TV licence again.


L

Lackey

I see its a well debated subject on here, where do shops like Dixsons and
Currys stand as regards the TV licence law, do they have to have a TV
licence to sell TV's & VCR's.
If yes, how many licences would they need, one to cover all stores or one
per store.
Do they get a discount or are they exempt.
 
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Rob

Lackey wrote:
| I see its a well debated subject on here, where do shops like Dixsons
| and Currys stand as regards the TV licence law, do they have to have
| a TV licence to sell TV's & VCR's.
| If yes, how many licences would they need, one to cover all stores or
| one per store.
| Do they get a discount or are they exempt.

Dunno but since the TVs are on and showing pictures, I would imagine
they need a licence, probably one per store.
 
Rob said:
Lackey wrote:
| I see its a well debated subject on here, where do shops like Dixsons
| and Currys stand as regards the TV licence law, do they have to have
| a TV licence to sell TV's & VCR's.
| If yes, how many licences would they need, one to cover all stores or
| one per store.
| Do they get a discount or are they exempt.

Dunno but since the TVs are on and showing pictures, I would imagine
they need a licence, probably one per store.
they probably have some sort of special licence as they are showing in
public, like a pub.
 
R

Robin T Cox

I see its a well debated subject on here, where do shops like Dixsons and
Currys stand as regards the TV licence law, do they have to have a TV
licence to sell TV's & VCR's.
If yes, how many licences would they need, one to cover all stores or one
per store.
Do they get a discount or are they exempt.
This is covered on the TV Licensing site, in the section on TV Dealers:
http://www.tv-l.co.uk/index_frameset.html
 
S

Susan

They are charged a nominal fee of about £2 .50p
This is really an admin charged to cover the cost of the books and paperwork
they are supplied with and they fill in regarding the names and addresses of
all people
who buy a tv , video , satalite or set top box equipment .
 
L

Lackey

Susan said:
They are charged a nominal fee of about £2 .50p
This is really an admin charged to cover the cost of the books and paperwork
they are supplied with and they fill in regarding the names and addresses of
all people
who buy a tv , video , satalite or set top box equipment .
This could be the loophole I am looking for, if I contact the TV licencing
and say I am a self employed retailer of secondhand TV's, could it work?
 
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Robbie

From: "Lackey" (e-mail address removed)
Date: 10/01/04 08:34 GMT Standard Time
Message-id: <[email protected]>




This could be the loophole I am looking for, if I contact the TV licencing
and say I am a self employed retailer of secondhand TV's, could it work?
nice try ;)

but you'll probably have to pay more in business rates than you pay in council
tax AND you'll be knocked off benefit ;) All this just to save £100 or so a
year...

To reply by e-mail REMOVE the obvious!
 
L

Lackey

Robbie said:
nice try ;)

but you'll probably have to pay more in business rates than you pay in council
tax AND you'll be knocked off benefit ;) All this just to save £100 or so a
year...

My sky tv has finally gone dead 12 months after I cancelled my subscription,
I thought they could not cut off the BBC channels but they have, the whole
lots gone, now they want me to pay £23.00 to get a new sky viewing card.
It looks like its back to the old analogue signal again :( I am thinking of
buying a VCR and just using it to watch videos, at least this way I do not
have to pay a licence fee.
 
M

Mike

My sky tv has finally gone dead 12 months after I cancelled my
subscription,
I thought they could not cut off the BBC channels but they have, the whole
lots gone, now they want me to pay £23.00 to get a new sky viewing card.
It looks like its back to the old analogue signal again :( I am thinking of
buying a VCR and just using it to watch videos, at least this way I do not
have to pay a licence fee.
Only if use use viewing equipment incapable of receiving a TV signal, inc
your VCR!!! Some ones designed more for CCT monitoring may not have a tuner
but then may not play ordinary tapes. The alt is to buy a VCR and have a TV
shop remove the tuner but I think this would be expensive. A DVD player
would be OK as would a PC but if it has a TV card in a license fee is req.

Mike
 
L

Lackey

Mike said:
Only if use use viewing equipment incapable of receiving a TV signal, inc
your VCR!!! Some ones designed more for CCT monitoring may not have a tuner
but then may not play ordinary tapes. The alt is to buy a VCR and have a TV
shop remove the tuner but I think this would be expensive. A DVD player
would be OK as would a PC but if it has a TV card in a license fee is req.

Mike
My understanding was/is, I would not need a licence if I do not receive
transmissions, ie plug an aerial, cable or dish into the TV, IOW it would
have to be set up to receive a signal for me to need a licence, no reception
= no licence fee.

I did not think that I needed to go to the extreme of having my TV butchered
to satisfy the TVLA that I am not receiving a signal, say I wanted to take a
break from the TV, but at some stage in the future I intend to start using
my TV again, it would not be much use to me if the innards had been removed.
You might as well say one needs a licence if they own a working TV set, this
is not in their rules AFAIK, I could be wrong (again).
 
A

Alan G

Only if use use viewing equipment incapable of receiving a TV signal, inc
your VCR!!! Some ones designed more for CCT monitoring may not have a tuner
but then may not play ordinary tapes. The alt is to buy a VCR and have a TV
shop remove the tuner but I think this would be expensive. A DVD player
would be OK as would a PC but if it has a TV card in a license fee is req.

Mike
Just needs detuned and not connected to an ariel.
 
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Zoe Brown

My understanding was/is, I would not need a licence if I do not receive
transmissions, ie plug an aerial, cable or dish into the TV, IOW it would
have to be set up to receive a signal for me to need a licence, no reception
= no licence fee.

I did not think that I needed to go to the extreme of having my TV butchered
to satisfy the TVLA that I am not receiving a signal, say I wanted to take a
break from the TV, but at some stage in the future I intend to start using
my TV again, it would not be much use to me if the innards had been removed.
You might as well say one needs a licence if they own a working TV set, this
is not in their rules AFAIK, I could be wrong (again).
If you de-tune your TV so that there is no picture you will be OK. TV
licensing may still try and charge you but they won't have a leg to stand
on.
 
Z

Zoe Brown

Mike said:
Only if use use viewing equipment incapable of receiving a TV signal, inc
your VCR!!! Some ones designed more for CCT monitoring may not have a tuner
but then may not play ordinary tapes. The alt is to buy a VCR and have a TV
shop remove the tuner but I think this would be expensive. A DVD player
would be OK as would a PC but if it has a TV card in a license fee is req.
wrong

http://www.tvlicensing.biz/info_on_tvlicensing/index.htm
 
M

Mike

Lackey said:
a

My understanding was/is, I would not need a licence if I do not receive
transmissions, ie plug an aerial, cable or dish into the TV, IOW it would
have to be set up to receive a signal for me to need a licence, no reception
= no licence fee.

I did not think that I needed to go to the extreme of having my TV butchered
to satisfy the TVLA that I am not receiving a signal, say I wanted to take a
break from the TV, but at some stage in the future I intend to start using
my TV again, it would not be much use to me if the innards had been removed.
You might as well say one needs a licence if they own a working TV set, this
is not in their rules AFAIK, I could be wrong (again).
No, if your equipment (TV,VCR or PC TV card) is capable of receiving it has
to be licenced. Otherwise everyone would argue that they don't use the
receiver part and just use the video/dvd to play pre recorded media.

I suppose if you lived somewhere it was impossible to receive a terrestrial
signal and you didn't have satellite or cable then you would be able to say
it's not capable of receiving and therefore doesn't need a licence (I would
check this before trying it tho'!!). If like me you can receive a
terrestrial signal then how do the TV licensing auth know your not using the
tuner? Even without a TV arial on your roof you could use a portable one
and then quickly hide it when the TV detector vans come around.

The detector vans detect the signal given out by part of the CRT (a
component called the 'local oscillator'), therefore they don't know the
difference between a comp. monitor and a TV. If you only had a PC without a
tuner card the TV detector could come a knocking but after they've confirmed
you can't get a TV signal you would be OK.

I doubt if they could detect either a plasma or LCD TV, they would know you
didn't have a licence but as long as you didn't give you correct address
when purchasing the equipment they would never know you had it. As you can
get sub £200 LCD monitors and purchace a tuner card (giving an address where
a licence is held e.g your mums) you could in the long run save yourself
some money. I suppose if these are undetectable and they become cheaper and
the norm then TV yearly licensing will go out the window, they'll probably
slap a one off fee on the purchase price or something.

Mike
 
Z

Zoe Brown

take

No, if your equipment (TV,VCR or PC TV card) is capable of receiving it has
to be licenced. Otherwise everyone would argue that they don't use the
receiver part and just use the video/dvd to play pre recorded media.
you are wrong. this has been proven in court many times, the TV licence
people have you brain washed !!
I suppose if you lived somewhere it was impossible to receive a terrestrial
signal and you didn't have satellite or cable then you would be able to say
it's not capable of receiving and therefore doesn't need a licence (I would
check this before trying it tho'!!). If like me you can receive a
terrestrial signal then how do the TV licensing auth know your not using the
tuner? Even without a TV arial on your roof you could use a portable one
and then quickly hide it when the TV detector vans come around.
Well if they can't prove it !
The detector vans detect the signal given out by part of the CRT (a
component called the 'local oscillator'), therefore they don't know the
difference between a comp. monitor and a TV. If you only had a PC without a
tuner card the TV detector could come a knocking but after they've confirmed
you can't get a TV signal you would be OK.

I doubt if they could detect either a plasma or LCD TV, they would know you
didn't have a licence but as long as you didn't give you correct address
when purchasing the equipment they would never know you had it. As you can
get sub £200 LCD monitors and purchace a tuner card (giving an address where
a licence is held e.g your mums) you could in the long run save yourself
some money. I suppose if these are undetectable and they become cheaper and
the norm then TV yearly licensing will go out the window, they'll probably
slap a one off fee on the purchase price or something.
They don't use detectors !! They simply have a database of people who are
licensed and those that are not usually get visits, sometimes without the
company even trying to check to see if they own a TV, in the hope that they
will just send the money. Anybody purchasing new equipment are crossed
checked with the database.
 
Z

Zoe Brown

Mike said:
have take

No, if your equipment (TV,VCR or PC TV card) is capable of receiving it has
to be licenced. Otherwise everyone would argue that they don't use the
receiver part and just use the video/dvd to play pre recorded media.
"A television licence is legal permission to install and use television
equipment to receive or record television broadcast signals. Under the
Broadcasting Act 1990, you need a television licence to receive or record
television programmes. This applies if you use equipment to receive or
record BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, satellite, or cable
programs. If you are watching 'Sky', or any other satellite service,
controlled from within the UK, you must have a television licence.", M. W.
D. Kimball Customer Services.

so if the tv was not receiving (nt connected and de-tuned) they cannot force
you to pay for a licence....
 
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Alan G

"A television licence is legal permission to install and use television
equipment to receive or record television broadcast signals. Under the
Broadcasting Act 1990, you need a television licence to receive or record
television programmes. This applies if you use equipment to receive or
record BBC 1, BBC 2, ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, satellite, or cable
programs. If you are watching 'Sky', or any other satellite service,
controlled from within the UK, you must have a television licence.", M. W.
D. Kimball Customer Services.

so if the tv was not receiving (nt connected and de-tuned) they cannot force
you to pay for a licence....
Or if you only have it tuned to receive satellite services not
controlled from within the EU.
 
M

Mike

Zoe Brown said:

You would be taking a big risk following the advice on the website as it has
yet to be proven in court. I think the article 10 argument is a bit
spurious myself as not having a TV won't prevent you from receiving or
imparting info.freely. With so many other forms of free speech available
that's plainly not true. What's next? trying to abolish the VAT on TVs
which could be compared to a license fee as it is interfering with the same
right to own and watch a TV. Ideed any form of taxation on any form of
information receiving device (e.g PC) could fall foul of this article if he
is sucessful.

I seriously doubt that whoever first thought of human rights had this kind
of crap in mind.

Personally I would welcome the abolition of the TV licence but I'm not about
to offer myself as a martyr for the sake of £10 per month, if we could
somehow get a million or so people to all stop paying at pretty much the
same time the campaign would probably be sucessful, the system would be
overloaded and every politician would jump on the bandwagon eager to attract
a share of those half a million votes.

I have signed the petition though and will await the outcome eagerly!!

Mike
 
B

Bill

Zoe Brown said:
take

If you de-tune your TV so that there is no picture you will be OK. TV
licensing may still try and charge you but they won't have a leg to stand
on.
If you have a TV Video sat you need a licence ( assuming they have tuners in
them) - does anyone remember rediffussion teles without Tuners?
 
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Fred

Pat Winstanley said:
It's (Jobcentre) also in the Shorter Oxford Dictionary (1973 edition)
that we have here... again, your local library should have a reference
copy.

You know, given that a "Jobcentre" is a British thing rather than an
American thing, you'll be much better off trying to look it up in a
British English, rather than American English dictionary.

Several of these dictionaries are online, but you need a subscription to
access them. On the other hand someone on benefits can usually take an
OU course with the fees paid for them, and get access online to all
sorts of usually subscription only refrence sites.

You might want to look into doing that for yourself, to help your
employment prospects as well as just learning something that interests
you. You will need to be aged 18 or over though and on a low enough
household income to be able to qualify for some things like CTB in order
to get the course fees paid for you.

Here's the contact URL:

http://www.open.ac.uk
I use Wordweb at http://www.wordweb.co.uk. There is a free version. I find
jobcentre in mine!

(United Kingdom) a government office in a town where information about
available jobs is displayed and where unemployment benefits are administered
 

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