social security numbers are not mandatory


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joecin145777

social security numbers are not mandatory so when your child is born
...while they are still in the nursery, the government will send
somebody to try to get you to sign your child up for a social securitty
number and they will insist that it s mandatory. it is not mandatory and
you should tell them to go to hell.
no body in this country can legally force anyone to sign up or claim
anything.
the government will be more than happy to take your childs property
one day...there is no hurry.
there is no requirement in this country to have a social security
number for anything, other than paying taxes.
you dont need one to obtain or keep a job in this country and you
would be very wise to refuse to sign your child up.
j rollins
 
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Richard Macdonald

social security numbers are not mandatory so when your child is born
..while they are still in the nursery, the government will send
somebody to try to get you to sign your child up for a social securitty
number and they will insist that it s mandatory. it is not mandatory and
you should tell them to go to hell.
Sure, you only need their SSN in order to claim the exemption.
no body in this country can legally force anyone to sign up or claim
anything.
the government will be more than happy to take your childs property
one day...there is no hurry.
there is no requirement in this country to have a social security
number for anything, other than paying taxes.
Yes, but if you want to be employed, your employer will need
your SSN for payroll and unemployment tas reporting purposes.
you dont need one to obtain or keep a job in this country and you
would be very wise to refuse to sign your child up.
Sure, go ahead and pay more taxes than are required by law.
 
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Wayne Brasch

social security numbers are not mandatory so when your child is born
..while they are still in the nursery, the government will send
somebody to try to get you to sign your child up for a social securitty
number and they will insist that it s mandatory. it is not mandatory and
you should tell them to go to hell.
no body in this country can legally force anyone to sign up or claim
anything.
the government will be more than happy to take your childs property
one day...there is no hurry.
there is no requirement in this country to have a social security
number for anything, other than paying taxes.
you dont need one to obtain or keep a job in this country and you
would be very wise to refuse to sign your child up.
j rollins
If you go by this poster's advise, you will miss the opportunity to reduce
your adjusted gross income on your Federal income tax return by $3,050 for
2003 for each child you have but cannot claim because of not having a Social
Security Number for them. This is not a good plan.

Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation
 
J

joecin145777

if you do get your child(signed up)for a ssn you are only helping these
irs cohorts to secure more slaves for the system.they will be as much a
slave as yourself. unless of course you dont use a ssn and are not
subject to the irc.in which case there would be no claim to make .only
those who posses the requisites of the term "taxpayer" are subject to
the code.
only those subject to the code are required to file.if you have a ssn
you are already in the system..if you dont, you will not be able to
collect ssn benefits...but thats ok because there is no guarantee that
you will anyway and nobody can force you to claim a benefit...you can
stop filing if you are not required to file (tax situations change all
the time)but it will be more difficult if you have been filing for
years.
if you make any claim you have the burden of proof....so dont claim
anything and wait for them to make the claim, then the burden of proof
is on them and thats where you want to keep it.let them do all the
claiming.
j r
 
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Wayne Brasch

if you do get your child(signed up)for a ssn you are only helping these
irs cohorts to secure more slaves for the system.they will be as much a
slave as yourself. unless of course you dont use a ssn and are not
subject to the irc.in which case there would be no claim to make .only
those who posses the requisites of the term "taxpayer" are subject to
the code.
only those subject to the code are required to file.if you have a ssn
you are already in the system..if you dont, you will not be able to
collect ssn benefits...but thats ok because there is no guarantee that
you will anyway and nobody can force you to claim a benefit...you can
stop filing if you are not required to file (tax situations change all
the time)but it will be more difficult if you have been filing for
years.
if you make any claim you have the burden of proof....so dont claim
anything and wait for them to make the claim, then the burden of proof
is on them and thats where you want to keep it.let them do all the
claiming.
j r
So what you are saying is that from now on everyone who has children should
not allow them to enter the Social Security System in order, to some degree
(however small it may be) be able to live a little better when they reach
retirement age (whatever that will be at that time). Did I interpret you
correctly? You just want the parents to think of themselves right now. Is
that correct?

Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation
 
R

Redan Weep

Wayne Brasch said:
So what you are saying is that from now on everyone who has children should
not allow them to enter the Social Security System in order, to some degree
(however small it may be) be able to live a little better when they reach
retirement age (whatever that will be at that time). Did I interpret you
correctly? You just want the parents to think of themselves right now. Is
that correct?

Wayne Brasch, CPA, M. S. Taxation
Your logic circuits must resemble a rat's nest.

Whatever the effect on the parents' finances, a person with no SSN is not
bothered the least by the IRS. I personally know several of various ages.
They tell me that it's a hassle to educate employers, but they've never been
jobless for the lack of a SSN. One of them has a second generation,
SSN-free, son. They get hassled, but don't have any legal or financial
problems because of it.

Although I naively applied for a SSN when I was a teenager, I personally do
not give a SSN to any employer, bank, insurance co, or doctor.

But then neither do I give a police officer a drivers license when I'm
pulled over, nor a pistol permit when they notice my handguns. I've been
stuffed into the back of a squad car several times and subjected to 30 to 45
minute interrogations, but they have yet to intimidate or arrest me, or
seize any of my personal property. Actually, it is quite obvious to the
casual observer that I scare the shit out of them, individually and
collectively. When they do finally let me walk back to my vehicle and drive
away, it is usually with one or more of them crouched behind their car door
with their handguns or shotguns trained on me. When asked why they respond
that way, I've been told, "We don't trust you." and "You've got me seriously
out-gunned here." (Don't try this at home folks, unless you've studied the
law at length and are willing to risk being falsely arrested to prove your
point, or even be shot. I have and I am - never been shot tho.)

A good friend of mine has managed to prevent "the system" from establishing
its parasitic attachment to all seven of his children. Yet, he lives quite
well and tells me that he has no "tax problem". His wife doesn't work
outside the home and the kids are all receiving a good education (with few
exceptions, only possible by home schooling) and are quite active in sports.

My point is, IF you're willing to make the effort to educate yourself and
stand up against "authority" or "the system", you don't "need" a SSN and
you're better off without it. If making waves makes you uncomfortable, go
get your SSN; with the government having become a monster, it is, even in a
non-biblical sense, the "mark of the beast."

I would imagine sheep look pretty tasty to monsters.
 
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