what now?


L

leslie

How will finding clothes to wear get me to work?

What are you talking about?

What does that mean? Did you post simply to criticise me? What does that
achieve?
Of course I am criticising you, people like you infuriate me.
Benefits are there to help you through a bad time, either through
unemploymeent or ilness, they are NOT there to keep you in a manner
of luxury. They are NOT there at your disposal and whim. You say
you now want another 150 pounds, what the **** for??, you have
been recieving benefit, that benefit is meant to allow you to
survive, nothing more. You are more fortunate than others as
you are living with parents.

I hope you have a bad time over the next couple of weeks
because then hopefully it will teach you the value of
money, hopefully it will teach you never to get into
this situation again, hopefully it will teach you to take
responsibility for your situation and not blame others or
the benefits system.
 
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leslie

This computer isnt worth selling it has been tampered with so much and was
second hand (and thus very cheap) to begin with; what i would be able to
seriously get for it wouldn't cover my travel expenses - and that assumes i
have a means to sell and a buyer. I don't live next door to cash converters
after all.
I knew it, yawn.....
are settled in your new job you can save up and buy another.

see above.


i dont know, do you?
Yes I did. And I was right. I dont know how old you are lad but if
you are over 18 years old then you should be ashamed of yourself,
if you are under 18 then your parents should be ashamed of themselves.
 
L

leslie

I have claimed up till that day, i have signed off early so as to get that
money in time. this will now not be the case.
You must have known that one day soon you were going to be required to
work for a living, yes?, or are you saying you didnt know it was
comming?. Dont insult my or anyone elses inteligence by comming here
moaning that you cannot even lay your hands on a fiver because I
wont beleive you. Someone in your houshold is paying for a internet
connection, someone in your houshold is paying for a phone, dont
come in here pleading family poverty, it wont work. If that person
paying those bills can afford those then they can afford to loan you
a few pounds. Dont tell me any different.
which it shouldnt be since the sanction period ended prior to the dates i am
claiming for thorugh signing off.
So its your fault you are in the position you are then isnt it?.
that plus the fact i am already paying one back which i have had to spend in
order to survie the sanction.


I have asked them for a letter. I am reluctant to ask for an advance for the
simple reason that i wont get one (fact). That and its poor reflection on me
as a potential employee.


im not going to be drawn into trying to justify a sanction. i know the
situation and i have lived with it for the past month. it is now over and as
far as i am concerned so should its effects.


i have been told by 3 people at the jobcentre that there is nothing the jc
can do. they may all be wrong but i doubt it and i am not going to
continually waste time dealing with them.
What you mean is they wont give you any more money, why should they
as you have had what you are entitled to, how much money do you bloody
want?..
the review form is apparently a routine form that determines whetheter i am
still eligible for payments. the jc think it is a mere formality but dont
bother to actually tell anyone that they need to fill in such a form until
they themselves bring it up. had i not enquired about signing off i would
never have know about such a thing until it was too late (ie until my money
hadnt arrived because of it). i signed on last thursday (last day of the
sanction also) and nothing was said even though i enquired about helpo
getting to work then as well. they have my address and phone number and
still dont bother to tell me i have to complete a form until i happen to get
in contact with them about something else. thats just poor.
It sounds as though they have washed their hands of you and I'm not
surprised. You will now just have to cope lad wont you.

Get on with it.
 
L

leslie

If someone can prove they have a job due to start then I would gladly give
them some form of grant to get them started (if necessary). No loans, no
nonsense, just a goodwill grant to help people achieve what both parties
want.
Why, why should the tax payer keep handing you out money after
money. If you get any more money from the tax payer then it
should be in the form of a loan only, to be paid back. It has
often occured to me why the benefits system doesnt introduce
an interest rate on loans, maybe just 2 or 3 percent, those
in genuine need or suffering an immediate crisis would not
mind that I'm sure, but it might deter the abuse of the system
more. This gimme gimme gimme attitude has got to stop.
One bank will be the same as another, I am not going to open an account with
every bank just to waste my time. I already have an account and I have
explored the options available to me as regards getting a small loan. I
don't qualify for an overdraft or a credit card - and i dont want a credit
card either.
That is about the most sensible thing you have said so far, a credit
card and you would no doubt be up to your eyes in debt by the end
of the year.
 
J

Jules

martin said:
I have claimed up till that day, i have signed off early so as to get that
money in time. this will now not be the case.


which it shouldnt be since the sanction period ended prior to the dates i am
claiming for thorugh signing off.
As i don't have access to your records i don't know the period of the
sanction so i can't tell whether the Crisis Loan would be affected or not.
The best option, as advised before, is to apply and ask for a review if you
don't get it.
that plus the fact i am already paying one back which i have had to spend in
order to survie the sanction.


I have asked them for a letter. I am reluctant to ask for an advance for the
simple reason that i wont get one (fact). That and its poor reflection on me
as a potential employee.


im not going to be drawn into trying to justify a sanction. i know the
situation and i have lived with it for the past month. it is now over and as
far as i am concerned so should its effects.
As I said, fair enough, i don't want to know about the sanction and i
haven't asked you to justify it.
the review form is apparently a routine form that determines whetheter i am
still eligible for payments. the jc think it is a mere formality but dont
bother to actually tell anyone that they need to fill in such a form until
they themselves bring it up. had i not enquired about signing off i would
never have know about such a thing until it was too late (ie until my money
hadnt arrived because of it). i signed on last thursday (last day of the
sanction also) and nothing was said even though i enquired about helpo
getting to work then as well. they have my address and phone number and
still dont bother to tell me i have to complete a form until i happen to get
in contact with them about something else. thats just poor.
Have you asked about a job grant, look on the jobcentreplus.gov.uk website
and see if it fits your circumstances. If you can't get this or the Crisis
Loan i would suggest making a new claim as soon as possible or you'll not
be able to get backdating.
 
M

martin

I knew it, yawn.....

knew what? this computer is not worth the kind of money you think it is and
thus it would be counter productive to do so.
 
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leslie

knew what? this computer is not worth the kind of money you think it is and
thus it would be counter productive to do so.
I can only afford second hand refurbished computers myself, so I
have an idea of the sort of price you could hope to get for it.
But it depends on how badly you need the money doesnt it?, even
twenty pounds could go some way to helping you. But thats not enough
for you is it, you want 150 pounds...
 
S

Sandy

martin said:
I don't know where to start with this. I have a job I can start, through,
pertemps, next week. It is a bus journey a way and has a dress code i need
to shop for. I signed off today (which alone isnt enough to cover the period
till i get paid which is a fortnight) only to find that, because of a month
long sanction, not only am i not eligible for any type of financial
assistance starting a job that I also have to fill in a 'review form' to
determine whether i can claim the money i am signing off for (ie ther period
till i start work). Given how understaffed the jobcentre are and how long
its going to take to send and return the form there is little garauntee that
i will see a payment before the weekend which will be too late.

As this amount of money isnt enough to pay a fortnight's bus travel, living
expenses and some clothes for the job and as I cannot get any assistance
(which includes budgeting loans) there is no way i can start this or any
other job unless i am lucky enough to find one locally.

Now I can accept being sanctioned (and i will not be drawn into a discussion
of whether i 'should' have done things or not) but to have that sanction not
only affect payments - fine - but make it impossible for me to claim
assistance in actually starting a job is crazy.

So what now? Lottery ticket i guess.
When I was on the dole I needed a new suit for an interview. I was given
£250 grant, which bought me a very nice suit, tie and shirt, which was in
the sale and would have cost over £400. I did get the job. Also when I
started work I got a job grant of £100. This was 6 months ago. The JC told
me that the money I got for the suit came from an individual JC budget and
was given out at the discretion of the JC. They DO give money out for things
like clothing as I got it.

Also what kind of clothes and size do you need? I may be able to help you
out.
 
M

martin

Selling my pc for £20 would prove ill advised and counter productive.
 
M

martin

They DO give money out for things

Yes they do, just not in all cases.
Also what kind of clothes and size do you need? I may be able to help you
out.
2 medium shirts and 2 pairs of smart trousers 34w 29l. This is what i have
budgeted for.
 
R

Rob

martin wrote:
| Selling my pc for £20 would prove ill advised and counter productive.

Yes and that would also mean having to miss out on further excellent
advice from the sanctimonious gits who expect you by now to have sold
both your kidneys.
 
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leslie

Selling my pc for £20 would prove ill advised and counter productive.
Then you are not that desperate for the money are you. If you were that
hardup for money you would sell it, even for twenty pounds.

Giving you ever more state benefits is ill advised and counter productive.

Admit it, you just want to try and milk the system for another handout
befor your job starts arent you?.
 
L

leslie

When I was on the dole I needed a new suit for an interview. I was given
£250 grant, which bought me a very nice suit, tie and shirt, which was in
the sale and would have cost over £400. I did get the job. Also when I
started work I got a job grant of £100. This was 6 months ago. The JC told
me that the money I got for the suit came from an individual JC budget and
was given out at the discretion of the JC. They DO give money out for things
like clothing as I got it.

Also what kind of clothes and size do you need? I may be able to help you
out.
Maybe I have this all wrong, are the benefits agencies really handing out
these kinds of sums of money to just buy a suit? Am I missing something
here?.

Ok, I am on Incapacity Benenfit, anyone got any sugestions how I
could screw 200 pounds out of them for free. What would I need to
say to them?.
 
S

Sandy

When I was on the dole I needed a new suit for an interview. I was given
£250 grant, which bought me a very nice suit, tie and shirt, which was in
the sale and would have cost over £400. I did get the job. Also when I
started work I got a job grant of £100. This was 6 months ago. The JC told
me that the money I got for the suit came from an individual JC budget and
was given out at the discretion of the JC. They DO give money out for things
like clothing as I got it.

Also what kind of clothes and size do you need? I may be able to help you
out.
Maybe I have this all wrong, are the benefits agencies really handing out
these kinds of sums of money to just buy a suit? Am I missing something
here?.

Ok, I am on Incapacity Benenfit, anyone got any sugestions how I
could screw 200 pounds out of them for free. What would I need to
say to them?.

I didnt screw anything out of them. I had to provide the reciepts. I didnt
just spend the money on what I wanted. I said I need a suit for an
interview. They told me to go up to £200. I got one for £250 and was
prepared to foot the other £50 myself, but they paid the lot. Also I got the
job (A very well paid one) after 18 months of being on the dole. A classy
suit helped give the right impression.
 
L

leslie

Maybe I have this all wrong, are the benefits agencies really handing out
these kinds of sums of money to just buy a suit? Am I missing something
here?.

Ok, I am on Incapacity Benenfit, anyone got any sugestions how I
could screw 200 pounds out of them for free. What would I need to
say to them?.

I didnt screw anything out of them. I had to provide the reciepts. I didnt
just spend the money on what I wanted. I said I need a suit for an
interview. They told me to go up to £200. I got one for £250 and was
prepared to foot the other £50 myself, but they paid the lot. Also I got the
job (A very well paid one) after 18 months of being on the dole. A classy
suit helped give the right impression.
Ah so you had to provide reciepts, well thats a relief, for a moment
I thought the benefits system had gone completely barmy.

I still think that is a lot of money for a suit but as long as you
had to provide a reciept then I supose thats the way it is.
 
M

martin

Then you are not that desperate for the money are you. If you were that
hardup for money you would sell it, even for twenty pounds.

You aren't making any sense.

It is pointless continuing a dialog with you
 
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L

leslie

hardup for money you would sell it, even for twenty pounds.

You aren't making any sense.
oh yes I am
It is pointless continuing a dialog with you
You mean you have been rumbled you mean.

Are you going to take Sandy up on any offer of clothes
he/she may be able to make, cos depending on how far
apart you both are and assuming they would be sent
via the post, you do realise that for the same cost of the postage
you could probably get the same or similar from your local
Oxfam/second hand shop. That is assuming of course that you would
do the decent thing and pay the postage yourself. But somehow I
doubt you would even think of that would you, just expect it all
for free.
 
M

martin

oh yes I am

This isn't a competition and you are entitled to believe what you wish about
me. I have no desire you compete with you.
Are you going to take Sandy up on any offer of clothes
That would be between me and him, if he is kind enough to offer anything
suitable (ie that fits).
Oxfam/second hand shop. That is assuming of course that you would
do the decent thing and pay the postage yourself. But somehow I
doubt you would even think of that would you, just expect it all
Again issues of postage would be betweeen me and him.

I'm sorry you feel so bitter, anything else i say would be condescending and
i have already said that i wasn't going to reply.

Thank you for your concern. this will be my last post. If Sandy wants to
contact me about clothing then he is free to do so.
 
L

leslie

This isn't a competition and you are entitled to believe what you wish about
me. I have no desire you compete with you.


That would be between me and him, if he is kind enough to offer anything
suitable (ie that fits).


Again issues of postage would be betweeen me and him.

I'm sorry you feel so bitter, anything else i say would be condescending and
i have already said that i wasn't going to reply.
I'm far from bitter, but then I have money in my possesion, I'm not
skint, there were times when I was skint and hungry but I learnt
my lessons, even though I am on benefits myself I at least am
gratefull for that assistance and will do all I can to never have
to go hungry again because of my stupidity. That is something I
hope you will learn over the next couple of weeks because what
would you have done had you been living on your own without parents
or anyone else around to help you at this time.
Thank you for your concern. this will be my last post. If Sandy wants to
contact me about clothing then he is free to do so.
Good, hope you like the job too.
 
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P

Pat Winstanley

Subject: Re: what now?
From: "martin" <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 22:32:24 +0000 (UTC)
Newsgroups: uk.gov.social-security
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Organization: BT Openworld


If someone can prove they have a job due to start then I would gladly give
them some form of grant to get them started (if necessary). No loans, no
nonsense, just a goodwill grant to help people achieve what both parties
want.
So ask your new boss for a sub.
 

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