blind and live on benefits. Are you saying the state
shouldn't support you either? Or is it just other people who are on
benefits you object to.
Hello again Smicker. Everyone can recognise your inimitable style and
your hate of Derek just because he stuffed you over your legal action.

I understand that your benefits are about to be investigated after
you've been grassed up - you haven't upset someone again have you?
 
G

Guest

You would at your age. How do you expect youngsters to find a place to
live when you and others have bought all the council houses?
Hello Smicker.
You mean like the council house which your wife bought
in 1989 when you were working abroad, not paying income and other
taxes and being threatened with legal action?
 
M

mike friend

And you? You I believe had a disabled child and make sure it lives far
away from where you are. You a mother doing that and calling others
selfish just about takes the carrot.
Hello again Smicker.
As usual - your only contribution is to bring up personal facts which
have previously been divulged in quite different circumstances.

I have said it before, but I will say it again - you really are a
nasty piece of work; the lowest of the low life - no wonder you are
despised so widely.
 
M

mike friend

Pat's husband is aware of that and has gone deaf. John is deaf isn't
he Pat?
Hello again Smicker.
Still trying to make it personal - you really are a piece of
excrement.
 
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The Natural Philosopher

Derek said:
But there is access now, in UK, to good education.
One can't force people to use common sense.
Derek
Well, you can. Sort of.

Put them in situations where common sense means they win, and stupidity
means they die.
 
W

W Marsh

Well, you can. Sort of.

Put them in situations where common sense means they win, and stupidity
means they die.
Rubbish. Some of the most intelligent people have no common sense at
all.
 
P

Pat P

The Natural Philosopher said:
Well, you can. Sort of.

Put them in situations where common sense means they win, and stupidity
means they die.
Of course people in India APPRECIATE education far more than most of OUR
kids do!

Pat P
 
P

Pat P

W Marsh said:
Rubbish. Some of the most intelligent people have no common sense at
all.
Ain`t THAT the truth! One of my grandsons was an extremely high achiever at
University - but appears (at getting on for thirty) to have VERY little in
the way of commonsense!

Pat P
 
D

Derek Hornby

The Natural Philosopher said:
Well, you can. Sort of.

Put them in situations where common sense means they win, and stupidity
means they die.
Ok so what do you suggest?

1. boy and girl have sex, and girl has baby.
If the girl is under age, what should the state do in terms of supporting
the mother and child?
If we say noting, then child suffers!
Should the rule be child must go for adoption if the teen mother's
family can't afford to fund the support?

2. And what about adult mothers?
If an adult mother has the attitude:
"I can have as many kids as I like don't need to go to work,
don't need to pay income tax, the state will fund the kids care, food etc."

How about following the law in China only say 2 children per family unit.
Then if one has any more, the extra should go out for adoption.

By the way, did you know that girls that start having sex at early
teenage, are more at risk of cancer!
If this is true then should the state pay for cancer treatment for
those that had a sexual active life as a young teen?

The point being, if we cause our own illness why should the state
pay for our care, why?
If I was to smoke 50 60+ a day should state pay for my lung
cancer?

If I am an alcoholic should the state pay for my treatment?
No, I don't think so.

Derek
 
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Tone.

Ok so what do you suggest?

1. boy and girl have sex, and girl has baby.
If the girl is under age, what should the state do in terms of supporting
the mother and child?
The state does nothing. The Girl is under age and is the
responsibility of her parents
If we say noting, then child suffers! No see above
Should the rule be child must go for adoption if the teen mother's
family can't afford to fund the support?
No. If the girls parents are obviously below any poverty line then the
state should contribute. Forced adoption is not an option.
At present this isn't a totalitarian state.
2. And what about adult mothers?
If an adult mother has the attitude:
"I can have as many kids as I like don't need to go to work,
don't need to pay income tax, the state will fund the kids care, food etc."
How do you know and/or prove that such persons exist?
How about following the law in China only say 2 children per family unit.
Then if one has any more, the extra should go out for adoption.
China is a totalitarian sate run by weirdo's.
Though this country is also run by weirdo's it isn't a totalitarian
state.
By the way, did you know that girls that start having sex at early
teenage, are more at risk of cancer!
If this is true then should the state pay for cancer treatment for
those that had a sexual active life as a young teen?
Your arguments are facile and are being used simply for the point of
propagating your flawed ideas.
The point being, if we cause our own illness why should the state
pay for our care, why?
If I was to smoke 50 60+ a day should state pay for my lung
cancer? See above

If I am an alcoholic should the state pay for my treatment?
No, I don't think so.
I really don't see the point of your continuing arguments.
 
T

The Natural Philosopher

W said:
Rubbish. Some of the most intelligent people have no common sense at
all.
That is not valid response to my response which was to someone
commenting about common sense. I equated lack of common sense that that
point with stupidity, intelligence was never mentioned

There are plenty of intelligent educated people who are still pretty stupid.

As you say.
 
W

W Marsh

That is not valid response to my response which was to someone
commenting about common sense. I equated lack of common sense that that
point with stupidity, intelligence was never mentioned

There are plenty of intelligent educated people who are still pretty stupid.

As you say.
I'm not even going to touch that one. You're ridiculous.
 
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humble.life

W said:
I don't quite agree with the way he made the point, but in a
depressing area with such a large lower class population girls have
nothing to do BUT breed. I left secondary school 6 years ago, and
almost every time I see a girl from my year now she is pushing a pram,
hand in hand with her baseball-capped, furrow-brow thugman.

We probably shouldn't be encouraging people who fit into the "trash"
stereotype to keep making babies. It's a drain on other people and
contributes to over-population.

It's not just a problem in the lower classes - a lot of girls feel
that they have real prospects and choose getting pregnant as a career
choice. Housewifery pays well in an unconventional sense.

Of course, this isn't a comment on all single mothers and young
parents - it's just a related thought.
I live above a guy who thinks he has the god given right to blare TV
through my floor until 5am. He's disabled. Yet he's hardly the person
you want fighting disability work rights. I've conversed with him.
He's not been hit by the head-sharpening challenges you can't fail to
hit when learning. Point being, not a unfathered child in sight.
Still a nuisance.

Then their's the woman above me who pounds her overweight self around,
shouting, drinking, occasionally smashing. Gossips her way out of her
holes, inaccurately, etc.

To not "trigger" my neighbours, I have to mute the radio if it's getting
dramatic, musical, screamy, applaudy..... (i'll be "doing it to myself"
if I don't)

But then, and equally, such is the way this kind of property is built.
The components start to add-up, no soundproofing, no true privacy,
constant sleeplessness, air is costly to heat, quarter of a bath of hot
water = 3 quid (immersion heaters), pressure-of-work vs people with the
time.....

Right now it's just grindy, noise from all directions, 24/7 nearly.

Yours,


Scapegoat-of-bad-design
 
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