word of warning to the average entry-level accountant/accounting student


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Zarlot531

The accounting world can be okay or it can be absolute hell. This
will largely depend not on the accounting job itself (industry,
sector, public, A/R, A/P, etc.) but rather on factors that are largely
outside of your control. In many organizations, in order to insure
success, you, the entry-level candidate might have to be extra
aggressive in figuring out what the hell is going on -- something
you're not used to being. After all, you're an accountant not a
salesman, although those in public accounting will need to be both
eventually. But, basically, what I'm telling you is that the people
at your organization (including the people outside of the accounting/
finance department) and how they run things will depend on whether
your job is hell or if it's okay.

So, to repeat, in many organizations, in order to insure your own
success, you, the entry-level candidate will have to be incredibly
aggressive in figuring out what the hell is going on. People simply
won't have time to show you or tell you things in depth. SOme things
can only be learned from years on the job -- sometimes hellish
years.

It is odd to me that many organization aren't more aggressive with
their junior-level accountants. When I train people at my job, I'm
the one who's aggressive with them, as I don't expect entry-level
people really to be aggressive as they often don't know what they're
doing to begin with without someone first mentoring them a little.


The point of my story is you should try your best to figure out
whether the people you're going to be workign with have time and/or
are willing to mentor you. Otherwise, your job could be hell.
 
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myaccountingtutor01

The accounting world can be okay or it can be absolute hell. This
will largely depend not on the accounting job itself (industry,
sector, public, A/R, A/P, etc.) but rather on factors that are largely
outside of your control. In many organizations, in order to insure
success, you, the entry-level candidate might have to be extra
aggressive in figuring out what the hell is going on -- something
you're not used to being. After all, you're an accountant not a
salesman, although those in public accounting will need to be both
eventually. But, basically, what I'm telling you is that the people
at your organization (including the people outside of the accounting/
finance department) and how they run things will depend on whether
your job is hell or if it's okay.

So, to repeat, in many organizations, in order to insure your own
success, you, the entry-level candidate will have to be incredibly
aggressive in figuring out what the hell is going on. People simply
won't have time to show you or tell you things in depth. SOme things
can only be learned from years on the job -- sometimes hellish
years.

It is odd to me that many organization aren't more aggressive with
their junior-level accountants. When I train people at my job, I'm
the one who's aggressive with them, as I don't expect entry-level
people really to be aggressive as they often don't know what they're
doing to begin with without someone first mentoring them a little.

The point of my story is you should try your best to figure out
whether the people you're going to be workign with have time and/or
are willing to mentor you. Otherwise, your job could be hell.
I know exactly what you mean. Here's a reality from my days in
college. If you are a 3.5 GPA student and you want to go into a Big 4
firm or another big company, they will expect you to hit the ground
running. They will not hold your hand and try to boost your self
confidence. When I worked for the Auditor General's office in my
state, the CPAs were way too spaced out to really teach you anything.
I guess audit programs were on their minds. Anyway, it is stressful
and frustrating. The reality of it is, what you learn from the
textbooks is not much the same when you get out in the real world.
Some colleges prepare you for the real world but some don't,
preferring for you to intern and stuff.


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Angrie.woman

I know exactly what you mean. Here's a reality from my days in
college. If you are a 3.5 GPA student and you want to go into a Big 4
firm or another big company, they will expect you to hit the ground
running. They will not hold your hand and try to boost your self
confidence. When I worked for the Auditor General's office in my
state, the CPAs were way too spaced out to really teach you anything.
I guess audit programs were on their minds. Anyway, it is stressful
and frustrating. The reality of it is, what you learn from the
textbooks is not much the same when you get out in the real world.
Some colleges prepare you for the real world but some don't,
preferring for you to intern and stuff.


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Even if you're not signing on with the Big 4, if you don't have enough
common sense to figure wout what's going on then perhas Accounting isn't
for you.
 
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Paul Thomas, CPA

The reality of it is, what you learn from the textbooks is
not much the same when you get out in the real world.



That's true for most all professions and trades.
 
R

RustyDion

Don't get into accounting unless you have impeccable social skills and
sales skills. You have to convince your employers why they should hire
you and if they detect any weakness in you they will probably tell you
to take a hike. Accounting is perceived by most employers as useless
overhead in their organization-- and you have to convince them that
you can make positive impact. (such as saving them lots of money). If
you are not a social butterfly, you should probably stay away from
accounting lest you get stuck in accounts payable for the rest of your
life.
 
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myaccountingtutor01

Don't get into accounting unless you have impeccable social skills and
sales skills. You have to convince your employers why they should hire
you and if they detect any weakness in you they will probably tell you
to take a hike. Accounting is perceived by most employers as useless
overhead in their organization-- and you have to convince them that
you can make positive impact. (such as saving them lots of money). If
you are not a social butterfly, you should probably stay away from
accounting lest you get stuck in accounts payable for the rest of your
life.
In the accounting departments I worked in, it was almost a necessity
to have an Accounting department. Maybe, it's the smaller positions
that seem useless such as an A/P Clerk or something like that. The way
I figure it, the Staff Accountants should be able to handle quite a
bit of stuff instead of having an AP/AR staff. I guess it depends on
the size of the company.

As far as being a social butterfly, I have known people to be oftly
quiet individuals and working in Accounting. I know employers talk
about personality alot and about how much experience you have. If you
are not straight out of college with a high GPA or have alot of
professional experience, then you may as well hang up being an
accountant. The college I went to always drew these pictures of high
paying accounting jobs and abundant positions. Well, when I got out in
the real world, it was like I had been looking through rose-colored
glasses. If you are not preparing for the CPA exam, then you probably
won't move very far up the ladder.



www.myaccountingtutor.net
 
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Paul Thomas, CPA

In the accounting departments I worked in, it was almost a necessity
to have an Accounting department. Maybe, it's the smaller positions
that seem useless such as an A/P Clerk or something like that. The way
I figure it, the Staff Accountants should be able to handle quite a
bit of stuff instead of having an AP/AR staff. I guess it depends on
the size of the company.


The smaller the business you work for, the more varied the tasks you'll be
expected to do both up and down the prestige level of "job titles".



As far as being a social butterfly, I have known people to be oftly
quiet individuals and working in Accounting. I know employers talk
about personality alot and about how much experience you have. If you
are not straight out of college with a high GPA or have alot of
professional experience, then you may as well hang up being an
accountant. The college I went to always drew these pictures of high
paying accounting jobs and abundant positions. Well, when I got out in
the real world, it was like I had been looking through rose-colored
glasses. If you are not preparing for the CPA exam, then you probably
won't move very far up the ladder.




Those big paying jobs are not for accountants just out of the box. You have
to learn and do quite a lot to gain the experience and have the proven
abilities to perform and be worth those higher paying jobs.

Liken it to being out in the wilderness. You want to get to the top of the
mountain and clearly there's not aninterstate road leading the way. It's up
to you to pick and choose your way according to what you have in front of
you now. If you don't like the path you're taking - change it. If the way
you're heading leads to a dead-end, it may mean you have to back-track and
try another route. Through your own experiences, and observations of
others, you can - through great effort and time - get to your goal.
 
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Rocinante

The accounting world can be okay or it can be absolute hell. This
will largely depend not on the accounting job itself (industry,
sector, public, A/R, A/P, etc.) but rather on factors that are largely
outside of your control. In many organizations, in order to insure
success, you, the entry-level candidate might have to be extra
aggressive in figuring out what the hell is going on -- something
you're not used to being. After all, you're an accountant not a
salesman, although those in public accounting will need to be both
eventually. But, basically, what I'm telling you is that the people
at your organization (including the people outside of the accounting/
finance department) and how they run things will depend on whether
your job is hell or if it's okay.

So, to repeat, in many organizations, in order to insure your own
success, you, the entry-level candidate will have to be incredibly
aggressive in figuring out what the hell is going on. People simply
won't have time to show you or tell you things in depth. SOme things
can only be learned from years on the job -- sometimes hellish
years.

It is odd to me that many organization aren't more aggressive with
their junior-level accountants. When I train people at my job, I'm
the one who's aggressive with them, as I don't expect entry-level
people really to be aggressive as they often don't know what they're
doing to begin with without someone first mentoring them a little.


The point of my story is you should try your best to figure out
whether the people you're going to be workign with have time and/or
are willing to mentor you. Otherwise, your job could be hell.
I agree, and this is true with most jobs out there: one of your co-workers
will be ordered to train you. They barely have time to complete their own
work and now they have to spend a good portion of the first day with you.
Thus, they cannot give you a thorough training. However, it is the
responsibility of the new employee to ask questions during the first weeks
rather than complain about the lack of training. Unfortunately, the further
pussification of America prevents these recent grads from being ready for
the real world; if it's not in the "book" they won't understand it. Forget
about asking them to think out of the box.
 
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myaccountingtutor01

I agree, and this is true with most jobs out there: one of your co-workers
will be ordered to train you. They barely have time to complete their own
work and now they have to spend a good portion of the first day with you.
Thus, they cannot give you a thorough training. However, it is the
responsibility of the new employee to ask questions during the first weeks
rather than complain about the lack of training. Unfortunately, the further
pussification of America prevents these recent grads from being ready for
the real world; if it's not in the "book" they won't understand it. Forget
about asking them to think out of the box.

--
To err is human, to forgive is not Company Policy.

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I agree with this. I believe the only class I took in college that
sort of forced you to think outside the box was Management Accounting.
Maybe it was my professor who pushed it but other than that, that was
the only class. All the other classes didn't force us to deviate from
the book too much. So, by the time I got out in the real world, I was
like, "Huh, why didn't I know about this?" Colleges should give
semester-long projects that allows the student to have a mock company
and work the financials from beginning to end. Better yet, it should
be a two-year project that builds on the textbook material. I guess it
would almost make it a thesis/dissertation project. That way the
student may not be totally clueless when it comes to the hands-on
experience in the real world.



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