The DWP is revolting


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Mike

Niteawk said:
LOL, A bit ironic isnt it when they spend all their time telling the
unemployed that the minimum wage is a fair rate pay.
They should sack the lot of them, theres plenty of unemployed out there
who would not mind getting paid for doing next to nothing.
They are always recruiting niteawk
Mike
 
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Niteawk

Mike said:
They are always recruiting niteawk
Mike
Not at my JC they are not, I have never seen a vacancy there, then again I
dont think they advertise for white people. All the new staff I have seen
are a few shades darker than me.
 
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Mike

Niteawk said:
Not at my JC they are not, I have never seen a vacancy there, then again
I dont think they advertise for white people. All the new staff I have
seen are a few shades darker than me.
More proof that you're not really actively seeking - the DWP always
advertises in the local press as well as in it's own JC.

Mike
 
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Niteawk

Mike said:
More proof that you're not really actively seeking - the DWP always
advertises in the local press as well as in it's own JC.

Mike
You are typical of the mind set that deals with benefits, what the hell are
you talking about.There is or has not been any vacancies advertised at my JC
that I know of,I always ask when I sign on, that covers my job search.
Funny thing is they dont make a note of that on the system, but I do, it
goes in my book as a job application along with the name of the fool I
asked.
 
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mart2306

You are typical of the mind set that deals with benefits, what the hell are
you talking about.There is or has not been any vacancies advertised at my JC
that I know of,I always ask when I sign on, that covers my job search.
Funny thing is they dont make a note of that on the system, but I do, it
goes in my book as a job application along with the name of the fool I
asked.- Hide quoted text -

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Ah, there we have it.
'that you know of'.

You have to actually look for vacancies to find them. Main local press
on jobs night, plus the computer system under admin jobs in that area.
Not sure if the JC staff would be told there's a recruitment going on
- after all, they already have the jobs there.

Martin <><
 
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Mr Mo

They are always recruiting niteawk

I thought they were making 12000 redundant?

Odd they are recruiting.

What I would say to peolple from the DWP on strike - if you don't like
it, you don't have to work there!

Get another job...
 
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Mike

Mr said:
I thought they were making 12000 redundant?

Odd they are recruiting.

What I would say to peolple from the DWP on strike - if you don't like
it, you don't have to work there!

Get another job...
By that reasoning there would never be any industrial disputes.

Mike
 
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mart2306

By that reasoning there would never be any industrial disputes.

Mike
I've no problem with industrial disputes. Over such issues as
treatment of staff members.
But over pay? No, to me someone who doesn't like the pay can always go
elsewhere to get the pay they feel they deserve.

Much of the reduction in staffing is sorted out by less recruitment
than people leaving (and people do leave, some offices have above 25%
leaving rate).
Even shutting some offices down - always a good way to encourage
people to leave (they told my old unit's Derby staff they'd have to go
to Birmingham, Milton Keynes or Merry Hill near Dudley).

Staff leaving is hard to plan though - you still need people to do
certain work, and not often that people want to transfer in at the
right level. So they recruit.
They've been recruiting several times a year for various offices in my
local town over the past 9 years. Despite moves even back then to
reduce staffing, they've had to recruit to keep the offices running at
even some efficiency.

Martin <><
 
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Frank Sidebottom

You are typical of the mind set that deals with benefits, what the hell are
you talking about.There is or has not been any vacancies advertised at my JC
that I know of,I always ask when I sign on, that covers my job search.
Funny thing is they dont make a note of that on the system, but I do, it
goes in my book as a job application along with the name of the fool I
asked.
There's always jobs where I work, but that's because they're always
haemorraging staff because so many people are demoralised and have
left. As for those who are left, if you asked them if they were
looking for work elsewhere and they said no, they'd be lying.
 
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Mr Mo

By that reasoning there would never be any industrial disputes.
You realise there are 10 educated Polish people that will do your job
for less?

It's capitalism - get used to it. The market should decide what you
get paid, just like the rest of us in the private sector.

Did you notice how little this dispute made the news. I doubt
you'll get public support. Consequently, you've lost two days pay for
nothing
 
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mart2306

You realise there are 10 educated Polish people that will do your job
for less?

It's capitalism - get used to it.  The market should decide what you
get paid, just like the rest of us in the private sector.

Did you notice how little this dispute made the news.    I doubt
you'll get public support.  Consequently, you've lost two days pay for
nothing
They always strike over pay or job losses. And always get low pay
awards and job losses.
With governments (both Conservative and Labour) wanting to keep other
people's pay award down by keeping the government worker pay awards
down, pay isn't really a reason to do the job.
Overtime might be - I did 10 years in the civil service, 7 of them
with over £10k worth of overtime. Despite every year the management
saying there was no money for overtime.


Martin <><
 
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Mr Mo

With governments (both Conservative and Labour) wanting to keep other
people's pay award down by keeping the government worker pay awards
down, pay isn't really a reason to do the job.
The government wouldn't pay the police back pay after their pay
award. Do people really think they're increase wages at the DWP?

It is obvious that UK PLC is short of cash.

Whats the anecdote on public sector pensions and how much tax is used
to pay for them?

As the government say, and I tend to agree with them - pay rises can
only be afforded on productivity increases.
 
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mart2306

The government wouldn't pay the police back pay after their pay
award.  Do people really think they're increase wages at the DWP?

It is obvious that UK PLC is short of cash.

Whats the anecdote on public sector pensions and how much tax is used
to pay for them?

As the government say, and I tend to agree with them - pay rises can
only be afforded on productivity increases.
Trouble is, productivity is affected by the government IT systems
(which aren't even always running), government interference,
government policies and government laws.
Plus staff training (which can be crap) and staff experience. And crap
managers who don't recognise different ways of doing things (think
pointy haired boss from Dilbert comic strip if you know it).

I'm just glad I'm not in the civil service anymore.

Martin <><
 
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Mr Mo

Trouble is, productivity is affected by the government IT systems
Same in the private sector.

Yet in the private sector - wages are only related to profit.

I do get a bit fed up with civil servants thinking the world owes them
a living - it doesn't.

I work for low wages, less than DWP typically pay - I probably work
harder, certainly worse hours. Yet, but tax bill is rising.
 
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mart2306

Same in the private sector.

Yet in the private sector - wages are only related to profit.
Wages have little link to profit.
Profit sharing does, but workers expect a pay rise even when the
company makes no profit whatsoever.
I do get a bit fed up with civil servants thinking the world owes them
a living - it doesn't.
True.
Just like it doesn't owe anyone else a living.

I work for low wages, less than DWP typically pay - I probably work
harder, certainly worse hours. Yet, but tax bill is rising.
Martin <><
 
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Mike

Mr said:
Enter PCS...
Two companies contracting to the DWP for the various schemes the JCP use
have gone under in recent months, I don't think they are finding it as
profitable as they thought!

Going back to the original point, I'm entitled to strike over pay, there
was a legal democratic vote and there's 'nowt you or the DWP can do
about it! I'm sure many people will be pushed over the edge and will
leave as a result of the derisory pay offer for many it averages at 1%
over 3 years and for those who get a reasonable pay rise (i.e around 4%)
it has an adverse effects on their pay in the medium to long term.

As an aside I can earn back the 2 days lost pay by simply going in on
overtime when the ban ends in a month for 1 day at double time. The DWP
is desperate for it's staff to work overtime and it's been on offer
constantly in my office for nearly two years now and shows no sign of
abating. The sat/sunday's that my office isn't open is when the
computer system is unavailable and that's about 20% of the time. I
know processing staff who pull in 6-7k of overtime a year. Approx 20%
of the work cleared by my office is done on overtime when there are no
calls or other interuptions.

Hell I'll strike every month indefinitely even if they give me 20% and
just take the extra days off!

Mike
 
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Mr Mo

Mike,

I'm sure you are entitled to strike, but I'm also sure the DWP are
entitled to sack you for doing it.

I remember the miners strike back in the 80's. I think they felt
confident until the unions assets where sequestrated. I know Labour
are more union friendly that the Tories, but I think if you push it,
they'll do what Thatcher did.

I don't think you've factored in the UK's public finances being in
such a mess, there isn't the money there to give you a pay rise.
We're looking at a slowdown or possible recession this year into next,
the governments are already borrowed up to the hilt, and you want a
pay rise.

What you are doing is advancing the pace of DWP privatisation.

You have had two 48 strikes now, and so far no pay rise. You may well
be walking into a trap. You don't have public support. I can see the
government using you as election propaganda.
 

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