What does it mean to be middle class?


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Jacob Rosse

I know it is probable a bizarre definition but how do you know if you are
middle class or not. I thought I was working class like my parents but my
friends say I am middle class since I went to uni and earn a good salary and
have a mortgage. I tell them that i cant be middle class because I dont
have any children and send them to private school amd I dont drink wine.

The question is only really a bit of fun but does anyone have a definition
or a link to a site on the UK class system.
 
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Cubik

Do you like Dire Straits and think "Brothers in Arms" is one of the best
albums ever made?

Did you have a BBC micro when you were at school when all the other kids had
C64s and Spectrums?

Do you own a tuxedo which you have worn more than once?


If you answer yes to at least 2 of the above then you are soooooo middle
class ;-)

Cubik.
 
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robert

I know it is probable a bizarre definition but how do you know if you are
middle class or not. I thought I was working class like my parents but my
friends say I am middle class since I went to uni and earn a good salary and
have a mortgage. I tell them that i cant be middle class because I dont
have any children and send them to private school amd I dont drink wine.

The question is only really a bit of fun but does anyone have a definition
or a link to a site on the UK class system.
If, in marketing terms, you are A or B you are middle class. E, D, and
C1 are working class.
 
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Paul

Just get worried when they class you as C4 , that when things start to get
very explosive.

C5 really is some way down the ranks , even a Robin owner is higher than
that.
 
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Dudley

I know it is probable a bizarre definition but how do you know if you are
If, in marketing terms, you are A or B you are middle class. E, D, and
C1 are working class.
By occupation, you can usually allocate the groups as follows:

GROUP A -
Professional Workers (lawyers, doctors etc.), Scientists, Managers of large
scale organisations.

GROUP B -

Shopkeepers, Farmers, Teachers, White-Collar workers.

GROUP C -

1. Skilled Manual (i.e. hand) workers - high grade e.g. Master Builders,
Carpenters, Shop Assistants, Nurses.

2. Skilled Manual - low grade e.g. electricians, plumbers.

GROUP D -

Semi-Skilled Manual e.g. bus drivers, lorry drivers, fitters.

GROUP E -

Unskilled Manual e.g. general labourers, barmen, porters

By birth I'd say I was group B on my mothers side and C1 on my father's
side, however, I've been to university, got myself a degree and now working
as a professional so from a classification point of view, I am group A.
However, taking it from where I live I am classed as a group B, C1 and C2
according to the www.upyourstreet.co.uk website which gives the social
classification based on your postcode and comparing the types of housing in
the local vicinity.
 
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john boyle

Jacob said:
I know it is probable a bizarre definition but how do you know if you are
middle class or not. I thought I was working class like my parents but my
friends say I am middle class since I went to uni and earn a good salary and
have a mortgage. I tell them that i cant be middle class because I dont
have any children and send them to private school amd I dont drink wine.
I know it was a joke but anyone who defines themselves or others as
being part of a 'class' worries me.
 
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Daytona

I know it is probable a bizarre definition but how do you know if you are
middle class or not.
Participating in this newsgroup is probably as good an indicator as any !

Daytona
 
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Peter Saxton

Participating in this newsgroup is probably as good an indicator as any !

Daytona
That suits me. I participate in this newsgroup so am I middle class or
not?
 
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Peter Saxton

It just means if you were WC you wouldn't have time to engage
in classy activities like news.

Personally, I find this class thing so last-century.
Considering that the vast majority of "middle class" people do
in fact work for a living, the desire to set themselves apart
from the "working class" seems pretty vacuous.
Having only two categories is ridiculous. The ABC1C2DE only relates to
employment. If you want to consider activities as well then it gets
very silly.
 
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Stephen Burke

Ronald Raygun said:
Personally, I find this class thing so last-century.
Considering that the vast majority of "middle class" people do
in fact work for a living, the desire to set themselves apart
from the "working class" seems pretty vacuous.
Many of the old differences have gone, e.g. weekly vs monthly pay, posession
of a bank account, university education, owned house vs. council house etc.
However, I think a lot of the cultural differences are intact. Traditional
middle class cultural values would be things like valuing education for its
own sake (e.g. university subjects like history or classics rather than
engineering), public service (being a magistrate, doing voluntary work, giving
old clothes to Oxfam rather than doing stunts for Comic Relief), enjoying
theatre and classical music, concealing your feelings under a layer of
artificial politeness, living for tomorrow rather than today (e.g. saving
rather than borrowing, mortgages aside) ... I think those things are still
there to a large extent. I don't personally think that posting to uk.finance
is an indication of being middle class (money is vulgar), but
rec.arts.theatre.* or uk.media.radio.archers probably are ... likewise knowing
(or indeed caring) who's on the Booker prize shortlist.
 
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Stephen Burke

Ronald Raygun said:
As my late father used to say, one shouldn't talk about money,
one should just have it.
But not, of course, by working for it (being a professional not counting as
work, that's public service).
And who says middle class and vulgarity are incompatible?
Anyone who's middle class, obviously :)
 

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