Wyden's Flat Tax


N

no surrender

Baxter said:
-
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------


Actually, they find it almost impossible to take advantage of me -
particularly since I'm self-employed and work off-site on a contract or
semi-contract basis.
*****
So, you're smart enough to make your own way in the world...but others
aren't? Considering your posts, that smacks a bit of arrogance, don't it!

Dennis

Dennis
 
Ad

Advertisements

N

no surrender

Baxter said:
-
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------



How come it took you so long to figure that out?
*****
Well,. considering I have been a very successful entrepreneur for many
years, not long at all. How's 'bout you?

Dennis
 
O

Ockham's Razor

d2e2 said:
It is no wonder so many making more than 97,500 a year want
a flat tax.

If social security tax is recognized to be a flat tax. I
would think that selling the flat tax would be a cinch if we
just raised the minimum wage to 97,500 a year, don't you?
No, there would be just that many more people against it.
 
L

Lobby Dosser

no surrender said:
****
If you can't grasp even the elements, how you ever gonna understand
the nuances?
Are you currently living in a third world country?
 
L

Lobby Dosser

no surrender said:
Yeah, but there just ain't no market for BS unless you're undervaluing
yourself all the time, and ineed it for a crutch..
That is Obvious. You need some sort of crutch.
 
S

Steven

Are you currently living in a third world country?
??? I doubt the spammer with the cheap Marlboros supposedly is either,
but his Jabberwocky after is getting to be fairly interesting!
 
L

Lobby Dosser

Steven said:
??? I doubt the spammer with the cheap Marlboros supposedly is either,
but his Jabberwocky after is getting to be fairly interesting!
But stupid.
 
B

Baxter

-
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

no surrender said:
*****
So, you're smart enough to make your own way in the world...but others
aren't? Considering your posts, that smacks a bit of arrogance, don't it!
Now you're your putting words into my mouth. Why is that?
 
N

no surrender

Baxter said:
-
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------
Free Software - Baxter Codeworks www.baxcode.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------


Now you're your putting words into my mouth. Why is that?
********
Nope, asked a question; didn't make a statement attributed to you. Try
harder.

Dennis
 
F

forbisgaryg

Not one word about his members raising their productivity passed his lips.
As far as he was concerned, his members had to do nothing to jusity their
increase in wages and benefits. All of the giving had to fall on the owner's
who of course passed all of their increased costs on to general public.
You need to learn some economics. The price is set by what the market
will bear. If the owners could get more for their goods they would.
This is quite independent of the expense of producing the goods.

Here's what happens:

1. The decision to do speculative production is based upon
the expected return on investment and considered choices.

2. When wages go up the expected ROI goes down.

The interplay of these two shift production towards other
options where the ROI is better and this lower production
moves the market price of the goods higher.

Any owner of a manufacturing plant who isn't maximizing
profits isn't maximizing profits but is leaving money on
the table. Why not let the employees have it?

The market for labor isn't directly related to productivity
but upon the ROI of the consumers of labor and their choices.
There's something strange about a maket where the supply can
be doubled but the market doesn't move.
 
R

Randal L. Schwartz

Paul> It may be your opinion, but it is not based on fact. Anyone who earns
Paul> their income via wages, salary, commission, fees, retainers etc., no
Paul> matter how much pay the same rate up to a maximum amount.

And then...

Paul> And if you had not noticed, SS tax is a flat tax.

I'm a lunkhead here, or you're being dishonest. How can you say
it's a "flat tax" when it's "x% on 0..$90K, but 0% on $90K++",
or wherever the cutoff is?

That's not a flat tax.

That's a graduated tax, with two steps. Sure, that's better than
10 steps or 20 steps. But it's got *two* steps, not one.

It's a flat tax if it has *one* step.

--
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

--
 
P

Paul Maffia

I tend not to suffer fools easily and put up with them only when they are
entertaining. Simply put the term "flat tax" refers to the rate of taxation.
A tax can be flat, ie. a single rate applying to whatever is taxed or
progressive where the rate changes based on the amount of what is taxed.

The fact that SS taxes apply only up to a specified amount means that is all
that is taxed. And since only a single rate applies, it is by definition a
flat tax.
Sales taxes are usually flat taxes, and yet not all sales are taxed, so by
your argument, you would claim they are not flat taxes. Yet they are.
For you to argue anything else, to use your own words, you are either "... a
lunkhead ..., or you're being dishonest."

Now if you want to argue that if something is to be taxed it should all be
taxed, fine, that is your argument but has nothing to do with whether or not
the rate applied is "flat" (single rate) or multiple rates based on some
criteria.

Or to try to make it simple, "flat rate" as a applied to income taxes refers
to a single rate as opposed to multiple rates or progressive taxes.

And by the way, again using your own argument, all "flat tax" income tax
schemes proposed over the last 10 years, exempts a substantial amount of
income before it applies. So according to you, they are not flat tax schemes
but two step ones, zero rate or whatever the rate picked somewhere in the
range of 25% to 30% just to cover income taxes.
 
R

Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen

The kindly Rev. overheard (e-mail address removed) (Randal L. Schwartz)
saying on Mon 06 Aug 2007 02:58:55p:
Paul> And if you had not noticed, SS tax is a flat tax.

I'm a lunkhead here, or you're being dishonest. How can you say
it's a "flat tax" when it's "x% on 0..$90K, but 0% on $90K++",
or wherever the cutoff is?
Paul is pointing out that so-called "flat" taxes are regressive and
will be set up to fall disproportionately on the poor and middle
class, just like FICA.
--
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
revbob at crispen dot org
Ex Cathedra weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/

The best in us does not require the worst in us. Our love of other
human beings does not need to be nurtured by delusion. And yet we are
hearing continuously from every corner of our culture that delusion
is all we have, delusion deserves our respect, delusion is holy. It’s
not true. - Sam Harris, Beyond Belief 2006
 
S

Steven

But stupid.
True, but it's computer generated, so the angle of improvements in
percieved syntax over earlier examples indicates a change in the
program structure.

Not to be so nerdy, but Original Jabberwocky (those initials again)
used disjointed syntax that mixed words that weren't logical but made
some rhythmic flow synchronistically, picked from a list for a form.
This was the most random version.

The next step was Middle Eastern (MEJ) with names shifting from
Katelyn etc to Abdullah or Ibrahim etc. There was an improvement, if
hard to see, in the structure and the sentence length increased to
support longer forms.

This almost sounds like English, which is odd. I can mimic Jabberwocky
if I think about it some but it's not a human thought pattern so it's
not hard. Maybe the Marlboro spammer was trying to do that by
themselves.

Since there are a lot of illegalities and tax problems involved with
all this, there's probably a bunch of terrorists or other Nigerianiks
involved.
 
S

Steven

Why wouldn't it be relevant?
What will the world be like when the population
is 9 or 10 billion?
.
.
--
It will contain my deceased remains in a cemetary.
 
Ad

Advertisements

S

Steven

You need to learn some economics. The price is set by what the market
will bear. If the owners could get more for their goods they would.
This is quite independent of the expense of producing the goods.

Here's what happens:

1. The decision to do speculative production is based upon
the expected return on investment and considered choices.

2. When wages go up the expected ROI goes down.

The interplay of these two shift production towards other
options where the ROI is better and this lower production
moves the market price of the goods higher.

Any owner of a manufacturing plant who isn't maximizing
profits isn't maximizing profits but is leaving money on
the table. Why not let the employees have it?

The market for labor isn't directly related to productivity
but upon the ROI of the consumers of labor and their choices.
There's something strange about a maket where the supply can
be doubled but the market doesn't move.
I leave this to overnight telecourses on public television.
 

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments. After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.

Ask a Question

Similar Threads

Flat tax 2
Flat tax 0
Unoccupied flat, council tax 2
Flat rate pricing and flat rate taxing in QuickBooks... 12
Frehold flat 3
flat access 5
Claim tax relief on use of flat 6
capital gains tax on flat in Romania 12

Top