Small Business Accounting 2006 integration


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hitchhiker

I am in the process of trying to decide if I should make the switch from
Quickbooks POS to Retail Management. One of my problems is that Quickbooks
POS and Quickbooks Pro accounting do not communicate very well.
I was thinking of going with MS Small Business accounting and RMS but I
needed to find out if anyone has had any experience with the connector
software? is there somewhere I can find out exactly what information is
shared? One issue I have with QB is that item information is not transfered
between the programs.
 
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Mark

My experience has not been good. I have tried to install the RMS connector,
but it does not work. I called the company that created it and they told me
two things: One the connector won't work with sql server 2005 and two they
don't support it. They told me Microsoft bought it from them so you will have
to call them, that they will do nothing to help you. I tried to call
Microsoft who has been unable to reach anyone at Microsoft who can help me
with this. Basically I gave up. I did try to install it on a computer that
had Sql server 2000 on it and it still didn't work. My suggestion is to wait
until Microsoft comes out with either a new release of SBA or the connector
that will work.

You do not want to switch over without the connection.
 
E

EricG

This, in my opinion, is the biggest issue that all POS systems have... the
lack of G/L integration. If RMS integrated ***FLAWLESSLY*** with Small
Business Financials or GP, it would be AMAZING!!!.

But, RMS is still way better than Quickbooks POS.

Cheers/Eric
 
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Jeff

Hitchhiker,

While just returning from the SBA forum creating a little hate and
discontent, my recommendation is to stick with QBP instead of SBA. Screw
the hype and stick with QBP!

SBA is a 1.0 product, less than 3 months old!! It was not even written by
MS' accounting business group. It was written by the industry leading, MS
Money product group! ;-0

Don't know what you are trying to transfer, but try creating a test QBP and
RMS database and see if it works to your satisfaction.
 
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Jeff

Mark,

Neither SBA or RMS support SQL 2005, so why blame it on the connector?

SBA barely works with MSDE and the way the SBA design team requires it to be
installed with all of their bogus MSDE setups.

MS bought their way out their way to providing the connector from EVT and
without being privy to the arrangement, probably assumed all tech support.

I would be asking your questions either here or on the SBA newsgroup;
microsoft.public.sba.general
 
M

Mobitech Lady

SBA does work on SQL Server - there is a White Paper giving you step-by-step
instructions. And specifically, the White Paper covers installing SBA on
Small Business Server 2003 Premium which includes SQL Server.

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Mobitech Lady

Amy Luby
Mobitech
402.330.0707
www.mobitechonline.com
 
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Mark

Jeff, for the record I installed it on SQL Server 2000 and it didn't work
either. I also have never been able to get the network setup to work either
and by the looks of this bulletin board for SBA neither has anyone else.
 
J

Jeff

Mark,

It _will_ work, you just have to screw around with SQL, Windows Firewall,
BCM and the differences with SQL and MDSE ports Way too difficult!! Even
for most experienced users.

MS forgot a basic thing. Small means different things to different people.

SBA is intended to run peer to peer, something that MS has riled against
since the beginning. They forgot they had something called SBS that they
have foisted on the small business community. I'm guessing that 50% of the
businesses sold SBS, uses, at most, 50% of the product. The general public
thinks small means small. They saw cheap with SBA and assuming it was meant
for small businesses because they were told that they were a small business,
remember they were sold SBS.

SBA, in its current format, is only for very small, very simple businesses.

It may grow to become more, but why should it? MS already has Small
Business Financials, which is designed by their professional accounting
group. Its only issue is the way MS decided to sell and market it.

You must purchase a 5 user version to start @ 995. At approx. $200 per
user, its almost the same price as SBA, but has been designed to grow as
their business grows and is _much_ more robust.

SBA, at this time, has no upgrade path at all.

The question is, Why is MS wasting millions by having 2 products to do the
_exact_ same thing?
 
M

Mobitech Lady

First, infrastructure and database administration is difficult, and that's
why I post so often on the need for POS resellers to either partner with
infrastructure experts, or hire on the expertise themselves instead of
complaining about the awesome products that MSFT gives us to help our
clients leverage their technolgoy to grow their business.

Second, we have been running SBA on SQL since the middle of the BETA and it
isn't THAT difficult if you know infrastructure and netoworking and SQL.
Again, if you don't know how the technology works, don't put it down. Find
someone to contract this work out to, or hire it.

Third, if 50% of the business who have deployed SBS are only using 50% of it
then it's the consultant/vendor who sold them SBS who screwed that deal up.
We see this ALL the time. A consultant or company who sells point of sale
software to a small retailer who thinks that they can just follow the
wizards in SBS and call themselves an infrastructure expert. Why frown on an
awesome product for the SMB space when the consultant deploying it doesn't
know anything about infrastructure?

--
Mobitech Lady

Amy Luby
Mobitech
402.330.0707
www.mobitechonline.com
 
K

Kevin Pham [MSFT]

Hello,

The next version of SBA and MSPOS will have deep integration. If you give
us our email address, we will contact you offline for this issue.

Regards,

Kevin Pham
 
M

Mark

Just for the record I wasn't bashing Microsoft and their products most
everything I have is Microsoft including my cell phone's operating system. I
was just stating fact that I was unable to get the module to work and the
company that wrote it was unable to help me.

I am very excited to hear about the next version and it's deep integration.
You have made my day.
 
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Mark

Kevin, thank you for the post about the next version of SBA and it's
integration, being much deeper with RMS. That makes me very happy. Do you
have any estimated time frame when it will be released, if you can't answer
that I understand. I have given up on the current RMS connector, and will
wait for the next version.
 
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Jeff

Kevin,

Maybe post this in the reseller boards you will get some responses too.

But this is a MSPOS and SBA issue, I thinks that's on board for a CY2007
release right?

How about an RMS to SBA update?

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Hello,

The next version of SBA and MSPOS will have deep integration. If you give
us our email address, we will contact you offline for this issue.

Regards,

Kevin Pham
 
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Jeff

Amy,

I'm saying all of this because MS has positioned it this way.

Just like you, I too have been running it on SBS since Beta and all of us
bitched to MS about getting it to run on SBS. They released try this's and
that's and after a few attempts made it work and MS finally released a buggy
whitepaper and has finally issued one that works, for SBS, in Nov. 2005, I
think the same month SBA was released.

But, Mark hasn't mentioned that he has SBS, he has plain jane SQL 2K, its a
different setup and NOT explained in any whitepaper per se. You CAN glean
it from the SBS whitepaper though, again, ONLY if you know what you are
doing!!

MS has positioned SBS as the end all for all SMBs, so the uninformed push it
on SMBs. I walk into many small, 1-5 employee stores that have SBS sitting
there. The don't need Exchange, Outlook , ISA and in most cases the hassle
of a $3k dedicated server in the first place. Their needs are simple and
yet MS and some resellers constantly push SBS down their throats.

Yes, I agree that SBS is an awesome product, but only for the right
installations!
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First, infrastructure and database administration is difficult, and that's
why I post so often on the need for POS resellers to either partner with
infrastructure experts, or hire on the expertise themselves instead of
complaining about the awesome products that MSFT gives us to help our
clients leverage their technolgoy to grow their business.

Second, we have been running SBA on SQL since the middle of the BETA and it
isn't THAT difficult if you know infrastructure and netoworking and SQL.
Again, if you don't know how the technology works, don't put it down. Find
someone to contract this work out to, or hire it.

Third, if 50% of the business who have deployed SBS are only using 50% of it
then it's the consultant/vendor who sold them SBS who screwed that deal up.
We see this ALL the time. A consultant or company who sells point of sale
software to a small retailer who thinks that they can just follow the
wizards in SBS and call themselves an infrastructure expert. Why frown on an
awesome product for the SMB space when the consultant deploying it doesn't
know anything about infrastructure?

--
Mobitech Lady

Amy Luby
Mobitech
402.330.0707
www.mobitechonline.com
 
J

Jeff

Mark,

He said POS, not RMS! They are different, but similar products. Consider
POS the seed of the next version of RMS, just as QuickSell 2k was the father
of RMS.

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Kevin, thank you for the post about the next version of SBA and it's
integration, being much deeper with RMS. That makes me very happy. Do you
have any estimated time frame when it will be released, if you can't answer
that I understand. I have given up on the current RMS connector, and will
wait for the next version.
 
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Mobitech Lady

See in-line comments preceeded by AL...

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Mobitech Lady

Amy Luby
Mobitech
402.330.0707
www.mobitechonline.com
Jeff said:
Amy,

I'm saying all of this because MS has positioned it this way.

Just like you, I too have been running it on SBS since Beta and all of us
bitched to MS about getting it to run on SBS. They released try this's
and
that's and after a few attempts made it work and MS finally released a
buggy
whitepaper and has finally issued one that works, for SBS, in Nov. 2005, I
think the same month SBA was released.

But, Mark hasn't mentioned that he has SBS, he has plain jane SQL 2K, its
a
different setup and NOT explained in any whitepaper per se. You CAN glean
it from the SBS whitepaper though, again, ONLY if you know what you are
doing!!
AL - SBS includes "plain" SQL. The bits and bytes are exactly the same.
Yes, you should know what you are doing with SQL whether it be SQL on SBS or
standalone SQL if you are selling and supporting RMS.
MS has positioned SBS as the end all for all SMBs, so the uninformed push
it
on SMBs. I walk into many small, 1-5 employee stores that have SBS
sitting
there. The don't need Exchange, Outlook , ISA and in most cases the
hassle
of a $3k dedicated server in the first place. Their needs are simple and
yet MS and some resellers constantly push SBS down their throats.
AL - SBS Premium (the one that includes SQL & ISA) retails for $1500. About
the same cost for stand alone SQL Server. . SBS Standard retails for
$500.00.

What small business is NOT using email? WHat small business could not
benefit from collaboration, communication, remote access, security? There
are a few small businesses who would find value in collaboration,
communication, remote & security, but for those that do when you look at the
cost of purchasing stand alone SQL server and SBS Premium for 5 users the
cost is about the same. EXEPT that with SBS Premium you get SO MUCH MORE
VALUE that when leveraged can increase your client's productivity and their
bottom line. For a solutions provider to provide SBS support vs. SQL
support there is no increased cost to the client for those services. In
fact, a properly configured SBS server requires about 15 to 30 minutes per
month of routine administration. Problem is that it is rare to find a line
of business application provider that knows anything about infrastructure
support.
Yes, I agree that SBS is an awesome product, but only for the right
installations!
AL - Frankly, there are very few instances where SBS is not the best choice
for a small business infrastructure foundation. The problem is, as stated
above, there are very few line of business app vendors who really know
anything about supporting infrastructure (client/server based networks).
SO, instead of either learning how to administer client/server networks or
partnering with someone who does they either say SBS is uneccessary or try
to install it thinking it's easy and screw it up/
 
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Kevin Pham [MSFT]

Yeah. I believe RMS will be tightly integrated with SBA.

Regards,

Kevin Pham
 
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Skip_Cycle

This is from a Microsoft discussion back in July:

"Niranj[MSFT] (Expert):
Q: What is the best accounting system for RMS integration right now, and can
you describe the roadmap for any integration plans with SBA or SBF?
A: RMS integrates with Great Plains, Small Business Manager, Dynamics,
eEnterprise, Quickbooks etc. We tightly integrate with Quickbooks and we do
have plans to integrate with SBA and SBF in the future."

Still waiting here Kevin. I don't want to know what you "believe" will
happen. I want to know what really will happen. Quote me some newer improved
updated intelligence from the land of Redmond. So far it's been all talk.
 
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