Where is this newsgroup hosted?


J

JCS

Where this newsgroup hosted?

I want to search the archives, and can't find them. I use Outlook Express
as my newsreader, and for some reason it only keeps a day or two's worth of
messages in my local file.

Need to get to the native newsgroup - thanks in advance.
 
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pb

JCS said:
Where this newsgroup hosted?

I want to search the archives, and can't find them. I use Outlook Express
as my newsreader, and for some reason it only keeps a day or two's worth of
messages in my local file.

Need to get to the native newsgroup - thanks in advance.
Usenet has no central hub, but you can search archives at google
under "groups". And you can get a newsreader that saves messages,
such as Agent.

p.
 
S

Steve

groups.google.com will have full archives

pb said:
Usenet has no central hub, but you can search archives at google
under "groups". And you can get a newsreader that saves messages,
such as Agent.

p.
 
J

JCS

thanks all - google it is!
pb said:
Usenet has no central hub, but you can search archives at google
under "groups". And you can get a newsreader that saves messages,
such as Agent.

p.
 
D

David H. Lipman

It depends. Take Microsoft News Groups for example. msnews.microsoft.com is the source
NNTP server for all UseNet so the bucks starts there.

Dave




| JCS wrote:
|
| > Where this newsgroup hosted?
| >
| > I want to search the archives, and can't find them. I use Outlook Express
| > as my newsreader, and for some reason it only keeps a day or two's worth of
| > messages in my local file.
| >
| > Need to get to the native newsgroup - thanks in advance.
|
| Usenet has no central hub, but you can search archives at google
| under "groups". And you can get a newsreader that saves messages,
| such as Agent.
|
| p.
 
A

Andrew DeFaria

David said:
It depends. Take Microsoft News Groups for example.
msnews.microsoft.com is the source NNTP server for all UseNet so the
bucks starts there.
That's not the Usenet in the true sense of the term. That's dedicated
hosting that MS does for it's specific newsgroups. In general, however,
there is no "host" for the Usenet.
 
D

David H. Lipman

There is always a source server. Someone has to host the original data but it is replicated
throughout UseNet. Each administrator of each NNTP server can decide what News Groups to
carry how long the data will reside on the server before being purged.

It is UseNet in the "true" sense, it's just a case of not everyone understanding the UseNet
"blackbox".

Dave




| David H. Lipman wrote:
|
| > It depends. Take Microsoft News Groups for example.
| > msnews.microsoft.com is the source NNTP server for all UseNet so the
| > bucks starts there.
|
| That's not the Usenet in the true sense of the term. That's dedicated
| hosting that MS does for it's specific newsgroups. In general, however,
| there is no "host" for the Usenet.
| --
| I love defenseless animals, especially in a good gravy
 
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Andrew DeFaria

David said:
There is always a source server.
Not really. For example, tell me the name of the source server for
alt.comp.software.financial.quicken. You won't be able to because there
isn't any. Articles originate from many servers and get populated
around. The group is not sourced anywhere rather it's existence is
distributed - so there is no home or source server.
Someone has to host the original data
Define "original data". You mean the first posting? Or the add group
command that initially created the group on some news server. Even if
you managed to locate that how is that relevant? I would not consider it
a source server.
but it is replicated throughout UseNet. Each administrator of each
NNTP server can decide what News Groups to carry how long the data
will reside on the server before being purged.
Yes that's it's distributed nature.
It is UseNet in the "true" sense, it's just a case of not everyone
understanding the UseNet "blackbox".
No not everybody does. And I don't claim to be an expert either. But I
don't think there is any machine that you could call the "source server"
for the vast majority of the newsgroups out there.
 
M

Mike B

David H. Lipman said:
It depends. Take Microsoft News Groups for example.
msnews.microsoft.com is the source NNTP server for all UseNet so the
bucks starts there.
Like hell it is. Microsoft hosts the hierarchy microsoft.*, but not the
other news hierarchies. This is one area where MS is not the kingpin.

Mike B
 
G

Gregg

Like hell it is. Microsoft hosts the hierarchy microsoft.*, but not the
other news hierarchies. This is one area where MS is not the kingpin.
I think that's what he meant (that it is the source for the ms news groups
for all Usenet), but even that is not true anyway. MS just happens to host
the microsoft.* newsgroups on their own server, but other than being openly
accessible, that server is no different from any other ISP news server that
hosts those same groups.

Gregg
 
B

Brad

You can set outlook express to save messages for more days. Change the
options.
 
P

pb

Brad said:
You can set outlook express to save messages for more days. Change the
options.
Other newsreaders also allow you to save selected messages
permanently.

p.
 
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John Pollard

pb said:
Usenet has no central hub, but you can search archives at google
under "groups". And you can get a newsreader that saves
messages,
such as Agent.

p.
Outlook Express will save posts as long as you want them;
generally it is the newserver that deletes the posts.
 

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